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[GamerSoul]

To name a few?

Impa

She's been in HOW MANY LoZ games as the same role of "Zelda's Protector" in some way? And now that we have an actual game the throws her upfront and shows us what she can do I see no reason for her to be excluded.

Rosalina

I wouldn't pick her had Nintendo not made a decision to bring her into the Mario Gang fold by placing her in these side games. Seems like she's more of a Super Mario Galaxy staple and rep given her importance in these games and something tells me that they're not gonna let up on the Galaxy games when WU comes out. As of now she's the newest character to enter the Mario cast.


Captain Syrup

Wario's long time rival and villain in the Wario Land series. Pirate Captain who's as sneaky and greedy as Wario? Sounds great to me. But if they want to give Wario a character from the WarioWare series then they have even more options like Monaand Ashley or Kat-Ana (who actually made it into Brawl as AT). I certainly wouldn't complain if Wario got a 2nd character.
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^That's a pretty good realistic list of characters that have a chance, imo. Lyn might be maybe there but right now Palutena and Medusa are the top probable choices. I keep forgetting about Impa on my wishlist now lol. I think by now we can start to have a decent idea of what Sakurai might be looking for character-wise IF we don't consider how random he can be.

This.

Dixie Kong is definitely the most noteworthy female character not yet playable in Smash Bros. by far.

I wouldnt mind Dixie but I don't see her importance, but then again the same could be said about any of my picks. lol

 

[Snakey]

Dixie Kong was one of the protagonists in two out of three games to the DKC trilogy (which pretty much were the among the highest selling games for the Super Nintendo, as well as among the highest acclaimed). She was also one of the main two playable characters in Donkey Kong Land 2 and Donkey Kong Land 3. She also appeared as a playable character in Diddy Kong Racing DS, Donkey Konga 2, Donkey Konga 3, DK: King of Swing, and Donkey Kong: Jungle Climber. She even managed to become a playable character in several of the Mario spinoffs (Mario Hoops 3-on-3, Mario Superstar Baseball, and Mario Super Sluggers).

Compare that resume to any other female Nintendo character not already in Smash Bros.

Let's look at other female characters people suggest:

Lip: One-shot (or perhaps two-shot considering Furil is basically Lip in everything but name) Japan-only character. NOA went so far out of their way to get rid of Lip that an unlockable Lip theme for Panel de Pon DS/Planet Puzzle League was removed when it was released in North America.

Jill: The protagonist of her entire game, actually did have her game released outside Japan. However, Drill Dozer is very obscure as far as game releases go.

Lyn: One-shot Fire Emblem character that has no storyline significance outside of the game's tutorial mode. Eliwood and Hector were basically the real heroes of FE7.

Micaiah: One-shot Fire Emblem character that gets upstaged by Ike about 1/3 into her game (though not to the extent that Lyn get overshadowed in FE7).

Eirika: One-shot Fire Emblem character that shares her game with her more popular twin brother who is also a lord. Does not help that this game is the least popular of the GBA Fire Emblem trilogy.

Krystal: Showed up when the Star Fox series started going downhill. Hated by a large portion of the Star Fox fanbase, and is often seen as a character manifestation of the series's decline. The idea of fox-lady in a loin-cloth bikini or skin-tight catsuit is disturbing to most people. Does not help that many feel that Star Fox has too many characters as it stands right now (and that all of the Star Fox characters already in are far more popular than her, and been in the series far longer).

Captain Syrup: Was the antagonist of Wario Land and Wario Land 2. However, in both of these games she was unable to fight without the help of a genie (Wario Land) and giant machine (Wario Land 2). Basically disappeared from the series altogether for a decade, until she reappeared in Wario Land Shake It.... as a shopkeeper.

Female WarioWare characters (Mona, Ashley, Kat & Ana): Mona might actually be one of two characters that they would select if they decided to give Wario a second character for the sake of having a second character (the other would be Jimmy T.) Ashley's appeal is mostly due to being a goth lollita. Kat & Ana actually do have combat potential, but they are vastly overshadowed by the likes of Takamaru and Samurai Goroh for a possible katana user.

