I was super pissed about the game and reading that I cared a lot less. I just hope Randall is okay, fucking hell.
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NFL 2015 Divisional |OT| - A Fraud Divided
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I was super pissed about the game and reading that I cared a lot less. I just hope Randall is okay, fucking hell.
Sweeney Tom
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1) "The rules should change"
- The losers, every time
2)
- The losers, every time
2)
Just let the Packers get the next Mike Mularkey so he can learn.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Good luck
FloydtheFathead
Member
Luck.. In my experience there's no such thing.
The Albatross
Member
Yeah, people forget who you're hiring when you dump a solid coach.
If you want to fire Mike McCarthy, who do you hire in his place? Jim Tomsula, Joe Philbin, Mike Pettine?
Are they improvements?
Perfect.
I don't remember any of these Packers fans saying the rule should change 3 weeks ago when Belichick opted to kick against the Jets instead of receive. No, everybody said "Belichick you idiot, receive the ball and give it to Brady." Back then, it was Belichick being arrogant and an idiot, not the NFL rules needing to be changed.
If you want to fire Mike McCarthy, who do you hire in his place? Jim Tomsula, Joe Philbin, Mike Pettine?
Are they improvements?
1) "The rules should change"
- The losers, every time
2)
Perfect.
I don't remember any of these Packers fans saying the rule should change 3 weeks ago when Belichick opted to kick against the Jets instead of receive. No, everybody said "Belichick you idiot, receive the ball and give it to Brady." Back then, it was Belichick being arrogant and an idiot, not the NFL rules needing to be changed.
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You have better odds on a 2 point conversion than you do in OT. it's that simple. Shit happens in OT. See Tebow/Steelers. You play to win the game.
Palmer needs to thank Larry for bailing his ass out. He was terrible all game, and I think the winner of Carolina vs Seahawks is going to the super bowl.
Second I saw Mathews talk about that I started laughing. Losers gonna lose.
1) "The rules should change"
- The losers, every time
2)
Second I saw Mathews talk about that I started laughing. Losers gonna lose.
FloydtheFathead
Member
Hue needs to call Boban.
Agree, also hope Cobb is ok. Scary stuff.
Himynameischris
Member
Well 1/2 ain't bad. Sorry Packers gaf but I like the teams that have never won a SB
DeaconKnowledge
Member
A lot of gameday coaching is mitigating criticism rather than actually going for the win.
It's not surprising considering how many people want to fire coaches for silly shit like when they called a time out. Who the hell is going to risk going for 2 and failing. Mike Shanahan did it, can't really think of anyone else.
FloydtheFathead
Member
I agree friend.
Nfl 2 point conversion rate hovers at about 50%
Coin flip is 50%
Not saying that teams shouldn't go for it, but statistically it's a wash.
WesternHeretic
Member
Fucking Floyd you joined the dark side didnt you?
Rando was right about you! I defended you!
The Albatross
Member
I think you're wrong there but I don't fault your sentinment (if I were a GB fan, I'd want them to go for 2 in retrospect)
Odds of a 2point conversion are 47.9% (according to some top google website). Your odds of winning in playoff overtime are 50% -- One team wins, one team loses, every time. So strictly by odds, going to overtime is 2.1% higher likelihood of a win than going for 2 (assuming that an extra point is ~99%, which historically it has been although this year not quite but in this case it doesnt matter, kicker made the XP)
Your odds of losing the coin toss AND losing in overtime are significant lower than 47%. The coin toss is 50% and then winning after losing the coin toss is 46.2%, so the odds of BOTH of those things happening is appreciably less than 47.9%.
But I get the sentiment and I agree with you in retrospect... play to win when you have the chance.
Love how Matthews is just left chasing Fitz's fumes. Minnesota native just loves to play the Packers.
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So what if they fail. They shouldn't have even been in that situation to have an opportunity to win anyways. So much plays into OT. Coin Flip, Bogus Penalties, Nerves, Blown assignments, Miraculous plays, etc.
The Pack had an opportunity where their 100 million dollar QB would have the ball in his hands for 1 play to score from two yards out. They should take that every time. Instead they put their faith in possibly some back up corner back.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Fuck all of the people ragging on McCarthy, the packers and patriots are the only 2 teams consistently in the playoffs every single year. The man has done amazing. We almost took down what some feel is the best team in the nfl right now. He's a good coach and has done an amazing job keeping the team together.
No one thinks the Cardinals are the best team.
Himynameischris
Member
lol was this posted?
I would if honey badger was out there!
DeaconKnowledge
Member
You're lucky Eznark is avoiding this thread right now, you'd be in so much trouble.
