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NFL 2015 Week 1 |OT| - A Fraud’s Quest for Gold

RBH

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https://twitter.com/JennaLaineBucs/status/641708418248667137?lang=en
 

cdyhybrid

Member
Maybe you'll see it someday. How many Seahwaks have been suspended for taking PEDs? Cheaters are slanting the playing field.

That's an interesting question! Let's investigate.

These are the players suspended for violating the substance policy (both substance abuse and PEDs) since the Seahawks won the Super Bowl:

Code:
February 19, 2014 	Indefinite
(later reinstated in May 2015)[364] 	Fred Davis 	TE 	Washington Redskins 	[365]
April 4, 2014 	4 games 	Jake Knott 	LB 	Philadelphia Eagles 	[366]
April 8, 2014 	4 games 	Brandon Moore 	DE 	Washington Redskins 	[367]
April 21, 2014 	4 games 	Brian Tyms 	WR 	New England Patriots 	[368]
May 2, 2014 	4 games 	Frank Alexander 	DE 	Carolina Panthers 	[369]
May 12, 2014 	4 games (Later overturned)[370] 	Stedman Bailey 	WR 	St. Louis Rams 	[371]
May 16, 2014 	4 games 	Robert Mathis 	LB 	Indianapolis Colts 	[372]
May 21, 2014 	1 game 	Marlon Moore 	WR 	Cleveland Browns 	[373]
May 30, 2014 	Entire 2014 season 	Daryl Washington 	LB 	Arizona Cardinals 	[374]
May 30, 2014 	6 games 	Will Hill 	SS 	New York Giants 	[375]
June 4, 2014 	4 games 	Jayron Hosley 	CB 	New York Giants 	[376]
July 3, 2014 	4 games 	Rokevious Watkins 	OT 	Kansas City Chiefs 	[377]
July 3, 2014 	4 games 	Dion Jordan 	DE 	Miami Dolphins 	[378]
July 3, 2014 	Entire 2014 season
(later changed to 10 games)[370] 	LaVon Brazill 	WR 	Indianapolis Colts 	[379]
July 9, 2014 	Indefinite 	Tanard Jackson 	FS 	Washington Redskins 	[380]
July 11, 2014 	4 games 	Spencer Nealy 	DE 	Minnesota Vikings 	[381]
July 22, 2014 	4 games 	Ace Sanders 	WR 	Jacksonville Jaguars 	[382]
July 23, 2014 	4 games 	Lane Johnson 	OT 	Philadelphia Eagles 	[383]
July 30, 2014 	1 game 	Nigel Bradham 	LB 	Buffalo Bills 	[384]
July 30, 2014 	2 games 	Chris Lewis-Harris 	CB 	Cincinnati Bengals 	[385]
August 8, 2014 	4 games 	Eric Herman 	OG 	New York Giants 	[386]
August 8, 2014 	4 games 	Reshad Jones 	FS 	Miami Dolphins 	[387]
August 11, 2014 	4 games (Later overturned)[370] 	Orlando Scandrick 	CB 	Dallas Cowboys 	[388]
August 15, 2014 	1 game 	Dwayne Bowe 	WR 	Kansas City Chiefs 	[389]
August 22, 2014 	4 games 	Donald Stephenson 	OL 	Kansas City Chiefs 	[390]
August 23, 2014 	4 games 	Matt Prater 	K 	Denver Broncos 	[391]
August 27, 2014 	Entire 2014 season
(later changed to 10 games)[370] 	Josh Gordon 	WR 	Cleveland Browns 	[392]
August 29, 2014 	9 games 	Aldon Smith 	OLB 	San Francisco 49ers 	[393]
August 29, 2014 	4 games 	Jakar Hamilton 	FS 	Dallas Cowboys 	[394]
August 29, 2014 	3 games 	Jerome Simpson 	WR 	Minnesota Vikings 	[395]
September 2, 2014 	4 games (Later overturned)[370] 	Wes Welker 	WR 	Denver Broncos 	[396]
September 4, 2014 	8 games 	Andre Brown 	RB 	Free agent 	[397]
September 4, 2014 	4 games 	Erin Henderson 	LB 	Free agent 	[397]