Impa: Has a long history with the Zelda series, but in her most of her appearances she is either an elderly lady or morbidly obese. She was a lithe, physically fit young woman in Ocarina of Time and Skyward Sword though. People who suggest her in say that she should replace Sheik. The big problem with this is that the Smash Bros. fanbase is VEHEMENTLY AGAINST this idea, and Sakurai himself tends to be conservative and traditional.

Rosalina: Was a major character in Super Mario Galaxy. However, she was basically relegated to cameo status in Super Mario Galaxy 2. She appeared as a playable racer in Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart 7, however, Toad, Waluigi, and Daisy have a far more extensive history in the spinoffs than she does. Does not help that she was never shown to have a fighting nature in the Super Mario Galaxy games (instead shown to be motherly).

Daisy: Was the kidnapped princess of Super Mario Land. Basically disappeared until the release of Mario Tennis in 2000. It was from her she became one of the three most common characters in the Mario spinoffs not yet playable in Smash Bros. (the other two being Toad and Waluigi). She falls into the same problem as Waluigi (as being a character that is only associated with the Mario spinoffs), though its worse in her circumstance considering that she is so similar to Peach that she has been a pallette-swap for Peach in both Melee and Brawl.

When Kid Icarus Uprising comes out, I will give my two-cents on Palutena and Medusa. However, as it currently stands, Dixie Kong by far has the strongest resume of any female character that is not yet in Smash Bros. Her only existing problem is competing with K. Rool, but even then, why can't Sakurai just allow for two DK newcomers especially considering the Donkey Kong series is the biggest Nintendo series outside of Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Needs more Captain Rainbow.

 

[Codeblue]

I'm hoping Jill wins the "character from a game time forgot" pick.

Also. I think Micaiah would be a neat addition. I didn't really like her but I think it'd be cool to have a magic type character that isn't Zelda. She has pretty much no shot though, since Ike would overshadow her again if Tellius gets a representative.

 

[Snakey]

Needs more Captain Rainbow.

Captain Rainbow bombed horribly in Japan. Considering that obscurity and Japan-only status was grounds for why Sakurai did not add Lip, I am thinking at best Rainbow will be an Assist Trophy.

Also, in regards to Micaiah, it does not help that Ike already represents the Tellius games (FE9/FE10) and that Tellius Fire Emblem games were the worst selling ones in Japan.

 

[MAtgS]

What? No mention of Sami from Advance Wars? I'm disappointed.

Captain Rainbow bombed horribly in Japan. Considering that obscurity and Japan-only status was grounds for why Sakurai did not add Lip, I am thinking at best Rainbow will be an Assist Trophy.

Good, I don't want him hogging Captain N's spot.

 

[Snakey]

What? No mention of Sami from Advance Wars? I'm disappointed.

If there were ever to be a playable character for Advance Wars it would either be Andy or Will/Ed. Sami was basically a secondary protagonist in the games she appeared in. Though the worst is that I am not expecting a Famicom/Advance Wars character to ever be added as a playable character.

 

[spanks]

Aren't we forgetting somebody?

Most recurring character (along with Andy & Max) in one of Nintendo's longest running series? Yep.

Edit: whoops, that's what I get for not reloading the page

Dude, she has a gun. No way.

Snake clone!

 

[GamerSoul]

Dude, she has a gun. No way.

Dixie Kong was one of the protagonists in two out of three games to the DKC trilogy (which pretty much were the among the highest selling games for the Super Nintendo, as well as among the highest acclaimed). She was also one of the main two playable characters in Donkey Kong Land 2 and Donkey Kong Land 3. She also appeared as a playable character in Diddy Kong Racing DS, Donkey Konga 2, Donkey Konga 3, DK: King of Swing, and Donkey Kong: Jungle Climber. She even managed to become a playable character in several of the Mario spinoffs (Mario Hoops 3-on-3, Mario Superstar Baseball, and Mario Super Sluggers).

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You make a good argument for Dixie but I'm just indifferent about her. And I don't really see DK series getting 4 slots unless we're really getting a 48+ roster. If they get a new character it's up in the air between her and K.Rool.

Its also possible that we might a few characters who don't have the best credentials so who knows. They might be the better additions too. Sami looks like she could be cool to play as.

 

[Snakey]

Dude, she has a gun. No way.

