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NFL 2016 Offseason Thread |OT3| - With the 29th pick of the 2016 NFL draft...
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Goro Majima
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Apparently Green Bay doesn't have a history of picking up options on their players. Always trying to get a better deal!
Bradford is not good enough to be this big of an ego. You just had a below average season and were compensated handsomely. Bradford missed the season before that due to a torn ACL.
This guy thinks he deserves job security. Take your money. You knew there was nothing else out there.
Bradford also doesn't want to play for the Niners because of Chip. Where else does His Majesty not want to play?
The Packers, Giants, Patriots, Steelers, etc don't want you. There is no place in the NFL where he would have situation he wants or he would have taken a deal elsewhere.
Tom Condon is supposed to be a level-headed guy. Sam Bradford made him a lot of money over his career, but this is ridiculous.
Play the season and move on. Sit out OTAs and play like the shitty QB we know you are, and get replaced midway through the season.
It's almost as if Bradford and his agent are attempting to set-up this drama line so that he he has a narrative he can use when shopping around Bradford to other teams when Bradford is cut or traded next season. More excuses to bamboozle some other team into hiring the garbage QB known as Sammy Sleeves.
Take a hike, Sam. You are a nobody QB who has done absolutely nothing to earn the $100m+ career earnings that you have accumulated.
Go ruin some other shitty team with your long-sleeved, mentally-fragile antics. It's the NFL. Another shitty team will fall for it again. My biggest mistake in evaluating you was thinking that it was possible for you to be just a "good QB." What a mistake I made.
Futurevoid
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Well that's part of the issue with the whole fifth year option scenario. In some cases, the cost of picking up that players option is ridiculous. The Giants picked up Pugh's option and are paying a guard 8.8 million dollars to keep him in 2017. That's a lot of money for a guard. It's understandable if a cap strapped team says no to something like that and wants to work out a long term contract instead. It's not always a condemnation on the player.
Pepipe just had an aneurysm reading this!!
Most teams use that 5th year option as the first year on a new multi year deal. Build off of it and dont waste a franchise tag.
ActStriker
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lmao the draw play is such trash
Yeah I heard him on Andrew Brandt's podcast. He also mentioned that everyone in the locker room knows everyone else's contract, and Bradford is now a lame duck in the eyes of him teammates.
I don't get the calls for Bradford to suck it up and "compete". It's not a competition. Wentz plays as soon as he is ready. Why deal with the fans and media calling for his head when his organization and teammates aren't behind him?
I get why the fans are mad. They don't care about his career. They just want him to go out there and take the lumps until the savior is ready
His best strategy is to hold out as long as he can tolerate it financially. Don't let the Eagles make him the fall guy to a bad season. Let Daniel and Wentz take those Ls. He goes in to the next season elsewhere and he has to try and compete for job, which is all he could do, anyway, if he shows up now up and plays until he gets pulled for the rookie
This is exactly what he is doing. Make the fans hate him, and not let Howie pin those Ls on him. Howie paid Sam to be the scapegoat for the upcoming disaster season, and Sam isn't playing ball. I hope he sticks to his guns, b/c he is a sucker if he falls for all this nonsense pressure to "compete"
Futurevoid
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Yeah, its a mini-franchise tag for all intents and purposes but some teams don't even bother. The Bucs and the Doug Martin situation is a good example.
I really don't like that they're keeping both Tight Ends on the roster when all they've done is fail multiple times and killed drives.
Sucks that there weren't many good Tight Ends in the draft. Those two Bitches are already on my Shit List.
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Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Assuming he didn't spend the majority of that $100 million, he could easily pull a Carson Palmer and just sit out the season.
The quarterback situation will be a lot more clear in January after a bunch of guys turn into hot garbage and Bradford suddenly looks better.
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Pretty much, and chances are a team will lose their QB early in the season due to injury so he can just become a cog there until Jan rolls around.
Dutch Gronk
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Rip the all white offense
yankeehater
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If I were him I would sit out and pay the fines until a team desperate for a qb came knocking. Let Howie and Dougie start the year with Chase at qb and see how quickly people change their tunes. If they eagles start 0-6 there will be so much pressure to start wentz.
Yes, that would be Ezekial Ansah drafted by Martin Mayhew in the 2013 draft.
One of the best defensive ends in the game. Rated 99 in Madden 2016 last time I checked.
Duxxy3
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Pats 2013 draft
2nd Round (#52 Overall) Jamie Collins, OLB, Southern Miss
2nd Round (#59 Overall) Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall
3rd Round (#83 Overall) Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers
3rd Round (#91 Overall) Duron Harmon, SS, Rutgers
4th Round (#102 Overall) Josh Boyce, WR, TCU
7th Round (#226 Overall) Michael Buchanan, DE/OLB, Illinois
7th Round (#235 Overall) Steve Beauharnais, LB, Rutgers
First 4 are still on the 3. Two of them are starters.
Bill is the greatest drafter of all time.
