DeaconKnowledge
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high results = wild card choke job.
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NFL 2014 Week 4 |OT| Hell is Empty and All The Devils Are Here
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high results = wild card choke job.
Alligatorjandro
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That's Indy's fault for not building a team.
I think everybody saw that coming, he's playing with arguably the current worst starter in the league.
WesternHeretic
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How does it feel knowing that you guys could of been back to back SB champs going for a 3peat if yall just trust the great Alex!
Kaep is absolute trash, but don't forget this team has been largely mediocre. Tonight is the outlier, the pats are in shambles right now, Chiefs will come back to earth.
The Patriots always surrounded Brady with talent on either side of the ball. The notion that Brady was in it alone during their championship years or the two Giants losses is a joke. That's why I was calling it out. Brady had good surrounding talent.
Football isn't only about how many pro bowls your receivers go to.
We've got to get ShaneB trained up in the AFCW traditions.
You don't lose 43-8 by one guy sucking it up. Seattle beat up the entire Broncos team including forcing Manning to make bad decisions. I'm not deflecting any blame off of Manning as he decided to play his worst game all year.
The talent was certainly in Denver before Manning came. Once he got here though he helped make those guys into top 5 in their position. I think we can safely say that Manning helped them realize their potential.
As far as Manning being as bad with your team who knows? We could go back and forth all night with this. Good thing for Broncos fans is that we don't really have to concern ourselves with that reality. That's the benefit of having a VP that knows what it requires to be successful under center.
Alligatorjandro
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I don't understand what's being argued
DrForester
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Clockwork5
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you obviously did not watch the game. He played lights out.
WesternHeretic
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It's true. People joke and say Brady is 3-0 when cheating and 0-2 without cameras, but really it's Brady is 3-0 with good defense and 0-2 with meh defense.
Defense wins championship!
I never said it was all on Manning, I just think it's funny that when the tables are flipped you put it all on Tom. BTW you don't lose 41-14 due to one guy. Our team flat out BLEW tonight. Tom was bad, but we are out of it long before tom threw those picks. All I know is that peyton was responsible for putting his team in a hole on the first damn drive and they never recovered.
I'm not going to get in a Tom vs. Peyton argument, it's not the time or place for that. All I'm saying is, with a little perspective and common sense, It's clear why Tom has fallen off the cliff the way he is... the team fucking sucks, plain and simple.
Nobody argues they won it alone, but People do argue that Peyton had enough to win those years, and lost them himself. Tom could've done more in those 2 superbowls sure. That being said The GMing has been an absolute shit show since 07, a total disaster pretty much across the board, outside of 1 draft.
FrenchMovieTheme
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get out of here guy. here are alex smiths playoff stats in his career:
66/94, 873 yards, 9 TD, 0 int, 1 rushing TD, 2 game winning plays against the saints in 2011
i will guarantee you that there is no non-niner QB in playoff history that can match those numbers
It's being argued that Manning wasn't as good as Brady because he had more weapons.
Brady, Manning, and Rodgers have all had weapons during their careers.
Brady has always had great line-play and during the early years good defensive play.
Manning has had great weapons at receiver and less on defense.
Rodgers has been a mix of good/shit on defense, great weapons, and shit line-play.
DeaconKnowledge
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Alligatorjandro
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Oh ok
Mackenzie 92
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I agree, but in this case I think it's just 2 guys who have worked together closely for almost 3 years and by all accounts have a good relationship being informal and having a conversation over the phone. Sure he could have waited until tomorrow, but maybe he wanted to put the guy out of his misery or maybe Allen shot him a text, saying "yo am I fired bro?" Either way I don't think it's as scandal-worthy as the media are hyping it up to be.
FrenchMovieTheme
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feels bad because i still love alex and i wish him all the success possible (without compromising 49ers success!)
Clockwork5
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my comment was about Smith. Not that wild card game. GTFO and have fun with Todd Haley.
You have trouble with reading comprehension don't you?
What's being argued is whether or not anybody could succeed with this pats team righ tnow. Because of the immense success Tom is a big target, so of course people are gonna love his fall, but it's foolish to think that the pats are where they are because of him and his decline alone. If they had a good line in front of him (or at least competent), and a receiver who knew how to catch a football, then they would be 4-0 right now, or at worst 3-1.