Yeah that is another strike that Sami has against her. The presence of realistic guns is enough to make a game jump up an entire rating in Japan (see Marvel vs. Capcom 3).

I still think that Dixie Kong, Palutena, and Medusa are the best bets for female newcomers. Though I am not entirely sure on Palutena and Medusa, and won't be until the release of Uprising.

 

[Emitan]

I'm totally on Team Sami, for the record.

 

[Snakey]

So no one has anything to say about my write-up for female Nintendo characters at the top of this page.

In addition to the release of Kid Icarus Uprising, the OVAs will also give us much more clarity about Palutena and Medusa.

 

[GamerSoul]

Snake clone!

I was actually think of that as a possibility lol. She looks like a character that would "fit" as a Snake clone but dem odds man. AGain she looks like she would be a good character.

Alright Snakey, ill take a shot at it because you have good logical explanations.

Dixie Kong was one of the protagonists in two out of three games to the DKC trilogy (which pretty much were the among the highest selling games for the Super Nintendo, as well as among the highest acclaimed). She was also one of the main two playable characters in Donkey Kong Land 2 and Donkey Kong Land 3. She also appeared as a playable character in Diddy Kong Racing DS, Donkey Konga 2, Donkey Konga 3, DK: King of Swing, and Donkey Kong: Jungle Climber. She even managed to become a playable character in several of the Mario spinoffs (Mario Hoops 3-on-3, Mario Superstar Baseball, and Mario Super Sluggers).

Compare that resume to any other female Nintendo character not already in Smash Bros.

Again you made some good points and she seems definitely qualified. She could be good if they make her unique enough but I'm indifferent, but I understand her importance now.

Let's look at other female characters people suggest:

Lip: One-shot (or perhaps two-shot considering Furil is basically Lip in everything but name) Japan-only character. NOA went so far out of their way to get rid of Lip that an unlockable Lip theme for Panel de Pon DS/Planet Puzzle League was removed when it was released in North America.

Jill: The protagonist of her entire game, actually did have her game released outside Japan. However, Drill Dozer is very obscure as far as game releases go.

Lyn: One-shot Fire Emblem character that has no storyline significance outside of the game's tutorial mode. Eliwood and Hector were basically the real heroes of FE7.

Micaiah: One-shot Fire Emblem character that gets upstaged by Ike about 1/3 into her game (though not to the extent that Lyn get overshadowed in FE7).

Eirika: One-shot Fire Emblem character that shares her game with her more popular twin brother who is also a lord. Does not help that this game is the least popular of the GBA Fire Emblem trilogy.

Eirika/Micaiah, imo, have no chance although there's nothing wrong with being a one shot character but it doesn't help their case.

Jill/Lip have that chance to be a few of those obscure characters that get a new beginning and redesign in Smash. They have a better chance than Eirika and Micaiah since they have been in previous games in some shape or form(Jill was an AT and Lip had that one weapon.) but their chances are slim but at least theres a chance.

Lyn has a slight chance because of her signifance of being the first main character we see in FE7, the first FE game that was released stateside and europe (probably because of Marth and Roy), although like you said the other two lords play a bigger role but that doesn't mean she is not a distinct unit, especially for a lord. Just like Ike. She is also an AT in Brawl and can be a clone of Takamaru, a character that has a better chance than her being in.

Im falling asleep. Thats all I got for now. lol.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Captain Rainbow bombed horribly in Japan. Considering that obscurity and Japan-only status was grounds for why Sakurai did not add Lip, I am thinking at best Rainbow will be an Assist Trophy.

Which is really sad.

Good, I don't want him hogging Captain N's spot.

Thank goodness I have no fond memories of Captain N

 

[Diddy Kong]

The only females I'd care to see are Dixie, Krystal, Palutena & Medusa. Maybe Syrup too.

 

[Galang]

I'd love to see Dixie, Impa, Medusa, Syrup, Sami, any female from Fire Emblem/Golden Sun, and at least a female Pokemon trainer alt. Wouldn't even mind Krystal..

There are not enough females or villains in smash at all, hope the next game changes that.

 

[Snakey]

The problem is that all of the female characters not yet in Smash Bros. (with the exception of Dixie Kong) are either side characters or obscure.