September 5, 2014 	4 games 	D.C. Jefferson 	TE 	Carolina Panthers 	[398]
September 19, 2014 	4 games 	Dion Jordan 	DE 	Miami Dolphins 	[399]
September 29, 2014 	4 games 	LaRon Landry 	FS 	Indianapolis Colts 	[400]
October 1, 2014 	10 games 	Frank Alexander 	DE 	Carolina Panthers 	[401]
October 15, 2014 	2 games 	Jorvorskie Lane 	FB 	Tampa Bay Buccaneers 	[402]
October 21, 2014 	2 games 	Da'Quan Bowers 	DE 	Tampa Bay Buccaneers 	[403]
December 4, 2014 	4 games 	Haloti Ngata 	DT 	Baltimore Ravens 	[404]
December 17, 2014 	4 games 	Craig Watts 	OG 	San Diego Chargers 	[405]
February 3, 2015 	Entire 2015 season 	Josh Gordon 	WR 	Cleveland Browns 	[406]
March 7, 2015 	10 games 	LaRon Landry 	FS 	Free agent 	[407]
April 7, 2015 	1 game 	LeGarrette Blount 	RB 	New England Patriots 	[408]
April 9, 2015 	3 games
(later reduced to 2 games)[409] 	Le'Veon Bell 	RB 	Pittsburgh Steelers 	[410]
April 13, 2015 	4 games 	Victor Butler 	LB 	New York Giants 	[411]
April 13, 2015 	4 games 	Eben Britton 	OL 	Free agent 	[412]
April 28, 2015 	Entire 2015 season 	Dion Jordan 	DE 	Miami Dolphins 	[413]
May 21, 2015 	1 game 	Marcell Dareus 	DT 	Buffalo Bills 	[414]
May 29, 2015 	4 games 	Trey Watts 	RB 	St. Louis Rams 	[415]
June 22, 2015 	1 game 	Ahmad Bradshaw 	RB 	Free agent 	[416]
June 29, 2015 	4 games 	Kyle Knox 	LB 	Free agent 	[417]
July 2, 2015 	4 games 	Sheldon Richardson 	DE 	New York Jets 	[418]
July 2, 2015 	4 games 	Rolando McClain 	LB 	Dallas Cowboys 	[419]
July 2, 2015 	1 game 	Datone Jones 	DE 	Green Bay Packers 	[420]
July 2, 2015 	4 games 	Antonio Gates 	TE 	San Diego Chargers 	[421]
July 13, 2015 	4 games 	Jarrett Bush 	CB 	Free agent 	[422]
July 13, 2015 	10 games 	Jakar Hamilton 	FS 	Free agent 	[422]
July 13, 2015 	10 games 	Loucheiz Purifoy 	CB 	Free agent 	[422]
July 13, 2015 	1 game 	Quentin Hines 	RB 	Free agent 	[422]
July 23, 2015 	3 games 	Letroy Guion 	DT 	Green Bay Packers 	[423]
July 24, 2015 	3 games 	Sean Smith 	CB 	Kansas City Chiefs 	[424]
July 24, 2015 	4 games 	Derek Wolfe 	DE 	Denver Broncos 	[425]
July 24, 2015 	2 games 	Jabari Price 	CB 	Minnesota Vikings 	[426]
July 31, 2015 	1 game 	Bashaud Breeland 	CB 	Washington Redskins 	[427]
August 3, 2015 	10 games 	Ace Sanders 	WR 	Free agent 	[428]
August 11, 2015 	3 games 	Bobby Massie 	OT 	Arizona Cardinals 	[429]
August 13, 2015 	2 games 	Da'Rick Rogers 	WR 	Free agent 	[430]
August 17, 2015 	4 games 	Ryan Seymour 	OG 	Cleveland Browns 	[431]
August 17, 2015 	1 game 	Akeem Spence 	DT 	Tampa Bay Buccaneers 	[432]
August 18, 2015 	6 games 	Jerome Simpson 	WR 	San Francisco 49ers 	[433]
August 20, 2015 	1 game 	Oday Aboushi 	OG 	New York Jets 	[434]
August 21, 2015 	10 games 	Jarrett Bush 	CB 	Free agent 	[435]
August 24, 2015 	3 games 	Jeremiah Ratliff 	DT 	Chicago Bears 	[436]
August 27, 2015 	4 games 	Martavis Bryant 	WR 	Pittsburgh Steelers 	[437]
August 28, 2015 	4 games 	R. J. Dill 	OL 	Dallas Cowboys 	[438]

Now, my search function may be malfunctioning, but based on my count, that figure turns out to be zero.

