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smokeymicpot · Sep 30, 2013

jakncoke said:
Wow Josh Freeman going to win like 12

Probably since he has nothing better to do now.

msdstc · Sep 30, 2013

DeaconKnowledge said:
Because as usual when somebody does something to hurt the poor widdle Patriots feelings you start crying.

In fact, I can't remember the last time you posted about something in here other than people being mean to the Pats.

jmdajr · Sep 30, 2013

MechDX said:
Schaub is being fed to the wolves here! Heard a snippet of an interview with him this morning on 610. Host said "How would you respond if Kubiak came to you and said we are starting TJ this week?". Schaub responded: "Im not going to answer that because my focus is on preparing for the Forty Niners." dude sounded like he was about to cry. You could hear it in his damn voice.

Here is a fun stat I got from a Texans forum I visit:

In descending order, points scored against the Texans:

1. Baltimore – 23
2. Matt Schaub – 21
3. Titans – 17
4. Seahawks – 16

Got damn.

The man is shook.

legitly so...

The_Darkest_Red · Sep 30, 2013

jmdajr said:
The man is shook.

legitly so...

I actually feel kind of bad for the guy because it's one of those cases where you can tell he's giving it everything he's got and it just isn't good enough. The facial expressions he was making all day yesterday and stuff, you could just tell it was driving him crazy when something went wrong.

msdstc · Sep 30, 2013

The_Darkest_Red said:
I actually feel kind of bad for the guy because it's one of those cases where you can tell he's giving it everything he's got and it just isn't good enough. The facial expressions he was making all day yesterday and stuff, you could just tell it was driving him crazy when something went wrong.

It's just one of those things a sort of realization has to set in at some point. Schaub is a mid level talent, but he's just not good enough to win a superbowl. Somethings gotta give there.

cdyhybrid · Sep 30, 2013

Schaub needs a better coach. He's still a better option than half the starters in the league but his faults combined with the offensive philosophy there is what's killing them.

msdstc · Sep 30, 2013

cdyhybrid said:
Schaub needs a better coach. He's still a better option than half the starters in the league but his faults combined with the offensive philosophy there is what's killing them.

The problem with that is half the league just isn't good enough to win a superbowl... although Flacco won last year so anybody could win if hot at the right time. The league is a qbs league though, and while he's a solid talent, he's a stop gap at best.

BlackGhost · Sep 30, 2013

Browns

captive · Sep 30, 2013

MechDX said:
Schaub is being fed to the wolves here! Heard a snippet of an interview with him this morning on 610. Host said "How would you respond if Kubiak came to you and said we are starting TJ this week?". Schaub responded: "Im not going to answer that because my focus is on preparing for the Forty Niners." dude sounded like he was about to cry. You could hear it in his damn voice.

Here is a fun stat I got from a Texans forum I visit:

In descending order, points scored against the Texans:

1. Baltimore – 23
2. Matt Schaub – 21
3. Titans – 17
4. Seahawks – 16

Got damn.

this also doesnt take into account points for the titans after an INT the defense holds them to a 3. The 7 for the chargers after the tipped int at the start of the game. There may be one more field goal that a team got of a INT but i don't recall.

Seems really unlucky, terrible bad decision throws, but taints aren't THAT common that half the INTs thrown are all returned for TDs.

And then another 3 after ben tates fumble.

The defense is playing great, really.

The_Darkest_Red · Sep 30, 2013

BlackGhost said:
Browns

See you in the AFC Championship. We'll take the Pats, you take the Broncos.

cdyhybrid · Sep 30, 2013

msdstc said:
The problem with that is half the league just isn't good enough to win a superbowl... although Flacco won last year so anybody could win if hot at the right time. The league is a qbs league though, and while he's a solid talent, he's a stop gap at best.

You can win a Super Bowl with a mediocre QB. Niners were one Crabtree drop away from doing so last season.

Smokey · Sep 30, 2013

MechDX said:
Schaub is being fed to the wolves here! Heard a snippet of an interview with him this morning on 610. Host said "How would you respond if Kubiak came to you and said we are starting TJ this week?". Schaub responded: "Im not going to answer that because my focus is on preparing for the Forty Niners." dude sounded like he was about to cry. You could hear it in his damn voice.

Here is a fun stat I got from a Texans forum I visit:

In descending order, points scored against the Texans:

1. Baltimore 23
2. Matt Schaub 21
3. Titans 17
4. Seahawks 16

Got damn.

