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NFL 2013 Week 13 |OT| Guns of the Patriots

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Grover Cleveland

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Kave_Man said:
The William Gay one wasn't called on the field .

Not that I feel the Browns would have won but it definitely ended the game.
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The Cameron Wake hit
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wasn't called either. Considering it was the first Panthers play of the game, it's hard to say that a penalty there would have changed the game, but that hit definitely shook up Cam.
 
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BlackGhost

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squicken said:
No doubt he is, physically. And it's not like Bridgewter has been playing great teams either. This game is a joke today, though. No defense but Carr throws an awesome football. Gotta think he's a potential top 10 pick
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Yeah Carr hasn't played really any good defenses all year, Ive heard he's comparable to J cutler as prospect. .......personally though I don't want him.
 
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squicken

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BlackGhost said:
Yeah Carr hasn't played really any good defenses all year, I'd say he's comparable to J cutler as prospect. .......personally though I don't want him.
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See what I liked about Cutler/Brees/Eli was that they weren't surrounded by amazing talent. When you watch a guy like McCarron, how do you separate him from all the pro players on the team? When a bad program all the sudden is better b/c the QB play is better, you know that QB is legit and not just a snap taker

I get your concern. You see Tim Couch 2.0. I see David Carr 2.0. We've been burned by these kind of guys before. Go back and it's Ande Ware and David Klingler. It's one of those things where the tape is going to be secondary. It's getting them on the whiteboard and trying to project how they react to NFL concepts and competition

Just my early take, I'd rather have JFF in the 2nd round than Carr in the top 10
 
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AngmarsKing701

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San Diego gonna sneak in and win it all this year? Anyone but the Pats or the Ravens, please.

I can't imagine how horrible the world would have to be to have to deal with Ravens/Pats back to back SB championships. Ugh.
 
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Spectral Glider

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AngmarsKing701 said:
San Diego gonna sneak in and win it all this year? Anyone but the Pats or the Ravens, please.

I can't imagine how horrible the world would have to be to have to deal with Ravens/Pats back to back SB championships. Ugh.
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I'm jumping on the Chiefs train....though I don't think they'll quite make it. But they haven't won shit for an eternity and it would be somebody different.
 
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Officerrob

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National Football Post's top ten dead money deals:

1. Richard Seymour (DT)-Oakland Raiders: $13.714 Million

Seymour’s $13.714 million cap charge is a result of two contract restructurings where three voidable years were added to his two-year, $30 million contract to create over $16.5 million of cap room in 2011 and 2012. Once Seymour’s contract voided in early February, the proration from the additional years accelerated into the 2013 cap.

3. Carson Palmer (QB)-Oakland Raiders: $9.34 Million

Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie’s preference was for Palmer to take a $3 million pay cut to lower his $15.335 million cap number and $13 million salary. When Palmer refused, he was traded to the Arizona Cardinals with a 2013 seventh-round pick for a 2013 sixth-round pick and a conditional 2014 seventh-round pick (if Palmer starts at least 13 games this season). Palmer accepted a bigger paycut than the Raiders proposed by re-working his contract in the trade. He now has a two-year, $16 million deal (worth up to $20 million through salary escalators and incentives) with an $8 million salary this year.

5. Rolando McClain (LB)-Oakland Raiders: $7.26 Million

McClain was the final first-round pick of Al Davis’ illustrious NFL career. The eighth overall selection in the 2010 NFL draft is part of a roster purge that has created over $50 million in dead money for the Raiders this year. McClain’s two-game suspension for conduct detrimental to the team in 2012 voided the remaining $3.635 million of 2013 and 2014 base salary guarantees in his contract, which made it easier for the Raiders to cut him. If the guarantees had remained intact, Oakland’s cap charge for McClain would have been $10.895 million upon release with his $2.1 million 2014 guaranteed base salary accelerating into this year’s salary cap. He also would have collected an additional $3.635 million from the Raiders. McClain quickly caught on with the Baltimore Ravens after Oakland let him go, but abruptly retired a month later.

8. Tommy Kelly (DT)-Oakland Raiders: $6,324,270

The Raiders raised eyebrows in 2008 by signing Tommy Kelly to a seven-year, $50.125 million contract (with $17.5 million in guarantees) while he was recovering from a torn ACL in his right knee. At the time, it was the richest deal in NFL history for a defensive tackle. The Raiders got a much better return on their investment with Kelly than expected. He played five seasons in Oakland under the deal without taking a paycut and led NFL defensive tackles (along with Geno Atkins) with 7.5 sacks in 2011.
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Three of the top 5 and 4 of the top 8, it's going to be nice to finally be out of from under these contracts
 
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Grover Cleveland

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Luke Kuechly was NOT fined for his questionable hit against the Dolphins

Kuechly Da Gawd is untouchable

Wes said:
Just back from seeing Hunger Games for my birthday. JLaw is too attractive. Some of you are crazy.
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Too fat, too popular

5 in my area

/GAF

All kidding aside, I would let her buy me a diner. She seems super chill too which is a plus
 
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cashman

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Farooq said:
Fucking eh...Lance Dunbar is out for the season.

Nick Eatman ‏@nickeatman 19m
Lance Dunbar is expected to miss rest of the year with a left knee injury that needs surgery. http://bit.ly/1cDUtns

He had stellar game against Oakland. Was a great reliever for Murray, and definitely had a knack for the cutback, unlike Murray who would sometimes run to darkness and leave yardage on the field. Damn.
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Shit, Broaddus only thought he'd be out a week or so. Hope Randle can step up.
 