I do see Santa Clara in there a few times though!
 
That's an interesting question! Let's investigate.

These are the players suspended for violating the substance policy (both substance abuse and PEDs) since the Seahawks won the Super Bowl:

Code:
February 19, 2014 	Indefinite
(later reinstated in May 2015)[364] 	Fred Davis 	TE 	Washington Redskins 	[365]
April 4, 2014 	4 games 	Jake Knott 	LB 	Philadelphia Eagles 	[366]
April 8, 2014 	4 games 	Brandon Moore 	DE 	Washington Redskins 	[367]
April 21, 2014 	4 games 	Brian Tyms 	WR 	New England Patriots 	[368]
May 2, 2014 	4 games 	Frank Alexander 	DE 	Carolina Panthers 	[369]
May 12, 2014 	4 games (Later overturned)[370] 	Stedman Bailey 	WR 	St. Louis Rams 	[371]
May 16, 2014 	4 games 	Robert Mathis 	LB 	Indianapolis Colts 	[372]
May 21, 2014 	1 game 	Marlon Moore 	WR 	Cleveland Browns 	[373]
May 30, 2014 	Entire 2014 season 	Daryl Washington 	LB 	Arizona Cardinals 	[374]
May 30, 2014 	6 games 	Will Hill 	SS 	New York Giants 	[375]
June 4, 2014 	4 games 	Jayron Hosley 	CB 	New York Giants 	[376]
July 3, 2014 	4 games 	Rokevious Watkins 	OT 	Kansas City Chiefs 	[377]
July 3, 2014 	4 games 	Dion Jordan 	DE 	Miami Dolphins 	[378]
July 3, 2014 	Entire 2014 season
(later changed to 10 games)[370] 	LaVon Brazill 	WR 	Indianapolis Colts 	[379]
July 9, 2014 	Indefinite 	Tanard Jackson 	FS 	Washington Redskins 	[380]
July 11, 2014 	4 games 	Spencer Nealy 	DE 	Minnesota Vikings 	[381]
July 22, 2014 	4 games 	Ace Sanders 	WR 	Jacksonville Jaguars 	[382]
July 23, 2014 	4 games 	Lane Johnson 	OT 	Philadelphia Eagles 	[383]
July 30, 2014 	1 game 	Nigel Bradham 	LB 	Buffalo Bills 	[384]
July 30, 2014 	2 games 	Chris Lewis-Harris 	CB 	Cincinnati Bengals 	[385]
August 8, 2014 	4 games 	Eric Herman 	OG 	New York Giants 	[386]
August 8, 2014 	4 games 	Reshad Jones 	FS 	Miami Dolphins 	[387]
August 11, 2014 	4 games (Later overturned)[370] 	Orlando Scandrick 	CB 	Dallas Cowboys 	[388]
August 15, 2014 	1 game 	Dwayne Bowe 	WR 	Kansas City Chiefs 	[389]
August 22, 2014 	4 games 	Donald Stephenson 	OL 	Kansas City Chiefs 	[390]
August 23, 2014 	4 games 	Matt Prater 	K 	Denver Broncos 	[391]
August 27, 2014 	Entire 2014 season
(later changed to 10 games)[370] 	Josh Gordon 	WR 	Cleveland Browns 	[392]
August 29, 2014 	9 games 	Aldon Smith 	OLB 	San Francisco 49ers 	[393]
August 29, 2014 	4 games 	Jakar Hamilton 	FS 	Dallas Cowboys 	[394]
August 29, 2014 	3 games 	Jerome Simpson 	WR 	Minnesota Vikings 	[395]
September 2, 2014 	4 games (Later overturned)[370] 	Wes Welker 	WR 	Denver Broncos 	[396]
September 4, 2014 	8 games 	Andre Brown 	RB 	Free agent 	[397]
September 4, 2014 	4 games 	Erin Henderson 	LB 	Free agent 	[397]
September 5, 2014 	4 games 	D.C. Jefferson 	TE 	Carolina Panthers 	[398]
September 19, 2014 	4 games 	Dion Jordan 	DE 	Miami Dolphins 	[399]