Keep in mind that Sakurai acknowledged that lack of female characters in Smash Bros., and to him simply adding Zero Suit Samus was enough female newcomers for Brawl (of which had the most newcomers of any Smash Bros. game, 18/17).

 

[Boss Doggie]

Does Nintendo even own Captain N fully or is it co-owned by DIC?

 

[AceBandage]

Does Nintendo even own Captain N fully or is it co-owned by DIC?

It's probably overly complicated.
I mean, he uses Nintendo items and stuff all the time, but Captain N himself was probably not their creation.

 

[Rösti]

It's probably overly complicated.
I mean, he uses Nintendo items and stuff all the time, but Captain N himself was probably not their creation.

DIC Enterprises, Inc., EMI Entertainment World, Inc, Shout! Factory, LLC. and
Vivendi Entertainment, to name a few parties in this, all seem to share copyright on Captain N. At least that's what is says in U.S. Copyright Office's records. And as you suggest, the captain is probably not Nintendo's creation.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Captain N is completely irrelevant to anyone who isn't a North American kid growing up in the late 80s. Sorry guys, but I hope anyone who wants him in Smash isn't being serious.

(It would be kinda neat)

 

[udivision]

Captain N would just be a "use nintendo accessories" character, which might be better done by a Mii.

 

[Snakey]

Here is my proposed roster for Smash 4:

- All characters from Brawl return
- Mewtwo and Roy are brought back
- 12 newcomers (Ridley, K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Black Shadow, Palutena, Medusa, Little Mac, Takamaru, Saki, Starfy, Mii, and Mega Man). Newcomer distribution is equally divided between new series and newcomers for veteran series.
- 49 slots plus random icon (50 slots total I guess).
- 53 total playable characters (a 14 character jump over Brawl).

From Smash 64 to Melee, there was a 14 character increase, and from Melee to Brawl there was a 13 character increase. So this 14 character increase is based off of what I expect at the most.

The only change from my previous proposed roster was that I dropped Toad and placed in Dixie Kong. The reason for this was that there seems to be no consensus on who the Mario newcomer should be (meaning regardless of what Mario character I pick, a lot of people are going to be unhappy). Whereas, many people seem to be cool with the idea of both K. Rool and Dixie Kong getting in.

 

[BGBW]

Captain N would just be a "use nintendo accessories" character, which might be better done by a Mii.

9 and 18 volt?

 

[BD1]

New Characters I'd like to see:

• Bowser JR (Mario Series)
• Impa (Legend of Zelda)
• Ridley (Metroid)
• Porky Minch (Earthbound)
• Dark Lord Gaol (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
• Little Mac (Punch Out)
• Issac (Golden Sun(
• Shulk (Xenoblade)
• Dillon (Rolling Western)

But really, I really want to see some amazing new stages. The idea of giant, colorful, gorgeous HD stages that pay tribute to 25+ years of Nintendo is awesome.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Captain N would just be a "use nintendo accessories" character, which might be better done by a Mii.

I think Mii should have movesets that are inspired by Wii Sport, Wii Play and Wii Resort. I don't know what a good representation for nintendo accessories.

Only thing I can think of is Duck Hunt Dog that could use the lightgun.

 

[udivision]

9 and 18 volt?

?

Mii's could use the Zapper for a ranged attack, the balance board for a Sonic-esque Up+B, maybe the power glove for a FAir, and a Peach-esque Turnip move that instead materializes nintendo consoles and handhelds for them to throw at you.

 

[Hot Coldman]

?

WarioWare, dude. The Nintendo loving kid.

 

[IntelliHeath]

New Characters I'd like to see:

• 
  [*]Bowser JR (Mario Series)
  [*]Impa (Legend of Zelda)
  [*]Ridley (Metroid)
• Porky Minch (Earthbound)
  
  Spoiler

  Dark Lord Gaol (Kid Icarus: Uprising)
  [*]Little Mac (Punch Out)
  [*]Issac (Golden Sun(
  [*]Shulk (Xenoblade)
• Dillon (Rolling Western)

But really, I really want to see some amazing new stages. The idea of giant, colorful, gorgeous HD stages that pay tribute to 25+ years of Nintendo is awesome.

Dude, please use spoiler tag on Kid Icarus Uprising. The game isn't out yet and you already spoiled me. I never saw him in any two or three hype trailers so I assume that it is spoiler boss.