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simples

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
ive never seen a full james bond movie. i watched like 20 mins of skyfall on netflix the other day and it seemed stupid/cheesy. maybe i just dont get it
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james bond is a classy guy who enjoys finer things in life instead of shitty tattoos and sneakers

so thats not a surprise you dont like him
 
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FrenchMovieTheme

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simples said:
james bond is a classy guy who enjoys finer things in life instead of shitty tattoos and sneakers

so thats not a surprise you dont like him
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at least kap can beat the packers at full strength. what about fattford? needs to have a bum off the street start at QB in order to compete with the packers. shameful
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

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squicken said:
See what I liked about Cutler/Brees/Eli was that they weren't surrounded by amazing talent. When you watch a guy like McCarron, how do you separate him from all the pro players on the team? When a bad program all the sudden is better b/c the QB play is better, you know that QB is legit and not just a snap taker

I get your concern. You see Tim Couch 2.0. I see David Carr 2.0. We've been burned by these kind of guys before. Go back and it's Ande Ware and David Klingler. It's one of those things where the tape is going to be secondary. It's getting them on the whiteboard and trying to project how they react to NFL concepts and competition

Just my early take, I'd rather have JFF in the 2nd round than Carr in the top 10
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Derek Carr is legit impressive. The pride of Bakersfield. In no way is AJ McCarron impressive. But there is tons of talent to develop in the 2nd and later rounds. No need to throw everyone to the wolves.
 
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bionic77

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
ive never seen a full james bond movie. i watched like 20 mins of skyfall on netflix the other day and it seemed stupid/cheesy. maybe i just dont get it
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Skyfall was really bad. You made the right move by stopping.

Casino Royale was decent. The others were a you had to be there type of thing. I thought he was a boss in the 80s. Now most of them seem lame.
 
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Draxal

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squicken said:
See what I liked about Cutler/Brees/Eli was that they weren't surrounded by amazing talent. When you watch a guy like McCarron, how do you separate him from all the pro players on the team? When a bad program all the sudden is better b/c the QB play is better, you know that QB is legit and not just a snap taker

I get your concern. You see Tim Couch 2.0. I see David Carr 2.0. We've been burned by these kind of guys before. Go back and it's Ande Ware and David Klingler. It's one of those things where the tape is going to be secondary. It's getting them on the whiteboard and trying to project how they react to NFL concepts and competition

Just my early take, I'd rather have JFF in the 2nd round than Carr in the top 10
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Eli and Cutler played in the Sec, Brees in the B1G.

MWC was garbage this year (Boise St is not Boise St anymore), and they didn't play anybody tough OOC.

The fact that he plays in a spread with garbage opponents makes him really tough to evaluate.

and I"m pretty sure Davante Adams is a pro prospect
 
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squicken

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Rafa=FedKilla said:
Derek Carr is legit impressive. The pride of Bakersfield. In no way is AJ McCarron impressive. But there is tons of talent to develop in the 2nd and later rounds. No need to throw everyone to the wolves.
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Yeah he really is. I've watched all of this horrible game and he really does throw it well. Not just velocity but insanely accurate. It's just so hard to really know anything. There's no pressure and the reads are easy. Go look at Brandon Weeden's preseason this year and you'd see mostly the same thing, though his feet issues and lack of touch were still present
 
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cdyhybrid

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bionic77 said:
Skyfall was really bad. You made the right move by stopping.

Casino Royale was decent. The others were a you had to be there type of thing. I thought he was a boss in the 80s. Now most of them seem lame.
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Not surprised Niners and Steelers fans have equally terrible tastes.
 
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squicken

Member
Draxal said:
Eli and Cutler played in the Sec, Brees in the B1G.

MWC was garbage this year (Boise St is not Boise St anymore), and they didn't play anybody tough OOC.

The fact that he plays in a spread with garbage opponents makes him really tough to evaluate.

and I"m pretty sure Davante Adams is a pro prospect
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Yeah I'm not comparing Carr to those guys. Just saying I liked Cutler and don't see the comparison to he and Carr for the reasons you listed
 
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Narag

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bionic77 said:
Skyfall was really bad. You made the right move by stopping.

Casino Royale was decent. The others were a you had to be there type of thing. I thought he was a boss in the 80s. Now most of them seem lame.
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It was really hard to revisit Goldeneye.
 
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Draxal

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squicken said:
Yeah I'm not comparing Carr to those guys. Just saying I liked Cutler and don't see the comparison to he and Carr for the reasons you listed
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Ah, reading comprehension fail on my part then.

I do think Carr's good, but I thought Adams was more impressive.
 
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Narag

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‏@mortreport 2m
Sources: Agreement on Incognito came Nov 21 when he postponed grievance. 2 game checks and 6 week cap to allow Ted Wells to conclude probe.
 
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squicken

Member
Set up my mom's Ipad Retina Mini today. Amazing piece of hardware. My dad is taking her old first gen IPad Retina and it is so slow in comparison
 
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The_Darkest_Red

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Grover Cleveland said:
The Cameron Wake hit
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wasn't called either. Considering it was the first Panthers play of the game, it's hard to say that a penalty there would have changed the game, but that hit definitely shook up Cam.
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That's the only way he could have finished that play because of how his body was positioned. Only other option was lowering the helmet which would clearly be a penalty. No way Cam (the real Cam) was aiming for the helmet on that hit.
 
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