Yep he's getting destroyed. I heard the interview love this morning. Nick asked that question on 610. His leash has run out here and when people here turn on you its a wrap.

Kubiak deserves a ton of blame too. Predictable as fuck. Sherman and other hawks said they knew the play was coming. Nobody is ever confused by this team except when they wonder why our qb continually gives them points.

The_Darkest_Red · Sep 30, 2013

cdyhybrid said:
You can win a Super Bowl with a mediocre QB. Niners were one Crabtree drop away from doing so last season.

But at the time Kaep's play was not mediocre. Same for Flacco in the playoffs, obviously. I guess you could argue that an overachieving mediocre QB can win a SB but that seems pretty rare.

MechDX · Sep 30, 2013

The_Darkest_Red said:
I actually feel kind of bad for the guy because it's one of those cases where you can tell he's giving it everything he's got and it just isn't good enough. The facial expressions he was making all day yesterday and stuff, you could just tell it was driving him crazy when something went wrong.

msdstc said:
It's just one of those things a sort of realization has to set in at some point. Schaub is a mid level talent, but he's just not good enough to win a superbowl. Somethings gotta give there.

The saddest part of all this? I may get ripped for saying it but: You put Brees, Brady, Eli or even Ben on this offense with the talent at the skill positions it has and they are just as good if not better than Denver.

Bill Simmons said trade Schaub and #1 pick to Steelers for Ben. Get Pittsburgh out form under Bens contract and they can cut Schaub after season if they wish for minimal hit.

Vyer · Sep 30, 2013

exarkun said:
Sad to see that the Texans are finally on all the national radio/television sports talk shows, but for the wrong reason.

I go back and forth on Schaub, and I think if you aren't blinded by hate, a Texans fan should too. The man will play very good football for stretches of time, put balls in small windows and generally doing what is needed for a win. But then his lack of mobility, and more than occasional lack of pocket presence, will result in a drive killing sack -- or interception-- that changes momentum and puts the defense in a bad place.

We rarely have seen anyone that whose highs are fairly high but their occasional low is so bad that its a game changer. Tbh, Im more with Jaws on first take and the hasselbald brother that was on Mike and Mike: Schaub can make the throws and take us to the superbowl. Its Kubiak and Dennison (our O-coordinator who isn't really a coordinator since Kubiak still calls the offense) who should be catching alllllot of the blame for their vanilla and very predictable offense. We should give credit to Sherman and the Hawks D for 1) predicting the play and 2) making a great play.

It could be that Kubiak sticks with that play calling because of Schaub. Or it could just be that Kubiak just isn't that creative. Regardless, all of those things you mentioned are exactly why Schaub doesn't 'generally do what it takes to win.' It's all part of the deal. If Schaub can't keep it together in one of the most 'vanilla and predictable' of offenses, then what's the point?

I remember a time when (not saying this is you, just talking generally) people kept trying to defend Carr too. Lots of fans (and media and maybe our owner) in Houston seem to have a hard time letting go of the starting QB when the writing has been on the wall for a long time for most observers.

msdstc · Sep 30, 2013

cdyhybrid said:
You can win a Super Bowl with a mediocre QB. Niners were one Crabtree drop away from doing so last season.

Look at my last post lol... hell I think Flacco is garbage. I would take Schaub over Flacco 9 out of 10 times. Only thing about Schaub that sucks is he's fragile and couldn't be counted on. That being said the way to constant success and the best chance to win is a top tier QB. I don't know what caused all the anamolies the past few years I really haven't been able to wrap my head around it completely. Luck and momentum plays a lot more of a factor now than it did before, otherwise Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Brees, etc. would be there every year. Instead you have the weaker Manning, Flacco, Kaepernick, etc. In a way it's good for the league, but in other ways it makes it more about getting hot.

captive · Sep 30, 2013

The_Darkest_Red said:
But at the time Kaep's play was not mediocre. Same for Flacco in the playoffs, obviously. I guess you could argue that an overachieving mediocre QB can win a SB but that seems pretty rare.

i said this last week with more in depth analysis while you people were jacking off to the so called parity in the NFL.

otherwise Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Brees, etc. would be there every year. Instead you have the weaker Manning, Flacco, Kaepernick

You realize last year was the first year in a while that one of these QBs wasn't in the superbowl?

jmdajr · Sep 30, 2013

I know Kubiak doesn't want to throw Schaub under the bus but god damn. I don't know how many loses it's going to take. Even if the ship is righted somehow we won't get far in the post season unless everyone plays perfect which is impossible.