Also I bold the characters list that I expressed the interests to see characters to be in. I really hope that Sakurai would outshine brawl's characters selection.

 

[SkyOdin]

Let's look at other female characters people suggest:

Lyn: One-shot Fire Emblem character that has no storyline significance outside of the game's tutorial mode. Eliwood and Hector were basically the real heroes of FE7.

Micaiah: One-shot Fire Emblem character that gets upstaged by Ike about 1/3 into her game (though not to the extent that Lyn get overshadowed in FE7).

Eirika: One-shot Fire Emblem character that shares her game with her more popular twin brother who is also a lord. Does not help that this game is the least popular of the GBA Fire Emblem trilogy.

While both Lyn and Micaiah have only appeared in one game each, they are representative of major recurring archetypes that have appeared in almost every Fire Emblem game. It is no secret that the Fire Emblem series leans heavily on a set of major recurring archetypes in order to build the cast of each game. For example, every Fire Emblem game has a Red Knight, Green Knight pair of two cavaliers who join early and have opposite personalities.

The reason that Ike is an interesting Lord character is because he draws upon one of the major recurring archetypes other than the classic Lord archetype: the strong mercenary, much like the original Ogma. Drawing upon that archetype is the reason that he plays so differently from Marth in Smash Bros. Adding him in also brought a slightly better reflection of the variety of characters from Fire Emblem than what two traditional Lords could bring.

Micaiah is just the most recent incarnation of the Female Light Mage archetype that has been around since Linde in the original Fire Emblem. The archetype really rose to prominence with Yuria in Genealogy of Holy War, who was so important that you can't beat the final boss without her. Arguably, the archetype also includes Lilina, daughter of Hector and secondary main character of Sword of Seals. Micaiah draws upon the history of that archetype and Yuria in particular, being a light mage whose powers are key to defeating the most powerful enemies in the game and whose identity is central to the plot.

Lyn is a good choice for Smash Bros. because she represents the opposing myrmidon style of sword-user to Ike's mercenary style. Female swordfighters are pretty common across the Fire Emblem series and often good. Lyn in particular gets credit from having what are probably the best critical hit animations in the entire series.

There are at least two other really good options for female characters for Smash Bros. from the Fire Emblem series. The first is the recurring Pegasus Knight Princess character, which started with Caeda from the original games (who is necessary for more character recruitment than Marth himself) and continues all the way through to Elincia from both Radiance games. Both Caeda and Elincia are just one step short of being full Lord characters, and both can be very useful.

The last possible character is the dragon princess Tiki, or one of the other various "royal member of a clan of people who transform into Dragons" characters, like Kurth, Nasir, and Ena from the Radiance games, or Myrrh from Sacred Stones (for the purposes of this discussion, Kurth or Nasir might not be the best pick, but in a more general sense they could work as a Fire Emblem representative, same goes for Dark Dragon Medius).

If any Nintendo property is going to produce a good candidate for more female characters for Smash Bros., it is going to be Fire Emblem. There have been far too many good female characters from just about every Fire Emblem game to reject the idea outright.

Furthermore, it is important when representing the Fire Emblem series to look past just the main characters. Most of the main characters other than Ike have been clones of Marth. Focusing just on "main characters" of the Fire Emblem series would be like replacing Zelda and Ganondorf with two more variations of Link, or replacing Luigi, Peach, and Bowser with Paper Mario, Doctor Mario, and Tanooki Mario. Smash Bros. works better when it represents the breadth of a property rather than just the absolute main characters.

And I have to add that it feels weird saying all of this in response to someone with an Emperor Alvis avatar...

 

[Snakey]

If any Nintendo property is going to produce a good candidate for more female characters for Smash Bros., it is going to be Fire Emblem. There have been far too many good female characters from just about every Fire Emblem game to reject the idea outright.

You just typed a bunch of nothing arguing for a position that is absurd. None of the female characters you are yapping about have any more worth than their male counterparts. The characters you suggest all take a backstage to other characters in their respective games. We are not going to get more than one character per Fire Emblem arc.

The only choices for a Fire Emblem newcomer are going to be Roy (one of the most wanted Smash 4 newcomers in Japan) and/or Chrome/Krom (the latest lord).