September 29, 2014 	4 games 	LaRon Landry 	FS 	Indianapolis Colts 	[400]
October 1, 2014 	10 games 	Frank Alexander 	DE 	Carolina Panthers 	[401]
October 15, 2014 	2 games 	Jorvorskie Lane 	FB 	Tampa Bay Buccaneers 	[402]
October 21, 2014 	2 games 	Da'Quan Bowers 	DE 	Tampa Bay Buccaneers 	[403]
December 4, 2014 	4 games 	Haloti Ngata 	DT 	Baltimore Ravens 	[404]
December 17, 2014 	4 games 	Craig Watts 	OG 	San Diego Chargers 	[405]
February 3, 2015 	Entire 2015 season 	Josh Gordon 	WR 	Cleveland Browns 	[406]
March 7, 2015 	10 games 	LaRon Landry 	FS 	Free agent 	[407]
April 7, 2015 	1 game 	LeGarrette Blount 	RB 	New England Patriots 	[408]
April 9, 2015 	3 games
(later reduced to 2 games)[409] 	Le'Veon Bell 	RB 	Pittsburgh Steelers 	[410]
April 13, 2015 	4 games 	Victor Butler 	LB 	New York Giants 	[411]
April 13, 2015 	4 games 	Eben Britton 	OL 	Free agent 	[412]
April 28, 2015 	Entire 2015 season 	Dion Jordan 	DE 	Miami Dolphins 	[413]
May 21, 2015 	1 game 	Marcell Dareus 	DT 	Buffalo Bills 	[414]
May 29, 2015 	4 games 	Trey Watts 	RB 	St. Louis Rams 	[415]
June 22, 2015 	1 game 	Ahmad Bradshaw 	RB 	Free agent 	[416]
June 29, 2015 	4 games 	Kyle Knox 	LB 	Free agent 	[417]
July 2, 2015 	4 games 	Sheldon Richardson 	DE 	New York Jets 	[418]
July 2, 2015 	4 games 	Rolando McClain 	LB 	Dallas Cowboys 	[419]
July 2, 2015 	1 game 	Datone Jones 	DE 	Green Bay Packers 	[420]
July 2, 2015 	4 games 	Antonio Gates 	TE 	San Diego Chargers 	[421]
July 13, 2015 	4 games 	Jarrett Bush 	CB 	Free agent 	[422]
July 13, 2015 	10 games 	Jakar Hamilton 	FS 	Free agent 	[422]
July 13, 2015 	10 games 	Loucheiz Purifoy 	CB 	Free agent 	[422]
July 13, 2015 	1 game 	Quentin Hines 	RB 	Free agent 	[422]
July 23, 2015 	3 games 	Letroy Guion 	DT 	Green Bay Packers 	[423]
July 24, 2015 	3 games 	Sean Smith 	CB 	Kansas City Chiefs 	[424]
July 24, 2015 	4 games 	Derek Wolfe 	DE 	Denver Broncos 	[425]
July 24, 2015 	2 games 	Jabari Price 	CB 	Minnesota Vikings 	[426]
July 31, 2015 	1 game 	Bashaud Breeland 	CB 	Washington Redskins 	[427]
August 3, 2015 	10 games 	Ace Sanders 	WR 	Free agent 	[428]
August 11, 2015 	3 games 	Bobby Massie 	OT 	Arizona Cardinals 	[429]
August 13, 2015 	2 games 	Da'Rick Rogers 	WR 	Free agent 	[430]
August 17, 2015 	4 games 	Ryan Seymour 	OG 	Cleveland Browns 	[431]
August 17, 2015 	1 game 	Akeem Spence 	DT 	Tampa Bay Buccaneers 	[432]
August 18, 2015 	6 games 	Jerome Simpson 	WR 	San Francisco 49ers 	[433]
August 20, 2015 	1 game 	Oday Aboushi 	OG 	New York Jets 	[434]
August 21, 2015 	10 games 	Jarrett Bush 	CB 	Free agent 	[435]
August 24, 2015 	3 games 	Jeremiah Ratliff 	DT 	Chicago Bears 	[436]
August 27, 2015 	4 games 	Martavis Bryant 	WR 	Pittsburgh Steelers 	[437]
August 28, 2015 	4 games 	R. J. Dill 	OL 	Dallas Cowboys 	[438]

Now, my search function may be malfunctioning, but based on my count, that figure turns out to be zero.