Zeke · Sep 30, 2013

Hunter S Thompson said:
Looking at the best QB ever thread. I am glad this thread is insular.

just finished reading it, worst thread ever and I want that time and brain cells back. I did :jnc good at some people putting Aikman up there....I miss Troy ;(

cashman · Sep 30, 2013

Top 5 NFL QBs of all time
1. Aikman
2. Staubach
3. Romo
4. Danny White
5. Quincy Carter

exarkun · Sep 30, 2013

cdyhybrid said:
Schaub needs a better coach. He's still a better option than half the starters in the league but his faults combined with the offensive philosophy there is what's killing them.

This. Theres a reason why hes usually in that upper mid tier of qbs when lists are out. We have a great RB, HoF WR, great rookie WR, great TE. He doesn't have to be very good, he can just be pretty decent and we will still win. Its the offensive playcalling and coach that is killing us.

Btw, we may have lost the game to seahawks, but apparently our defense won in stats. The game against the seahawks let the Texans beat them in defense, pushing the 'hawks defense down to the second in the league in yards allowed and second in the league against the pass. Texans become first in both categories: http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2013/09/texans-lose-despite-passing-seahawks-for-top-nfl-defense/

FrenchMovieTheme · Sep 30, 2013

cdyhybrid said:
You can win a Super Bowl with a mediocre QB. Niners were one Crabtree drop away from doing so last season.

Or the seachickens this year! Wussle has looked awful in 3/4 games but you're 4-0. You remind me of the 2011 niners.... Except Alex was better than wuss

jmdajr · Sep 30, 2013

Hey look, Matt gets a free Burrito.

Hitokage · Sep 30, 2013

exarkun said:
We rarely have seen anyone that whose highs are fairly high but their occasional low is so bad that its a game changer. Tbh, Im more with Jaws on first take and the hasselbald brother that was on Mike and Mike: Schaub can make the throws and take us to the superbowl. Its Kubiak and Dennison (our O-coordinator who isn't really a coordinator since Kubiak still calls the offense) who should be catching alllllot of the blame for their vanilla and very predictable offense. We should give credit to Sherman and the Hawks D for 1) predicting the play and 2) making a great play.

Russell Wilson was mentioning how even on the sidelines he could tell that the Texans were in formation in such a way that indicated pass for that play. Not in certain terms, mind you.

The_Darkest_Red · Sep 30, 2013

captive said:
i said this last week with more in depth analysis while you people were jacking off to the so called parity in the NFL.

You realize last year was teh first year in a while that one of these QBs wasn't in the superbowl?

Do you realize that the argument is not that every single team in the NFL is literally at the exact same level in terms of how good or bad they are? The claim is that parity is higher now than ever before, particularly when you look below the top few teams. Argue against that instead of throwing up your strawmen and then whining like a baby when your "in depth analysis" is brushed over.

FrenchMovieTheme · Sep 30, 2013

cashman said:
Top 5 NFL QBs of all time
1. Aikman
2. Staubach
3. Romo
4. Danny White
5. Quincy Carter

You turned your back on cowboys era Bledsoe? For shame

MechDX · Sep 30, 2013

jmdajr said:
Hey look, Matt gets a free Burrito.

Fuck that! I get no slushee from Sonic he shouldn't get a damn burrito!

msdstc · Sep 30, 2013

captive said:
i said this last week with more in depth analysis while you people were jacking off to the so called parity in the NFL.

You realize last year was the first year in a while that one of these QBs wasn't in the superbowl?

Yeah I realize that, but the pattern just appears to be different, and I feel it had more to do with the lack of competition rather than the actual team. the '11 pats were severely flawed, and I thought it was Peyton's year for sure last year. Either way I don't always think parity is good, it depends on how you get there. Watering down the product isn't the right way to do it.

captive · Sep 30, 2013

Smokey said:
Kubiak deserves a ton of blame too. Predictable as fuck. Sherman and other hawks said they knew the play was coming. Nobody is ever confused by this team except when they wonder why our qb continually gives them points.

i don't like this argument. Was the offense predictable when the Seahawks had no answer for them in the first half?

The reason that play is a bad bad play call, is not because its predictable, its a bad play call because ALL GAME the seahawks were just crashing on the boots.

cdyhybrid · Sep 30, 2013

FrenchMovieTheme said:
Or the seachickens this year! Wussle has looked awful in 3/4 games but you're 4-0. You remind me of the 2011 niners.... Except Alex was better than wuss

Russell's hands are like 4 times the size of Alex's though.

