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Flash is really shitty on everything.
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Nexus 7 |OT| Google's $199 7-inch tablet by Asus
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Flash is really shitty on everything.
Depends on the site. Some sites it runs surprisingly well. Others it will crash when going full screen, or it just lags the device. The video quality and smoothness is always fine, but that seems to effect the OS. You'll need to download the standard Android browser (or whatever other browser supports Flash) to get it to work though. Chrome doesn't support it, and Chrome has now replaced that standard phone browser on the tablet.
I understand that, but for a lot of the sites I like that use Blip, it's the only game in town.
Ugh, that sucks. Easily watching videos was a big part of why I was considering picking this up...
saltywalrus
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Yeah, they're trying to simplify the user experience and ensure good performance. Google cares more about the mass market than a few power users. Same reason why Amazon and Apple don't support external storage.
Just tried Blip.tv and the mobile site doesn't seem to just use flash. I got it working in Chrome and the standard browser without flash. It doesn't appear to have any controls though. Can't pause or go into fullscreen for example. You also have to press on the black square a bunch of times for it to actually play for some reason.
Wish flash on my phone running 4.1 it works perfectly fine if you don't go into full screen. Landscape and portrait work, but the second you press that fullscreen flash button it hangs and crashes the browser.
So yeah Flash kind of sucks, but so do websites that don't follow common fucking video standards.
lol - yeah that's the only reason.
I never actually use Blip.tv, rather sites like the Spoony Experiment that use it. How's Justin/Twitch.tv?
looks really good here. his other video comparing with siri was impressive too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDsOtdRtG0Q&feature=relmfu
LQX
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Dumb question but can you manually drag and drop videos, comics, etc. on this thing?
It was pretty good on WebOS.
It was pretty good on WebOS.
lol. fuck this shit. Memo pad can't come out soon enough.
the power of marketing is amazing, isn't it?
It's crazy, at least that means the Nexus brand means something now, haha.
It does - enjoined.
It will be interesting to see how MS's implementation performs.
mclaren777
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I prefer Flash to HTML5 on my Touchpad.
Phoenix
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I don't know about that. The operating system has gotten a lot cleaner and easier to use, and this is coming from someone that is primarily an iOS user. Wow I can't say that ICS has gotten to the point where I am ready to replace all of my iOS devices I can definitely say that it is definitely to the point where I can see it being a strong competitor for Apple and the entire iOS productline with the next revision.
I think Google finally realized that they needed actual interface designers to make their platform usable instead of just relying on stock components and developer strewn together applications.
concerning flash on mobile devices, it's simply a matter of money
google doesn't want flash on there platforms because it wants all the revenue it can get from there play store
same underlying reason is why iOS doesn't have Flash
money
no one is going to be buying content when they can get all this free flash based content on the web.
sure is flash perfect ? FUCK NO, it runs like shit on nearly every device there is but like or lump it to gain access to the entire/most of the web flash is needed.
One my biggest reasons for not picking up an ipad or any idevice
don't tell me flash is not needed when alot of sites still use it, maybe 3-4 years from now
but most definitely not NOW and not TODAYs internet.
wish I can seriously just say fuck all this non-sense and just give me a Windows 8 Pro 7" Tablet with a i5 and decent GPU, with a back panel touch for scrolling, at least I know flash will be continue to be supported on desktop OSes.
Phoenix
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I keep saying it over and over again, the Nexus devices were really intended to be used by developers. They were never really intended to be consumer devices and a lot of the design decisions they make about the things that they are removing from the platform have everything to do with this fact.
Yes they are great devices, but they will never be as complete as their branded brethren from regular manufacturers.
Sure, but that happened during the HC/ICS transition. The tweaks in JB are nice, but alot of them have been in GB and ICS devices from manufacturers for ages.
I haven't tried it yet, but I can't imagine "butter" makes that much of a difference, because we heard the exact same thing from ICS about how smooth it is compared to HC/ICS.
Maybe I'm just too entrenched in android stuff to notice the drastic change.
-Pyromaniac-
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I'm blown away when I read stuff like this. What sites do you visit regularly, out of curiosity? I think I'm the kind of person that visits a variety of websites, and I don't think I've ever missed any flash content on my ipad or iphone or anything. Most sites convert that shit.
I'm perfectly comfortable with the 8gb as a consumer because I only plan to use it as a web browser/reader 80% of the time. Any time I watch a video it will be streaming or I'll watch and delete. It's all goooodz for people like that.
It's also terribly inneficient when it comes to power consumption. As far as I know adobe never got hardware decoding working. Maybe I am wrong.
What sites? Almost all decent sites are transitioning to HTML5
I assume flash is really going to kill the battery on that thing.
Phoenix
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It's not simply a matter of money. Adobe was building this platform on their own dime for most of the recent history. The problem with flash is that it is non performant garbage. That is the reason why Apple didn't want it, that is the reason why Google doesn't want it, and that is the reason why nobody except for R I M has ever been able to consider making it a part of their platform and we see how well it worked out for the BlackBerry platform.