Bluekaveli
Member
They are
The Albatross
Member
I get the sentiment wanting to go for 2... but I don't think you can fault the coach for taking the sure thing, rather than the less likely risk. There is still a higher likelihood that you fail a 2point version than you succeed, while an extra point is still 99%+ good. SO you can't fault McCarthy too much for going with the higher likelihood of success.
That said, if I were a packers fan especially now, I wold have wanted the 2 pt conversion. Still I would have shit my pants at the time.
They're up there.
I'd say:
Panthers > Cards > Pats > Seahawks > Denver > Pittsburgh for who's left. But, Panthers and Cards aren't a big difference for me right now. Hell, Cards have won a playoff game.
That said, if I were a packers fan especially now, I wold have wanted the 2 pt conversion. Still I would have shit my pants at the time.
They're up there.
I'd say:
Panthers > Cards > Pats > Seahawks > Denver > Pittsburgh for who's left. But, Panthers and Cards aren't a big difference for me right now. Hell, Cards have won a playoff game.
Elfforkusu
Member
They probably are, depending on your feelings about Carolina
Pagusas
Elden Member
Not true at all. Anyalist all over are debating Cards or Panthers.
Digital-Hero
Member
The NFC West owns the Packers.
Go Hawks for tomorrow.
Go Hawks for tomorrow.
The Albatross
Member
Most important thing in Pats/KC tonight: Brady kept completely clean in the pocket.
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Two Point Attempts Two Points Made
1 Pittsburgh Steelers 11 8
2 Green Bay Packers 6 4
3 Tennessee Titans 5 3
66.67%
100 million dollar QB. Instead rely on a rookie possibly covering Fitz. It's so asinine.
The NFC West owns the Packers.
Go Hawks for tomorrow.
The Packers are always insanely mediocre outside of Rodgers. Any well put team together will beat them. And Rodgers isn't good enough to overcome the Packer's many weaknesses.
I think McCarthy did a fantastic job getting the Packers ready for this game. They really shored up the protections and the defense played well enough to win.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
The Albatross
Member
Are you saying those were the only 2 point conversions this season ...?
Historically, the 2 point conversion rate is just under 50%. 47.9% or whatever I had up there. These stats are easily found online.
It's hard for other teams to make the playoffs when the Pats are so good every year. Thank you for the compliment!
Definitely good to see, but going from a Chiefs pass rush missing Houston and a healthy Hali to Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware will be a big leap in difficulty.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
I think McCarthy did a fantastic job getting the Packers ready for this game. They really shored up the protections and the defense played well enough to win.
Just sayin'.
No. Tomlin is terrible and needs to be fired. His timeout game is awful.
It's around 50% going back to 2010.
you wish that was an accurate evaluation of long term failure in the AFCE, outside of the pats.
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this year. and you are not factoring in a aaron freaking rogers who is 4/6. Better QBs are better at 2 point conversions. Pitt 8/11. GB 4/6. Tenn 3/5. So what if history states 50/50. History is also filled with a lot of terrible QBs and countless teams that never practiced going for two on a regular occasion.
I'm not talking about the NYJ and Fitzpatrick.
Could we at least play the game before we throw dirt on the lifeless corpse that is the Steelers?
Check the Pats record against teams outside the afc east then try and make that argument
I said the rest of the AFCE sucked besides the pats. I never said the pats sucked. No competition does help.
A lot of that had to do with how quickly he got rid of the ball, but there were some key third downs the oline kept him clean long enough to find someone. Pretty solid game for them today. Hopefully they can build on this game.
Especially since Manning is starting. Tons of people are suddenly believing he's a changed qb, but I am not one of those people. He was literally the single worst qb in the NFL this season when he started. He can quite easily lose the Broncos the game today.
The Albatross
Member
Ok, so aside from cherry picking stats, then well for the sake of argument, wouldn't this also extend to Aaron Rodger's chances in overtime...? A QB who is arguably more successful in OT than NYJ and Fitzpatrick ... ?
I get it and sympathize with you but, no, you're statistically wrong about going for 2 versus going to overtime, and no, McCarthy should not be fired for it. But I still sympathize with the point of view.
I think it's overstated that there's no competition in the AFC East. NYJ, Miami, and Buffalo are about as good as any team in the AFC South this year, or NFC South last year, or NFC East this year, or NFC West 3 years ago, etc. It's just that there's one really good team every year in the AFC East. so unlike the AFC South this year (Houston division winner at 9-7), NFC South last year (Carolina division winner at 7-9?), NFC West a few years back (Seahawks at 8-8?), and NFC EAst this year (Reskins at 9-7?), those Jets teams who go 10-6 (2015) or Bills teams who go 9-7 (2014) or Dolphins teams who go 8-8 (2014), those would all be playoff teams in a handful of other divisions in the league each year.
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