2nd Round (#52 Overall) Jamie Collins, OLB, Southern Miss
2nd Round (#59 Overall) Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall
3rd Round (#83 Overall) Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers
3rd Round (#91 Overall) Duron Harmon, SS, Rutgers
4th Round (#102 Overall) Josh Boyce, WR, TCU
7th Round (#226 Overall) Michael Buchanan, DE/OLB, Illinois
7th Round (#235 Overall) Steve Beauharnais, LB, Rutgers
First 4 are still on the 3. Two of them are starters.
Bill is the greatest drafter of all time.
I could have picked 7 all pros, easily.
Goro Majima
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FrenchMovieTheme
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i had only heard him say good things about chip!
and even if he wanted to come to SF, is he better than kap or gabbert? no
The_Darkest_Red
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Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
So what you're saying is that Bradford isn't clearly better than Blaine Gabbert?
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
Bradford should compete because it's still the best thing for his career. So you don't have a long term contract and you see someone who will start ahead of you. Whining and acting unprofessional is the right move for your career? He can be mad, but not performing means anyone else who MIGHT have hired him now lost respect for him. It's still fundamentally a bad move for his career.
It's been a very slow day for me and a friend sent me that so I wanted to see what NFL-GAF thought (since I've seen the 4th quarter Eli one here a lot).
I feel like I'm a much bigger fan of the Apple pick than most other people. A nickel corner was a huge need for us and with Conklin, Stanley, Elliot, and Floyd off the board, coupled with Tunsil's character concerns, the choice of position was easy. As for choosing Apple over VH3, I wasn't aware until recently of VH3's declining work ethic. Plus Apple is simply bigger and more athletic. His penalties have been a problem but if we're aware of it, the coaches sure as hell are and will work to keep him in check going forward. It certainly wasn't a dumb or impulse pick like people think. It was well thought out and honestly, with everything going on with Tunsil plus the things we don't know, it was probably the best pick possible at #10 (and Jerry tried to trade down but there were no sufficient offers).
I'm assuming Dumb Eli comes from the whole ManningFace thing. The only actual metric of his intelligence that we have is the Wonderlic, which is useless for the most part but he did score pretty high on that so that is some sort of reference. I'm not even sure how much of the avoiding injuries thing is due to intelligence as opposed to overall strength and toughness. Eli can get hit by a truck it seems and get back up. Glad to here there's at least respect for that despite ill feelings toward the Giants. I don't want to say I'm offended by the "Eli is an idiot" comments but they sure as hell aren't true. Then again, the Giants do the best when they're underestimated on all fronts so go ahead internet, keep going.
/minirant
skLaFarebear
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AngmarsKing701
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*raises hand - well we passed on Jarvis Jones, who was a bust, but we still have Bell, Wheaton, Landry Jones and I believe Vince Williams (LB) is still on the team.
If Sandy Vajayjay is another horse, we know the fix is in. Cheaters trying to fuck up the Kentucky Derby now.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
I love Jabee's post but I'm waiting on the Pepiope rebuttal.
Gonna pop some popcorn for it
Gonna pop some popcorn for it
I've always liked Bradford for what I thought he could become, not for what he was. He may have the talent of a top QB, but he does not have the resume at this point in time to make the demands he's making. He's not shitty, as Jabee put it, but the point is still valid. There is no rebuttal.
I still think he could be a good QB, but his time in Philly is over.
FrenchMovieTheme
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2015:
Bradford - 86.4 rating
Gabbert - 86.2 rating
Also, gabbert had a worse team around him and a much worse coaching staff. not only would i say bradford isn't clearly better than gabbert, i would say he is clearly not as good as gabbert based on last season
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
I've always liked Bradford for what I thought he could become, not for what he was. He may have the talent of a top QB, but he does not have the resume at this point in time to make the demands he's making. There is no rebuttal.
I still think he could be a good QB, but his time in Philly is over.
Weak
idk where the Chip stuff comes from. Bradford said last year, after Chip was fired, he didn't like the tempo and wanted to be able to audible. Their last game vs NYG, they slowed things down, let him adjust plays at the LOS, and get under center. It worked, but then everything worked vs the Giants D last year
He was injured in college and came back early to help his team win. Ended up breaking his collarbone. Came back early from a high ankle sprain in 2011, took shots, to help his team. Tore his ACL in 2013, rehabbed it. Tore it again and rehabbed it again
Will teams worry that Bradford is a huge injury risk? Of course. Will they think he is afraid of a challenge? No
Sielski has a good column on how this whole thing was flawed from the beginning
The trade sets him up for failure and to be hated by the fans. Where's the wisdom in accepting that.
He was injured in college and came back early to help his team win. Ended up breaking his collarbone. Came back early from a high ankle sprain in 2011, took shots, to help his team. Tore his ACL in 2013, rehabbed it. Tore it again and rehabbed it again
Will teams worry that Bradford is a huge injury risk? Of course. Will they think he is afraid of a challenge? No
Sielski has a good column on how this whole thing was flawed from the beginning
The trade sets him up for failure and to be hated by the fans. Where's the wisdom in accepting that.
