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[manfestival]

Rulers doesn't sound like the right word for whoever wins the NFC South.

What does everyone think is a better word for the winner of the division?

Division representatives?

 

[Trey]

I just don't like the idea that every NFL receiver is basically the same player and their level of play is determined 100% by the play of the QB. It's not that black and white.

There is no Montana without Rice, and vice versa. It's a team game.

 

[ShaneB]

On the topic of WR's, it's still a depressing stat to realize no Chiefs WR has a touchdown this season.

 

[Tamanon]

Also, keep in mind Cam's receiver situation is kinda his fault since he forced Steve Smith out.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Who said that?

It's an overly extreme strawman version of your argument. Fair enough. The only point I'm trying to make is that the other ten guys outside of the QB do matter to some degree, even with the best QB's.

Of course, the degree to which they matter varies based on the QB, and if your QB is bad enough it doesn't really matter if everyone else is good or not.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

It's an overly extreme strawman version of your argument. Fair enough. The only point I'm trying to make is that the other ten guys outside of the QB do matter to some degree, even with the best QB's.

Of course, the degree to which they matter varies based on the QB, and if your QB is bad enough it doesn't really matter at some point.

The other 10 guys matter sure, but the QB matters most, or so i'm told by ESPN and NFL Network.

 

[bionic77]

Frauds

Pretty much everyone is a fraud this year.

That is not descriptive enough.

Division representatives?

Also not descriptive enough and doesn't explain how absolutely horrible the division is.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

On the topic of WR's, it's still a depressing stat to realize no Chiefs WR has a touchdown this season.

Part of why I hate Alex Smith's style of QB play, haha. He is really good at the Captain Checkdown role though, and his legs are deceptively useful at times.

 

[WanderingWind]

And where do you put somebody like Ben? In some years, he needs all the help he can get, in other years he can drop a sixer with no name fucks.

QB is the most mysterious position in the sports world.

 

[manfestival]

Also not descriptive enough and doesn't explain how absolutely horrible the division is.

Best of the worst? The Pauly Shore award winners?

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

And where do you put somebody like Ben? In some years, he needs all the help he can get, in other years he can drop a sixer with no name fucks.

QB is the most mysterious position in the sports world.

Ben is great when he wants to be. I'd put him above Cam and the like, below the elite like Peyton Brees and Rodgers.

Nah, Antonio Brown and Leveon bell are probably top 5 in their positions right now

There's no probably about it. Bell is definitely top 5 and IMO Brown is the top wideout in the league.

 

[rando14]

And where do you put somebody like Ben? In some years, he needs all the help he can get, in other years he can drop a sixer with no name fucks.

QB is the most mysterious position in the sports world.

Nah, Antonio Brown and Leveon bell are probably top 5 in their positions right now

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Also, keep in mind Cam's receiver situation is kinda his fault since he forced Steve Smith out.

He didn't force Steve Smith out.

89's on record saying their relationship was fine when they were playing together and its fine now.

David Gettleman and solely David Gettleman forced Steve Smith out.

 

[AngmarsKing701]

Pretty much everyone is a fraud this year.

That is not descriptive enough.


Also not descriptive enough and doesn't explain how absolutely horrible the division is.

Chunk of Debris That Popped Out of Dumpster Fire?

 

[Sweeney Tom]

 

[Slo]

Chunk of Debris That Popped Out of Dumpster Fire?

Speaking of dumpster fires, some shithead decided to burn down his trailer house last night. His roommate was not consulted in this decision.

White people are the worst.

 

[BigAT]

Speaking of dumpster fires, some shithead decided to burn down his trailer house last night. His roommate was not consulted in this decision.

White people are the worst.

Do you need someplace to stay?

 

[Fox318]

Speaking of dumpster fires, some shithead decided to burn down his trailer house last night. His roommate was not consulted in this decision.

White people are the worst.

Was his roommate in the trailer?

 

[rando14]

Do you need someplace to stay?

:jnc

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Haha, that guy owns a Mark Sanchez jersey! What a loser!

 

[Fox318]

Haha, that guy owns a Mark Sanchez jersey! What a loser!

Sadly that's most jets fans.

 

[bionic77]

Ben is great when he wants to be. I'd put him above Cam and the like, below the elite like Peyton Brees and Rodgers.