I do see Santa Clara in there a few times though!

1) you cheated by using PEDs AND substance abuse!
2) who is aldon smith??
3) jerroooooome! simpson was suspended for something he did when he was on the vikings!

#AboveReproach
#HarbaughWasRight
#JedYorkIsAStupidAssBitch
 

cdyhybrid

Member
How about before the Super Bowl?

I dunno, but you'd think that if a team were juiced to the gills in the Super Bowl they'd be testing positive shortly afterward!

I'm no pharmacist or PED user, though. Maybe we should ask someone with more experience. Someone like Eric Wright. Or Larry Grant.

Richard Sherman backing up the Pats. I didn't say I expected to read those comments.

Of course a player would. If I were a player, I'd be happy to know that I could cheat my ass off, get caught, and walk away clean if all I had to do was take the league to court.

That peace of mind must be great for a player to have.
 
As we embark on another NFL season, let me remind yall of this year's Grover's Annual Bet To End in Disaster and Infamy

Sure.

If the Pats make the playoffs, I'll wear the avatar of GAF's choice from Super Bowl 50 to Super Bowl 51

That's right. If the Pats win the division or make the wild card, I lose.

Dolphins, Imma need yall to come through for me.
Bills, Imma need yall to raise hell.

Jets, Imma need yall to...just don't be fuck ups.

Time for picks.

PIT @ NE - The axis of evil continues to turn. Steelers have no defense against the Wicked. Steelers also just have no defense.

IND @ BUF - Andy Luck's coronation begins in a tough road game against Rex
CLE @ NYJ - I'm legally obligated to pick someone to win this game. I flipped a coin
_______________________
CAR @ JAX - Not a joke pick. Not a reverse jinx. I legitimately expect to lose to the Jaguars. Why? They have a really tough defense, the benefit of being used to playing muggy September days in Florida and no expectations. All the pressure's on the Panthers to get out to a quick start with this schedule. I don't think they meet the challenge this week.
__________________________

GB @ CHI - Aaron Rodgers' plays inspired by Greg's favorite actress Olivia Munn
KC @ HOU - It's that part of the Texans Cycle.
MIA @ WAS - Not even that the Dolphins are that good (and they are). It's just the Washington NFL franchise is biggest dumpster fire since....well yesterday in Detroit.
SEA @ STL - St. Louis plays this one tough as they always do, but Seattle has too much enhanced performance, I mean talent.

DET @ SD - I picked the Lions once. Yall see what happened.
NO @ ARI - New look ground and pound Saints catch the Cards by surprise
BAL @ DEN - It's that part of the Peyton Cycle
CIN @ OAK - It's that part of the Dalton Cycle
TEN @ TB - [INSERT UNSAVORY JAMEIS WINSTON JOKE HERE]

NYG @ DAL - We have to build Eli up for the Super Bowl run. That means an 8-8 season marked by ups and downs where they barely sneak into the playoffs. They start on a down in Dallas.

PHI @ ATL - Birds of Prey meet in Atlanta. Sam Bradford Injury Forecast : 70% of slight bruise. 25% of broken finger or two. 5 % of season ending knee injury.
MIN @ SF - BLUDGEON. BLUDGEON. BLUDGEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOONNNNNNNNN
 

cdyhybrid

Member

Ah. He's mostly right. As he mentioned in your link, the punishment for Tammy would have been more severe than the fine for the team, which isn't right.

As we all know, Belichick and Kraft are the masterminds behind the cheating, Tammy is just the fall guy. Belichick and Kraft definitely should have been punished more.

Like Richard Sherman did? You're really throwing a lot of rocks in that glass house.

Richard Sherman has never been punished for breaking a league rule (and thus would have had no reason to ever take the NFL to court), so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
 

Gigglepoo

Member
Of course a player would. If I were a player, I'd be happy to know that I could cheat my ass off, get caught, and walk away clean if all I had to do was take the league to court.