DeaconKnowledge
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I will, thanks!
FrenchMovieTheme
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FMT, you promised me that the Eagles would win on Sunday.
we did our part brah!
i have nothing to back it up, but i'm assuming there has never been a previous game in NFL history that a team gave up a punt block td, then taint, then PR TD and still win the game. we served it up to you but you wouldn't take it!
Okay. Yes, if the Pats had a better line and more quality receivers, they would be a better team.
I think the Pats are a better team with Manning or Rodgers at QB without other improvements.
I understand exactly what you're saying. Why are you being so condescending?
The long and short here.
Nobody would succeed with what the pats are putting out there right now.
some say rodgers would fare better. I say he's 2-2 with a similar situation, slightly better line, and far better weapons.
Somehow turns into "well rodgers better than Brady now" I agree, even though I'm accused of not agreeing? Also accused of saying Brady is better than montana, definitely don't remember saying that.
I agree Rodgers is better now, but Brady will be a top 3 when all is said and done, just can't say that yet about Aaron, he may, but he has to win 1 or 2 more to be in the conversation, for now- brady montana, and peyton are the only ones realistically there.
sweetvar26
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Oh man, today's game was harder to watch than the AFC Championship game earlier this year.
Nothing worked right. I know Brady is in the spotlight for playing like shit but nothing worked. Defense is still a joke with all those missed tackles.
Miami seems to be doing pretty great, we might still make it to the playoffs with some luck but I can see this year is going to be harsh.
Nothing worked right. I know Brady is in the spotlight for playing like shit but nothing worked. Defense is still a joke with all those missed tackles.
Miami seems to be doing pretty great, we might still make it to the playoffs with some luck but I can see this year is going to be harsh.
On the broadcast, they were saying something like teams being 72-1-1 when that happened. :jnc
Hopefully we can right the ship against the Rams. I think I'm ready for the next OT.
FrenchMovieTheme
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brady and peypey should not be in the conversation with montana i'm sorry. maybe if you want to talk about best regular season QB's or something then that's fine. but if that's the conversation then steve young is better than both peypey and brady. if playoffs factor into it there is no competition: montana obliterates every other QB in NFL history. not even close and not worth comparing!
That's fine if you believe that, there's no way of knowing for sure. What I do know when peyton was pressured in a similar fashion and his defense failed him? They got blown the fuck out on the biggest stage in sports today.
Rodgers would do a little better due to his mobility, but we've never seen Rodgers play without offensive weapons, or at least as depleted as the pats are, and that minor improvement in Rodgers wouldn't put this team anywhere near "contending" I don't think the packers, who are in far better position, are a contender either.
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Greg, save us from this thread.
Unfortunately for you, they are both already in that conversation on a very regular basis, and I'll say it again and I'm really not trying to spark the argument, but the majority by a large margin put Tom above Peyton. Peytons run last year ending the way it did may have made things even worse for his legacy.
FrenchMovieTheme
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if rodgers and flynn would succeed on that team then tolzien would go undefeated
Whines about Tom never having weapons, then proceeds to tell us Cassell was blessed with such gifts. Can't play both sides here dude.
I never put it all on Tom. The whole team is playing shitty. I'll readily put blame on Manning for the Superbowl loss. Yet, the defense couldn't stop Wilson, and the special teams let Harvin naik the coffin shut. The Broncos and Manning blew it that day, no denial from me. Why can't you do the same and admit Brady is just as much to blame as anyone else tonight?
Serious question, why am I not allowed to lay out facts supporting the pats? Is it because I'm a pats fan? Seriously does my liking the pats really get you that mad? I don't sit here and make a case for why the eagles are a terrible franchise, although that would be as easy as it comes. I know this thread is largely a joke, but it's also nice to talk actual sports/football outside of "hurrrdurrr tom brady sucks".
FrenchMovieTheme
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but they are in the conversation because they are current. just take a look at everything and you will see that there is really no competition even though people want to make the comparison.
Seneca would've won a Super Bowl with last year's team if he didn't go down!
dude had all the best targets like Boykin and Myles White!
Sweeney Tom
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