The reason you want a Fire Emblem female character so much is because you probably see them as your only option in regards to a physically attractive female newcomer.

Its for this that I look even more forward to the release of Kid Icarus Uprising, because at least these type of people will gravitate towards Palutena and Medusa, characters whom are actually important overall in their respective series of origin.

And I have to add that it feels weird saying all of this in response to someone with an Emperor Alvis avatar...

I am far more knowledgeable of the Fire Emblem series than you probably do, especially considering you are pulling stuff out of thin air to back characters that are insignicant. I have even imported the Japan-only installments for the series, instead of simply downloading ROMs illegally (which I see as insulting to the original developers).

Secondly, this avatar is of Alvis when he was simply a duke, not his emperor incarnation (of which he looks much older).

 

[Codeblue]

You don't think Sigurd has a shot?

Wasn't he Sakurai's favorite lord? I remember there being a lot of talk about his high chances when Brawl was in development.

 

[Snakey]

You don't think Sigurd has a shot?

Wasn't he Sakurai's favorite lord? I remember there being a lot of talk about his high chances when Brawl was in development.

Sigurd has basically no shot. In the official pre-Melee poll, he only got two votes (by comparison, his son Celice got four votes, while Marth pretty much demolished every other Fire Emblem character in terms of votes).

Also, Sigurd is not Sakurai's favorite Fire Emblem character. That was a myth spread by Sigurd supporters.

Sakurai's favorite Fire Emblem character is actually Nabarl, a mercenary from FE1/FE3/FE11/FE12. Sakurai is a huge fan of Fire Emblem and even did the Iwata Asks feature for Shadow Dragon (which was based off the first half of FE3, which was a remake of FE1). There is even a picture on Sakurai's twitter showing him that he owns a Virtual Console copy of FE3.

 

[BD1]

Dude, please use spoiler tag on Kid Icarus Uprising. The game isn't out yet and you already spoiled me. I never saw him in any two or three hype trailers so I assume that it is spoiler boss.
.

Sorry. He is in several trailers, they haven't been keeping him a secret. Didn't think it was considered a spoiler.

 

[SkyOdin]

Here is my proposed roster for Smash 4:

- All characters from Brawl return
- Mewtwo and Roy are brought back
- 12 newcomers (Ridley, K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Black Shadow, Palutena, Medusa, Little Mac, Takamaru, Saki, Starfy, Mii, and Mega Man). Newcomer distribution is equally divided between new series and newcomers for veteran series.
- 49 slots plus random icon (50 slots total I guess).
- 53 total playable characters (a 14 character jump over Brawl).

From Smash 64 to Melee, there was a 14 character increase, and from Melee to Brawl there was a 13 character increase. So this 14 character increase is based off of what I expect at the most.

The only change from my previous proposed roster was that I dropped Toad and placed in Dixie Kong. The reason for this was that there seems to be no consensus on who the Mario newcomer should be (meaning regardless of what Mario character I pick, a lot of people are going to be unhappy). Whereas, many people seem to be cool with the idea of both K. Rool and Dixie Kong getting in.

I see no reason to bring back Roy. He doesn't add anything that either Ike or Marth don't already cover. A third Fire Emblem slot is better served showing off the breadth of the Fire Emblem series. At the least, they could add in a villain from the series, such as Garnef, Medius, or Alvis.

I don't think Ridley is a good choice for Smash Bros. He worked just fine as a boss in Brawl, and is generally too large and monstrous to really fit in with the normal gameplay. I also don't see why Black Shadow is on the list. His addition seems like just padding out the F-Zero list. If you really want another F-Zero character, either Samurai Goroh or Pico would be better choices. Both are form the list of fours pilots in the original games, and both have better material for making original movesets: Samurai Goroh has his sword, while Pico is ex-military and an infamous hitman.

While I was a fan of Mewtwo in Melee, I think he would be better brought back in a more powerful form as a Final Smash for Pokemon Trainer. Trying to keep him balanced just doesn't suit him.

I definitely support Megaman as a character. He really should have been in Brawl and deserves a place in the next game.

I think Dixie Kong is a good choice. Heck, it would be true to Donkey Kong Country to kick Donkey Kong off the roster and replace him with Dixie. I think you are also right that Palutena and Medusa might turn out to be good picks, but I doubt that they will add both.