Smokey · Sep 30, 2013

This will be 2010 all over again. 6-10!

jmdajr · Sep 30, 2013

It sucks. I would say...

"Yeah well, at least he's not throwing the ball out there like an idiot a-la Romo."

Now..I got nothing..

Hitokage · Sep 30, 2013

DUFFMCWALIN said:
thats the joke

I don't believe in ugly avatars, only discomforting ones.

KingGondo · Sep 30, 2013

BlackGhost said:
Browns

Brownie fucking rocks.

Smokey · Sep 30, 2013

captive said:
i don't like this argument. Was the offense predictable when the Seahawks had no answer for them in the first half?

The reason that play is a bad bad play call, is not because its predictable, its a bad play call because ALL GAME the seahawks were just crashing on the boots.

Let me clarify.

The Seahawks made adjustments at the half to take away the TEs. The Texans did nothing on their side to adjust. They do the same thing over and over when they are ahead. They said they practiced it over and over. They knew it was coming. It's trash. The boot isn't working this year because everyone that plays the texans have caught on.

I'd scheme to just go after schaub on hand offs at all times and have the back end account for the RBs.. Which is pretty much what SEA did

captive · Sep 30, 2013

The_Darkest_Red said:
Do you realize that the argument is not that every single team in the NFL is literally at the exact same level in terms of how good or bad they are? The claim is that parity is higher now than ever before, particularly when you look below the top few teams. Argue against that instead of throwing up your strawmen and then whining like a baby when your "in depth analysis" is brushed over.

This is what I said. Who cares about parity amongst shitty teams?

Also i think you need to look up the definition of a straw man, i'm not the one creating the argument, im the one answering it, with facts.

captive said:
who cares about the losing teams? Especially when the top 25% of teams are almost always the same?

http://bryanjoiner.com/2009/09/29/the-myth-of-nfl-parity/
http://www.footballnation.com/content/fn-today-podcast-parity-nfl-myth-or-reality/15043/
http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/61975-the-myth-of-nfl-parity
http://espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/stark_jayson/id/8908029/mlb-more-parity-nfl

There's plenty more out there.

Since 1987 only 12 franchises have won the superbowl. And if you look at those teams all but the Ravens and Buccaneers had great QB play. The last great defense to win the superbowl would be the 2005 steelers. The 08 superbowl had better QB play by Ben with a top defense. So essentially unless you have a top 5 or top 10 QB in addition to an above average defense, you're not winning the superbowl.

So, sure, if you want to say there's "parity" among the shitty teams, technically true, who cares, none of those teams are going to make the playoffs or win the superbowl.

I also don't think we'll ever see another 2000 Ravens or 2002 Bucs team win with all the rules favoring the offense.

Narag · Sep 30, 2013

Has the Texans cycle returned? All doom and gloom.

MechDX · Sep 30, 2013

captive said:
i don't like this argument. Was the offense predictable when the Seahawks had no answer for them in the first half?

The reason that play is a bad bad play call, is not because its predictable, its a bad play call because ALL GAME the seahawks were just crashing on the boots.

Great post and to the point. But as Deion Sanders and Mooch said on Gameday Final (or whatever) no matter what is called you just should not have thrown that ball.

FMT I would be worried about Kap. Watt was visibly pissed yesterday and I think he will take it out on him. Sorry.

Alligatorjandro · Sep 30, 2013

You can have the best defensive player in the league but if the QB is shit you're not winning anything. Thats why I'd take Bridgewater over Clowney.

cashman · Sep 30, 2013

jmdajr said:
It sucks. I would say...

"Yeah well, at least he's not throwing the ball out there like an idiot a-la Romo."

Now..I got nothing..

Only 1 INT this year!

msdstc · Sep 30, 2013

captive said:
This is what I said. Who cares about parity amongst shitty teams?

Also i think you need to look up the definition of a straw man, i'm not the one creating the argument, im the one answering it, with facts.

This is what I'm getting at as well with the NFL. Teams used to be scary... hell I thought the Colts and Saints in 09 were true titans. I will say this year I'll put the Broncos in the conversation and I'm hesitant on the seahawks, we'll see how Percy is when he gets back. That being said the superbowl teams of the past 6 or so years were all flukes. The only one you could make a case for was the 10-6 Packers, and even still once Greg went down the next year, they never quite reached that level again. Also their defense hasn't recovered either. Now I think whether you're 14-2 or 9-7, there really isn't much of a difference. So some will view that as good a "anybody can win" mentality, but is it because of the high level of talent amongst teams, or is it watered down? Not sure what the factor is.

msdstc · Sep 30, 2013

Alligatorjandro said:
You can have the best defensive player in the league but if the QB is shit you're not winning anything. Thats why I'd take Bridgewater over Clowney.