Phoenix
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I certainly wouldn't say that jellybean itself is where all of the improvements are. ICS is the biggest improvement to the operating system in quite some time and it is a substantial improvement over 2.3 and 3.x.That is why I have been saying that with ICS Apple really needs to be on their toes because Google is in the optimal position to be able to compete with the iOS platform. Whereas Apple gets one chance to really impress the market in a years time, there are so many Google android OEMs in the marketplace that they have more swings at-bat and more opportunities to capture consumer attention.
Sadly even many of the tech sites don't bother.
Is that the case with current GPU-accelerated versions?
-Pyromaniac-
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not gonna lie...on the tech front I basically only visit the verge. It has rendered everything else useless for me. Sometimes I hit up engadget. All good on that front. Which don't convert?
Definitely agree with most of that, but I was expecting all the things being said now about JB to have been said during ICS. I don't believe that the performance on the Xoom/TF series is different enough to not warrant the same reviews saying wholly different things about the same UI.
Although, now that I think about it, most of the reviews are people just flinging the homescreens back and forth. =/
On WP7, Engadget's video doesn't show up and the Verge is trying to push the Flash version (lists the usual you need Adobe Flash to watch it)
It's the butter.
Phoenix
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The only *sigh* passably good devices in the market where I think Google will compete strongly were the Samsung Tab 2 (the small one) and the Kindle Fire. These devices sold a fair amount of units, but the Fire wasn't an ICS device and the Tab 2 might as well have not shipped for the market attention it received. Thus there was no real device in the tablet space for people to rally around except for the Transformers which still spend a lot of their time freezing and mysteriously rebooting.
What has happened with the Nexus 7 with JB is not that there is a revolutionary way to Android, its that this is the "fixed function" device that people really wanted from the Fire. It is open to everything, its interface doesn't suck, and for the most part its future proof (for the Kindle Fire audience). Google will be able to sell all that they make, but sadly it will be for all the wrong reasons and it will have the result of causing the market to "fill up on bread". Sending the Nexus7 to retail is a strategy fraught with peril. People REALLY need to wait for a more consumer grade device with an SD slot, IR out, HDMI out, etc.
The Nexus 7 from GameStop comes with $25 Google Play credit and Transformers
ark of the Moon preloaded. No mention of books or magazines on the in-store signage.The Nexus 7 from GameStop comes with $25 Google Play credit and Transformers
I guess I could just buy that new Bourne book on the store if that's the case.
Phoenix
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That's not odd. They are likely still in manufacturing right now.
That's my hesitance on this device, it's the antithesis of what Android was supposed to be. If it's just another one-function nexus device then we're truly headed for an appliance tech future.
My only consolation is that the price is justifying the lack of functionality.
(My transformer keeps dying from non usage =/)
-Pyromaniac-
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that's weird, both work fine on my ipad/phone. Apparently some people have the same people on flashless chrome. Not sure why it converts for iOS devices and not for others. Something about user agents or something
that's weird, both work fine on my ipad/phone. Apparently some people have the same people on flashless chrome. Not sure why it converts for iOS devices and not for others. Something about user agents or something
Web developers that target a specific device/os instead of making it accessible to everyone.
>=(
Yeah I'd imagine they are explicitly handling the iOS user agent in their CSS style sheets, etc.that's weird, both work fine on my ipad/phone. Apparently some people have the same people on flashless chrome. Not sure why it converts for iOS devices and not for others. Something about user agents or something
That's the point though. They are tech sites that do massive amounts mobile coverage, and they aren't handling some well known browsers. There's a lot of irony there. It's not like IE9 nor mobile Chrome have any issues handling the HTML 5 vid tags.
Then again, given the quality of these sites' 'journalism' at times ... I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Really I shouldn't be singling them out, but the tech media in general fucks up details so often, sometimes I feel like throwing my phone when listening to podcasts or reading stories. It only gets worse when it comes to actual editorials. :\
Spoony Experiment videos don't load at all. Twitch works perfect except when you go to fullscreen. There is an official twitch app for Live broadcasts for Android though so that's not a problem for live videos. But yeah fullscreen in general seems to be fucked in Jelly Bean. It worked fine in ICS. Can't wait for HTML5 streaming to take off.
99 percent of my time with the tf101 has been netflix. The other is reference photos for art.
But now I'm getting SODs every so often, and apps crash or don't work. To make it worse, Netflix won't even load anymore even after reboot or uninstall/reinstall, so now it'll be an expensive slideshow screen until I get AOKP M6 on it.
[edit]
Apparently Netflix is down, along with Instagram and Amazon's Cloud Shortage. Should have checked for that before everything else...
Titanium backup to the rescue!
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The Verge's review has a small bit of Google+ footage.
Facebook isn't tablet optimized (like Twitter, which they show too) so it's just the phone app scaled up.