Next, why Saki? I agree that a Sin & Punishment character would be a great choice, but both games in the series have had both a male and female protagonist and given equal screentime to both. Saki would have been in serious trouble without Irene to pick up the slack for half of the game. Heck, Isa and Hachi would make a great pair of switching characters.

Also, I would replace Toon Link with a much more distinct Four Swords Link.

Finally, who the heck is Takamaru anyways?

 

[KevinCow]

Master Hand and Crazy Hand should tag-team with other giant floating hand bosses. Andross, Bongo Bongo, Bouldergeist, Tiki Tong, the genie from Wario Land 3, giant Donkey Kong from DK '94 and Mario vs. DK.

Nintendo really loves their giant floating hand bosses.

 

[Codeblue]

What an absolutely bizarre rumor to spread. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Don't forget Eyerok!

 

[Snakey]

I see no reason to bring back Roy. He doesn't add anything that either Ike or Marth don't already cover. A third Fire Emblem slot is better served showing off the breadth of the Fire Emblem series. At the least, they could add in a villain from the series, such as Garnef, Medius, or Alvis.

I don't think Ridley is a good choice for Smash Bros. He worked just fine as a boss in Brawl, and is generally too large and monstrous to really fit in with the normal gameplay.

While I was a fan of Mewtwo in Melee, I think he would be better brought back in a more powerful form as a Final Smash for Pokemon Trainer. Trying to keep him balanced just doesn't suit him.

Heck, it would be true to Donkey Kong Country to kick Donkey Kong off the roster and replace him with Dixie.


Also, I would replace Toon Link with a much more distinct Four Swords Link.

Finally, who the heck is Takamaru anyways?

 

[SkyOdin]

You just typed a bunch of nothing arguing for a position that is absurd. None of the female characters you are yapping about have any more worth than their male counterparts. The characters you suggest all take a backstage to other characters in their respective games. We are not going to get more than one character per Fire Emblem arc.

There is no need for the one representative from each arc to be the Lord character though. Doing so would be far less interesting gameplay wise, and not demonstrate the real breadth of the series. For example, we could have Tiki or Caeda from the original games, Yulia or Alvis from Holy War, Lyn from the Elibe games, and Ike from the Tellus games.

The only choices for a Fire Emblem newcomer are going to be Roy (one of the most wanted Smash 4 newcomers in Japan) and/or Chrome/Krom (the latest lord).

Again, only if we artificially limit ourselves to the idea that Lords are the only choices for new characters. I still say that this idea is akin to saying that Mario is the only character who qualifies from the Mario series, or saying that Zelda is too minor of a character to include.

Secondly, this avatar is of Alvis when he was simply a duke, not his emperor incarnation (of which he looks much older).

Whoops, my mistake.

 

[KevinCow]

Don't be a dick. You seem to be having trouble with that concept in this thread. This is Fun Happy Speculation Thread, not Be A Dick To People Who Are Speculating Differently From Me Thread.

 

[Snakey]

Don't be a dick. You seem to be having trouble with that concept in this thread. This is Fun Happy Speculation Thread, not Be A Dick To People Who Are Speculating Differently From Me Thread.

The problem is that idiotic ideas and false information spread like wildfire. Just see the myth of Sigurd being Sakurai's favorite Fire Emblem character or the idea that Geno is more worthy than Mario series regulars of what happens when these ideas are not dealt with at the point of their conception. I am sorry if I am have been harsh, and I will try to soften my tone in the future.

 

[KevinCow]

You can clarify rumors and share your opinions on the validity of certain characters without being a dick.

Saying something like:

You just typed a bunch of nothing arguing for a position that is absurd.

...is being a dick.

 

[Snakey]

You can clarify rumors and share your opinions on the validity of certain characters without being a dick.

Saying something like:

...is being a dick.

As I said I would use a less harsh tone. My language in that instance was inappropriate, and I will refrain from that in the future.