There's no probably about it. Bell is definitely top 5 and IMO Brown is the top wideout in the league.

Bell would be good on any team. That guy is legit.

But Brown is just another receiver in a long list of receivers that puts up numbers and produces under Ben. That is not a coincidence. Its definitely the qb more than the receiver.

Brown would be just fine with another elite qb but if you stuck him with a garbage qb his numbers would be seriously down. There are very few receivers like Megatron that anyone can throw it up to him and he will pull the ball away from 3 defenders.

 

[Slo]

Do you need someplace to stay?

Hurtful.

 

[Spinluck]

I bought Valkyria Chronicles for PC.

One of the best strategy RPGs ever.

 

[RBH]

Do you need someplace to stay?

:lol

 

[Slo]

Was his roommate in the trailer?

No, but he showed up while we were dealing with the fire. Deputies had to separate them.

 

[eznark]

It's an overly extreme strawman version of your argument. Fair enough. The only point I'm trying to make is that the other ten guys outside of the QB do matter to some degree, even with the best QB's.

Of course, the degree to which they matter varies based on the QB, and if your QB is bad enough it doesn't really matter if everyone else is good or not.

My point was that pointing to Rodgers or Brady as your argument forces me to compare Cam to those guys. Which turns it into a black and white.

A better argument would be say, Alex Smith or Joe Flacco, who are beholden to their weapons. That's totally fine. I'd put Cam in that sort of 3rd tier QB. He has the talent of an upper echelon guy but the brains of a Gabbert. He needs someone who can bail him out and he needs time to trudge through his progressions. You give him open wide outs with Hall of Fame talent like Steve Smith though and he is money (like about 50% of the other QB's in the league would be).

 

[Greg]

Do you need someplace to stay?

:jnc

 

[BannedEpisode]

Do you need someplace to stay?

Hehehe

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

I know one thing about QB's, I love watching the good ones play more than anything (other than Tammy). Even when Aaron torched the Dolphins with that beautiful TD pass to Cobb I just had to shake my head and say, "that dude can play."

Most fun to watch right now:

1. Erron to Nelson
2. Luck to whoever (Hilton?)
3. Ben to Brown
4. Peyton to the Thomas'

That's what football is all about. Give me more of that Colts/Steelers game!

 

[Bowser]

Also, keep in mind Cam's receiver situation is kinda his fault since he forced Steve Smith out.

lol yeah no:

Smith ripped Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman, too, claiming the GM told Smith when the two met he was a "shadow" of his former self and that Smith was "jealous" of Cam Newton. Smith claims he asked Gettleman if this was "about a paycut" to which Gettleman "laughed and said, "No it's not about a paycut but thanks for asking."

"He doesn't even have the cojones to tell us to our face [about the release]," Smith said. "We have to hear it from someone else. Then he calls and says it wasn't personal. If the first thing that comes out is 'well it wasn't personal,' then guess what? It was personal."

As for Cam:

Smith left Newton off his list of offenders. In fact, he had nothing bad to share about the quarterback who was reportedly “a big source of frustration.”

“Cam wrote me a letter after I was released. Cam didn’t even know I was being released. He wrote me a letter, and we text each other,” Smith said.

 

[bionic77]

I don't know if you guys saw that story in the Poconos from a month or so back when a psycho took down 2 state troopers. The guy took off in the woods but they caught him last night after 48 days.

They are going after the death penalty and I hope they get it.

Fuck snipers.

 

[Milchjon]

Why are gaming writers trying to suck up to GAF?

 

[jakncoke]

Speaking of dumpster fires, some shithead decided to burn down his trailer house last night. His roommate was not consulted in this decision.

White people are the worst.

Meth decisions

 

[RellyRell28]

So I just started Hyrule Warriors and completed the first level and to my surprise there's voice acting. It's just the narrator though. It caught me of guard though.

 

[Milchjon]

I don't know if you guys saw that story in the Poconos from a month or so back when a psycho took down 2 state troopers. The guy took off in the woods but they caught him last night after 48 days.

They are going after the death penalty and I hope they get it.

Fuck snipers.

Some hippie liberal you are...

 

[Kave_Man]

Joel Bitonio for OROY!

 

[bionic77]

I know one thing about QB's, I love watching the good ones play more than anything (other than Tammy). Even when Aaron torched the Dolphins with that beautiful TD pass to Cobb I just had to shake my head and say, "that dude can play."