Ehh I think finding a player like say clowney, or in a better example IMO is Revis. Those jets defenses just needed a guy like Schaub or Romo and they would've been beasttt. It's much easier to find Romo or Schaub or Flacco, then it is to find a revis.

jmdajr · Sep 30, 2013

Narag said:
Has the Texans cycle returned? All doom and gloom.

Well after getting all the so called pieces I think we now know Schaub doesn't have what it takes.

I mean look how far we get into the play offs with a third string QB. Unreal. So much damn supportive talent.

They said on the radio it's not over until you are eliminated from the Playoffs, but how the fuck are we going to beat the Patriots or Broncos? Beats me man. Maybe we'll get lucky and beat up Cincinnati again but looks like they don't have all the pieces either.

captive · Sep 30, 2013

MechDX said:
Great post and to the point. But as Deion Sanders and Mooch said on Gameday Final (or whatever) no matter what is called you just should not have thrown that ball.

FMT I would be worried about Kap. Watt was visibly pissed yesterday and I think he will take it out on him. Sorry.

yea, its a bad play call, even worse decision by Schaub.

msdstc said:
This is what I'm getting at as well with the NFL. Teams used to be scary... hell I thought the Colts and Saints in 09 were true titans. I will say this year I'll put the Broncos in the conversation and I'm hesitant on the seahawks, we'll see how Percy is when he gets back. That being said the superbowl teams of the past 6 or so years were all flukes. The only one you could make a case for was the 10-6 Packers, and even still once Greg went down the next year, they never quite reached that level again. Also their defense hasn't recovered either. Now I think whether you're 14-2 or 9-7, there really isn't much of a difference. So some will view that as good a "anybody can win" mentality, but is it because of the high level of talent amongst teams, or is it watered down? Not sure what the factor is.

yea and then you have a 16-0 team, and the first ever 0-16 team, hell we might get both this year.

Colasante · Sep 30, 2013

Richard Seymour laughs and says "no way" when asked if he'd consider a return to the Patriots. Why you gotta be like that, Sey? Branch was traded too and he couldn't've been happier about returning.

Smokey · Sep 30, 2013

jmdajr said:
Well after getting all the so called pieces I think we now know Schaub doesn't have what it takes.

I mean look how far we get into the play offs with a third string QB. Unreal. So much damn supportive talent.

They said on the radio it's not over until you are eliminated from the Playoffs, but how the fuck are we going to beat the Patriots or Broncos? Beats me man. Maybe we'll get lucky and beta up Cincinnati i again but looks like they don't have all the pieces either.

Yeah. He has all kinds of weapons and there's really no more excuses for him. So I don't think it's da cycle, it's just the reality of everyone seeing this dude is terrible in today's NFL.

The_Darkest_Red · Sep 30, 2013

captive said:
This is what I said. Who cares about parity amongst shitty teams?

Also i think you need to look up the definition of a straw man, i'm not the one creating the argument, im the one answering it, with facts.

I'm not wasting my time responding to facts from '87 to the present and a blog from 2009. Look at the past few years. Records of SB winners since '10:

Packers: 10-6
Giants: 9-7
Ravens: 10-6

The straw man you are creating is, "there is parity in the NFL." That was never my argument as it implies that every team is on the exact same level which is stupid. My argument is that parity in general is increasing. Just look at the impact a bunch of rookie QB's had on the league last season for more evidence.

Hitokage · Sep 30, 2013

captive said:
yea and then you have a 16-0 team, and the first ever 0-16 team, hell we might get both this year.

Are you referring to this year or a previous year there.

cdyhybrid · Sep 30, 2013

Colasante said:
Branch was traded too and he couldn't've been happier about returning.

That's because you guys were the only ones willing to give him a paycheck.

msdstc · Sep 30, 2013

captive said:
yea, its a bad play call, even worse decision by Schaub.

yea and then you have a 16-0 team, and the first ever 0-16 team, hell we might get both this year.

In 07 pats went 16-0 and the dolphins went 1-15, got bailed out in the final game if I remember right with the dolphins unforunately.

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