 

[Thores]

That'd be really appreciated, Snakey. I know you probably don't mean to do this but between you and Black-Wind I feel kind of attacked for every opinion I have in this thread, and it's why I haven't posted in a couple days. I know you're really well-versed in knowledge of Nintendo and its franchises and you do a lot of research to an extent I both respect and am impressed by, but this still only allows you to make educated guesses at best. I think it'd go a long way if you acknowledged this instead of treating all your theories as fact that you have to inform people of whenever they say anything different.

No hard feelings, just throwing in my two cents.

 

[Snakey]

That'd be really appreciated, Snakey. I know you probably don't mean to do this but between you and Black-Wind I feel kind of attacked for every opinion I have in this thread, and it's why I haven't posted in a couple days. I know you're really well-versed in knowledge of Nintendo and its franchises and you do a lot of research to an extent I both respect and am impressed by, but this still only allows you to make educated guesses at best. I think it'd go a long way if you acknowledged this instead of treating all your theories as fact that you have to inform people of whenever they say anything different.

No hard feelings, just throwing in my two cents.

I understand your concerns. I do take other people's opinions into account, and have even asked for them. For example, I originally had Toad on my roster because I believed him to be the next in line for a Mario newcomer spot, however, seeing quite a bit of objection to him, made me inquire what the people of this thread had in mind in place of Toad. I found out that there was actually no consensus for who the Mario newcomer should be, and that regardless of what Mario newcomer character I would choose for a prospective roster, there would be a large number of people agitated by the choice.

I will take you opinion into account. You are correct that I can ultimately make only an educated guess. Seeing as we are now scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of noteworthy Nintendo characters, who knows what Sakurai will do. There is also the matter of whether Sakurai might even go for a full-on reboot for the Smash series which could end up of having even characters who have been in the series since Melee to be removed. My PERSONAL hope is that he keeps most of Brawl's roster (or even keeps all of them). At this point there are very few Nintendo characters that I like to see as newcomers in Smash Bros.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I wonder if MarkMan would leak numbers of characters and stages once again?

Spoiler

I know the answer anyway but I wish he could. I don't think he can because he have a job at MadCatz now.

 

[Snakey]

I wonder if MarkMan would leak numbers of characters and stages once again?

Spoiler

I know the answer anyway but I wish he could. I don't think he can because he have a job at MadCatz now.

By the time he leaked things, Brawl was in its debug phase.

On an interesting side note, I was actually the first person to post Brawl's roster on a message board (basically I noticed similarities between the stories of various "leakers" and noticed how they all matched up, and instead made a theory of what Brawl's roster was if they were all telling the truth). It ended that the roster I put together based on what the leakers were saying (of which they were only giving away bits and pieces, thus it was sort of like putting together a puzzle) was the real deal. I did not want to believe the roster (due to the lack of Ridley, Mewtwo, and Roy), but I had a feeling in my heart it was the real deal. This happened in late December 2007.

 

[IntelliHeath]

By the time he leaked things, Brawl was in its debug phase.

On an interesting side note, I was actually the first person to post Brawl's roster on a message board (basically I noticed similarities between the stories of various "leakers" and noticed how they all matched up, and instead made a theory of what Brawl's roster was if they were all telling the truth). It ended that the roster I put together based on what the leakers were saying (of which they were only giving away bits and pieces, thus it was sort of like putting together a puzzle) was the real deal. I did not want to believe the roster (due to the lack of Ridley, Mewtwo, and Roy), but I had a feeling in my heart it was the real deal. This happened in late December 2007.

I apologized but I don't recalled you on neogaf during brawl era. I was lurker and waiting for my account to get approved.

I really hope that we get real solid rumors before we get the game. It helped us to less the pain how disappointment it was with character selection. I had high exception and it blew me up. NEVER ONCE AGAIN.

edited: I would like clarify that brawl situation helped me big time with having low exception for all future fighting games (such as MVC3, UMVC3, SFxTK, SSF4/SSF4:AE) and I plan to apply that to future games as well. I am looking at you, Smash 4.

 

[MAtgS]

Does Nintendo even own Captain N fully or is it co-owned by DIC?

Yes they do. DiC only has video rights to the show, whatever that means.

I mean, he uses Nintendo items and stuff all the time, but Captain N himself was probably not their creation.

He was created by a writer for Nintendo Power, though the writer's version differed greatly from the 1 on the show. NOA wanted some new mascot character to promote Nintendo games so yeah, he is their character.