That peace of mind must be great for a player to have.

Like Richard Sherman did? You're really throwing a lot of rocks in that glass house.
 
Rand Getlin ✔ @Rand_Getlin
After making substantial progress, I'm told Luke Kuechly and the #Panthers are closing in on a contract extension.


Baby Brian was on some bullshit at the beginning of last season (but the whole defense was so...), but when's he's on and when he's right, he's still the best 4-3 ILB in football.
 

cdyhybrid

Member
Rand Getlin ✔ @Rand_Getlin
After making substantial progress, I'm told Luke Kuechly and the #Panthers are closing in on a contract extension.


Baby Brian was on some bullshit at the beginning of last season (but the whole defense was so...), but when's he's on and when he's right, he's still the best 4-3 ILB in football.

About to get paid. RIP cap space.
 

LJ11

Member

Question, has the NFL always had a bit of QB problem? There aren't enough quality QBs right now, the good ones are aging and the league relies more than ever on the position, but when you think about it there were never enough quality QBs in the past either. Back in the 80's and early 90's you could dink and dunk, pound the rock, play great/good defense and that was enough to compete. League's changed, few teams can do that these days. Teams like the Bucs, Hawks, Steelers, Ravens are rare. They didn't have a generational QB when they won (Burger turned into one), but they had generational Defenses. We've had 2 excellent QB drafts in the last 30 years or so, every couple of years we pull out a good talent, but it's one guy, two tops.

I've been thinking about this topic a lot, the game in general. The quality, for me, has gone down. Last year was garbage, I enjoyed the college game more because I know what I'm signing up for when I watch CFB. Fans gravitating towards the NFL do it because of social aspects, you can get together with your buds, barely pay attention and enjoy yourself. Fantasy football has drawn in a ton a fans. So many of my friends that gave zero shits about this sport a decade, now can't wait for Sunday strictly due to to fantasy. They don't watch the games, they watch scoreboards and their iphones.

I like what Les Snead said, adapt or die. Whaley talks about QB IQ, but he drafted EJ who has no IQ on the football field. EJ may be able to point out the mike, some teams have the Center call the protection anyway, he may know what an under front is, may know what pattern reads to look for on paper against X coverage, but get him on the field and he processes information at a snails pace. Why did these GMs shun Wilson and Bridgewater? IF it's about intelligence then why were these guys passed up? They probably have it in the classroom and on the field, but they were passed up. Why? Old dogs, most GMs fall back on measurables. They all want 6'4", with huge hands, big arms, large frames that can take hits even though you can't touch QBs these days.

Development is a huge issue, if you're not starting by year 2 you're a bust. There's not enough practice time to develop these guys, it's not exclusive to the QB position either. If you draft a guy in the second or later you have 4 years of control, if he gets injured or needs some grooming you have no room for error. If he does develop late, he'll get tagged, but you'll never take advantage of his cost controlled years because you were still getting him up to speed. You spent the low cost years trying to turn him into a viable player, as soon as he turns into one you're paying a premium price for his services. This is the opposite of NHL/MLB. Bad MLB teams didn't/don't spend enough on their minor league teams, an area where they should spend the majority of their money/efforts. It's not because they didn't chase the big FA's like the Yanks, they neglected their farm teams. We all know how the NFL can correct the development issue, we also know they probably won't come after CFB.

So many bad owners, bad front offices, lots of bad, some good. I can talk about this stuff for hours, don't want to bore you guys. Easier to talk about these things over a few cold ones than to sit down and write it all out. Not enough time to gather all of my thoughts and post them in a coherent way. Topic deserved a response, a rare football topic that we can discuss for a change.

tldr ENJOY THE FOOTBALL SEASON! Go Bills!
 

bionic77

Member
Wow I forgot how cheeseball the ending of He Man was.

That said why can't we have movies with as much sugar and awesomeness as the endings of a good 80s movie? I just want to feel good walking out of a movie theater again!
 