Most fun to watch right now:

1. Erron to Nelson
2. Luck to whoever (Hilton?)
3. Ben to Brown
4. Peyton to the Thomas'

That's what football is all about. Give me more of that Colts/Steelers game!

Ugh that game was horrible.

It was fun to watch as a Steelers fan but I can't take a game seriously when they don't play any defense.

 

[Spinluck]

Why are gaming writers trying to suck up to GAF?

Seriously, if I was a game writer (I prefer an actual job) I'd go full heel and make GAF hate me. Then read the threads that hate on me after I say something like "the Oculus Rift is fucking dumb and a TV will always be better."

The James Cameron thread was amazing. He says he doesn't think VR tech has a use right now and they go attacking his success lol.

 

[Himynameischris]

Those AM Crunchwraps from taco bell are really good

 

[chuckddd]

I don't know if you guys saw that story in the Poconos from a month or so back when a psycho took down 2 state troopers. The guy took off in the woods but they caught him last night after 48 days.

They are going after the death penalty and I hope they get it.

Fuck snipers.

Wouldn't it be nice if people could hunt cops down in a similar manner when they commit murder. You know, rather than giving them a paid vacation.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Ugh that game was horrible.

It was fun to watch as a Steelers fan but I can't take a game seriously when they don't play any defense.

I appreciate a good old fashioned defensive slugfest but it will never be as entertaining as a game like that.

 

[eznark]

Wouldn't it be nice if people could hunt cops down in a similar manner when they commit murder. You know, rather than giving them a paid vacation.

I can't remember the last time that would've been necessary. Every cop who shoots someone immediately surrenders their weapon and goes on paid leave. Not a lot of fun hunting involved when you just show up at the guys house and he is there.

 

[bionic77]

Wouldn't it be nice if people could hunt cops down in a similar manner when they commit murder. You know, rather than giving them a paid vacation.

Thats crazy talk.

I appreciate a good old fashioned defensive slugfest but it will never be as entertaining as a game like that.

So is this.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

So is this.

So I guess that Dolphins/Steelers 0-3 OT game was the highlight of football for you.

I don't mind a good defense but I love a QB who is good enough to make them look bad. I'm not saying I want the NFL to turn into college football, but that Ben to Brown connection is just too good! You can't deny it!

 

[JABEE]

Wouldn't it be nice if people could hunt cops down in a similar manner when they commit murder. You know, rather than giving them a paid vacation.

What?

 

[rando14]

So I guess that Dolphins/Steelers 0-3 OT game was the highlight of football for you.

I don't mind a good defense but I love a QB who is good enough to make them look bad. I'm not saying I want the NFL to turn into college football, but that Ben to Brown connection is just too good! You can't deny it!

I think my fave game this year is still SEA-DEN. Great blend of offense and defense, PLUS a crazy last-minute TD drive, holy yowza wowza!!

 

[bionic77]

So I guess that Dolphins/Steelers 0-3 OT game was the highlight of football for you.

I don't mind a good defense but I love a QB who is good enough to make them look bad. I'm not saying I want the NFL to turn into college football, but that Ben to Brown connection is just too good! You can't deny it!

I don't want to see incompetence on either side of the ball.

I don't want to see a 0-0 tie because neither team can execute on offense.

But I also don't want to see a 50 point explosion because one side is not playing any defense. I mean on 98% of those pass plays no one was anywhere near Ben. That is just not fun to watch.

I would always prefer to see teams execute on both offense and defense. It is fun seeing the defense make plays too. Whether it be in a sack, blowing up a run play, or making a play on the ball.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

I don't want to see incompetence on either side of the ball.

I don't want to see a 0-0 tie because neither team can execute on offense.

But I also don't want to see a 50 point explosion because one side is not playing any defense. I mean on 98% of those pass plays no one was anywhere near Ben. That is just not fun to watch.

I would always prefer to see teams execute on both offense and defense. It is fun seeing the defense make plays too. Whether it be in a sack, blowing up a run play, or making a play on the ball.

Okay, I'm with you. That game was still incredibly entertaining, though. But you're right, a nice back and forth struggle is ideal.

 

[Fox318]

No, but he showed up while we were dealing with the fire. Deputies had to separate them.

Who the fuck has a roommate in a trailer?