Colbert still has it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zjVUZA7rY

Question, has the NFL always had a bit of QB problem? There aren't enough quality QBs right now, the good ones are aging and the league relies more than ever on the position, but when you think about it there were never enough quality QBs in the past either. Back in the 80's and early 90's you could dink and dunk, pound the rock, play great/good defense and that was enough to compete. League's changed, few teams can do that these days. Teams like the Bucs, Hawks, Steelers, Ravens are rare. They didn't have a generational QB when they won (Burger turned into one), but they had generational Defenses. We've had 2 excellent QB drafts in the last 30 years or so, every couple of years we pull out a good talent, but it's one guy, two tops.

I've been thinking about this topic a lot, the game in general. The quality, for me, has gone down. Last year was garbage, I enjoyed the college game more because I know what I'm signing up for when I watch CFB. Fans gravitating towards the NFL do it because of social aspects, you can get together with your buds, barely pay attention and enjoy yourself. Fantasy football has drawn in a ton a fans. So many of my friends that gave zero shits about this sport a decade, now can't wait for Sunday strictly due to to fantasy. They don't watch the games, they watch scoreboards and their iphones.

I like what Les Snead said, adapt or die. Whaley talks about QB IQ, but he drafted EJ who has no IQ on the football field. EJ may be able to point out the mike, some teams have the Center call the protection anyway, he may know what an under front is, may know what pattern reads to look for on paper against X coverage, but get him on the field and he processes information at a snails pace. Why did these GMs shun Wilson and Bridgewater? IF it's about intelligence then why were these guys passed up? They probably have it in the classroom and on the field, but they were passed up. Why? Old dogs, most GMs fall back on measurables. They all want 6'4", with huge hands, big arms, large frames that can take hits even though you can't touch QBs these days.

Development is a huge issue, if you're not starting by year 2 you're a bust. There's not enough practice time to develop these guys, it's not exclusive to the QB position either. If you draft a guy in the second or later you have 4 years of control, if he gets injured or needs some grooming you have no room for error. If he does develop late, he'll get tagged, but you'll never take advantage of his cost controlled years because you were still getting him up to speed. You spent the low cost years trying to turn him into a viable player, as soon as he turns into one you're paying a premium price for his services. This is the opposite of NHL/MLB. Bad MLB teams didn't/don't spend enough on their minor league teams, an area where they should spend the majority of their money/efforts. It's not because they didn't chase the big FA's like the Yanks, they neglected their farm teams. We all know how the NFL can correct the development issue, we also know they probably won't come after CFB.

So many bad owners, bad front offices, lots of bad, some good. I can talk about this stuff for hours, don't want to bore you guys. Easier to talk about these things over a few cold ones than to sit down and write it all out. Not enough time to gather all of my thoughts and post them in a coherent way. Topic deserved a response, a rare football topic that we can discuss for a change.

tldr ENJOY THE FOOTBALL SEASON! Go Bills!
The quality of the game has absolutely fallen off over the last decade or so. Not so much among the cellar dwellers, they always sucked. But they top tier of the league kinda sucks these days as well. They're just the best of the garbage.

I don't know what it is -- lack of practice time, wacky pass happy rule changes, etc. Lots of candidates.

But I'm hoping it gets better.
 

Salaadin

Member
I have to work tomorrow night. First time I'm going to miss Steelers opening kickoff in who knows how long. I'm sad.

Trying to find information on radio broadcasts. Since this is broadcast on tv nationally, I should be able to find a stream somewhere, right? Patriots site says Westwood One radio.
 

bionic77

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I have to work tomorrow night. First time I'm going to miss Steelers opening kickoff in who knows how long. I'm sad.

Trying to find information on radio broadcasts. Since this is broadcast on tv nationally, I should be able to find a stream somewhere, right? Patriots site says Westwood One radio.
Welcome my fellow Steelers bro.

If you have a computer you could probably watch via NBC online or their app. On a phone or mobile there are always apps that play the broadcast.

And it is going to suck ass tomorrow watching the Steelers probably lose to the Pats, but thank Tebow at least I have the consolation of knowing that everyone will have my back all season in dismissing any victory with the accusation of further cheating.

Thanks Tebow!
 

RBH

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I have to work tomorrow night. First time I'm going to miss Steelers opening kickoff in who knows how long. I'm sad.

Trying to find information on radio broadcasts. Since this is broadcast on tv nationally, I should be able to find a stream somewhere, right? Patriots site says Westwood One radio.

Not sure about radio broadcast, but you can still watch the game on the NBC Sports website.
 

Salaadin

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Welcome my fellow Steelers bro.

If you have a computer you could probably watch via NBC online or their app. On a phone or mobile there are always apps that play the broadcast.

And it is going to suck ass tomorrow watching the Steelers probably lose to the Pats, but thank Tebow at least I have the consolation of knowing that everyone will have my back all season in dismissing any victory with the accusation of further cheating.

Thanks Tebow!

Not sure about radio broadcast, but you can still watch the game on the NBC Sports website.

Thanks dudes.

I'll be driving so watching is out of the question and my data plan will probably Fuck me so I guess I'll give this westwood one a shot.
 

bionic77

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I just can't stop trolling the insane Pats fans in OT.

I don't remember the last time a group of people were this insane and also butthurt over something.
 

Bowser

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About to get paid. RIP cap space.

Not really. We've got $12.6m in cap space left for this year, and $21m in cap space in 2016 which already accounts for Luke's 5th year option of ~$11m. I'm assuming he'll ultimately get a 4-year extension to make his deal a 6-year deal and it will probably average $11-12m per season over the life of the deal (so something like a 4-year, $55-60m extension)

Basically, all this will do is just eat up a lot of the unused space left for this year that wasn't going to anyone else anyway.
 

Talon

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Pretty good read from WSJ. Ultimately, the NFL has managed to commoditize the SAM, nose tackle, and tailback over the last decade, so it's only a matter of time.
Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi said the new crop of college quarterbacks were flummoxed by a simple question about an “under” front, one of the most common defensive alignments. “Whoa, no one’s ever told me ‘front’ before,” he remembers one prospect saying. “No one’s ever talked to me about reading these defenses.”

Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley said he had the same results when he asked prospects a question about defenses shifting from a common scheme called “cover 2” to an equally mundane tactic called “cover 3.” Hue Jackson, the offensive coordinator from the Bengals, said he had to dumb down his questions, while Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton said some QBs failed to grasp things as basic as understanding a common play call. “You have to teach these kids the absolute basics,” he said.
In the last decade, many college football teams have embraced a form of offense that runs at a furious tempo with no breaks for huddles, the goal being to grind down and exhaust the defense. Teams that play this way don’t bother trying to fool their opponents with complex schemes and trickery, they just bull forward as fast as they can. College defenses have been forced to adapt to this “hurry-up” mode by simplifying their fronts and coverage packages to help the players keep pace. The learning curve, at the NFL level, NFL people say, is so massive that it’s hard to overcome for all but the best college quarterbacks.

The trouble with this trend, NFL experts say, is that many of the players coming from the college ranks have spent their entire careers playing in this high-throttle system, which is completely different from the slower, deliberate and more complex nature of the NFL. When they come to the NFL, it’s as if they’re being told to stop playing speed checkers and start playing chess. And the NFL, which doesn’t have a minor league of its own, has no influence over college coaches. “They don’t coach anything,” said Rex Ryan, the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, when discussing college defenses.
Indeed, Snead has similar thoughts. He recalled the brilliance behind the “Cover 2” or “Tampa 2” defenses, popularized first by the Pittsburgh Steelers of the 1970s then refined by multiple teams in the 1990s, which minimized the importance of “cover” cornerbacks, who could lock up wide receivers in man-to-man coverage and are expensive and hard to find. Snead said the race is on to find a similar strategy that minimizes the importance of the quarterback. “The person who makes the quarterback like they made the cornerback will be a name that will be remembered forever,” Snead said. “But it will take courage to do it.”

NFL coaches are still trying to figure out which elements of the college innovations can be used in the NFL. One issue is that NFL rules prohibit teams from snapping the ball as quickly after plays, meaning they cannot run a pure uptempo offense. Chicago Bears offensive coordinator Adam Gase singled out Philadelphia Eagles coach Chip Kelly, a former Oregon coach, as bringing positive elements of the spread to the pros. “They do a good job and they haven’t sold out to the scheme and most importantly their quarterbacks don’t take huge hits,” Gase said. “The quarterback position is so valuable you want to adapt to their strengths, they do that.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-nfl-has-a-quarterback-crisis-1441819454
Pete Caroll already did it. And Seattle still had to pay him.
 
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