He was 2 years away from football, and wasn't even completely healthy until the pre-season. He would be the starting QB in SF, don't kid yourself. He will never go to SF though, so it's not like it matters. He doesn't wanna go anywhere it seems. Haha.
Not weak. There's just no defending him.
Weak
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
What happened to all that "second half of the season" stuff you were doing before the draft?? What changed?
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
Why does he give a shit how fans feel about him? Philly fans boo their own team. He should be used to it.
The problem is, this season could have proved him in the eyes of other teams, even if he had no future with the Eagles. Throwing this fit does the opposite. He's now toxic. His own team members won't speak with him. And instead of going to workouts, getting in shape, getting practice, and trying to show the world he's legit next season he's sitting home crying. He could spend this offseason and next season showing the Jets, Saints, or whatever other teams may need a QB next year that he can be their guy going forward. You take your hit and you bounce back from it and still play your hardest and work your hardest because it's still the best thing for your career. You don't spend a month whining and not working, it's the WORST move for your career. It's illogical and immature and frankly if I were other teams GMs I would already write him off because of it.
The_Darkest_Red
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"I've always liked Bradford for what I thought he could become, not for what he was."
And that was the moment Pepiope broke up with Sam Bradford.
And that was the moment Pepiope broke up with Sam Bradford.
He showed progression. I really wanted to see him with a full off-season, injury free, and for him to continue the progress he made during the 2nd half of last season. I still would prefer him to stay (had he not acted this way), but he's taken it too far, don't ya think?
Demanding a trade after signing a deal to be paid like a top 10 QB, refusal to respond to calls from the coaching staff, refusal to show up to workouts...Do you think he can still command respect in the locker room at that point?
He needs a fresh start on a new team. I still believe he can help DEN repeat as champs. He's just done in Philly.
Problem is his attitude is out there for the world and the rest of the league to see. No one is going to want him
Moley moley moley moley~
That's what so disappointing. He shouldn't need to be handed the job. He should know he's good enough to take it.
It's a complete lack of confidence.
End of an era.
100% agreed. I want no part of Bradford and nothing I saw last year has me convinced he's better than Gabbert from last year. Gabbert played significantly better than when he was with the Jaguars. Still not great, but he looked like a serviceable backup QB for most of the games he started for us. That is also how I would describe Bradford. The difference is Gabbert doesn't have an 18 million dollar price tag.
yankeehater
Member
What lack of confidence? All it shows is he doesn't want to play in a bad situation. A team that he has no future with and totally gave up on this year.That's what so disappointing. He shouldn't need to be handed the job. He should know he's good enough to take it.
It's a complete lack of confidence.
He wouldn't cost a team trading for him that much.
The birds are responsible for 11M.
I believe it's 7M guaranteed this year, 4M next year
The fact that teams haven't bit at that price is not a great sign.
Fans always take the management narrative. Never fails
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...p_and_unfair_to_paint_Bradford_as_a_baby.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...p_and_unfair_to_paint_Bradford_as_a_baby.html
Isn't Bradford essentially in the same spot Brees was in in 04 when the Chargers drafted Rivers? And Brees went out and got shit done to earn his contract with NO two years later?
Everyone keeps missing the point on Bradford.
He was already handed the job. There is no competition for this coming year. He knows that.
The Eagles did that, not Sam. They resigned him before FA even began. That's all Howie. Then Doug wanted Chase Daniels and they signed him too and to a pretty expensive contact for a back up.
The point is they sold to Sam the opportunity to use this coming season and the 2 year contract (guarding against injury) as a prove it year. Sam and his agent knew that and agreed.
Then they traded away the draft for this year, next year, and the following to draft a QB. Now all of a sudden no matter how Sam plays, because the Eagles have so much invested in Wentz (none of which they could ever get back), Bradford is done after this season.
As a player no matter how shit I've been, if I'm courted and sold the idea to win the long term job, then the team trades away resources which guarantees I won't be brought back then yeah I'll be upset.
Demanding a trade right before the draft is just smart business because teams might pull the trigger. He and his agent probably knew they have no choice but to play for the Eagles but tried to force a trade if possible.
I'm sure he'd like to play for Denver and was holding out hope.
The whole mess is Howie's fault and considering the money and picks now locked into the QB position, if I'm angry at anyone it's the Eagles FO.
He was already handed the job. There is no competition for this coming year. He knows that.
The Eagles did that, not Sam. They resigned him before FA even began. That's all Howie. Then Doug wanted Chase Daniels and they signed him too and to a pretty expensive contact for a back up.
The point is they sold to Sam the opportunity to use this coming season and the 2 year contract (guarding against injury) as a prove it year. Sam and his agent knew that and agreed.
Then they traded away the draft for this year, next year, and the following to draft a QB. Now all of a sudden no matter how Sam plays, because the Eagles have so much invested in Wentz (none of which they could ever get back), Bradford is done after this season.
As a player no matter how shit I've been, if I'm courted and sold the idea to win the long term job, then the team trades away resources which guarantees I won't be brought back then yeah I'll be upset.
Demanding a trade right before the draft is just smart business because teams might pull the trigger. He and his agent probably knew they have no choice but to play for the Eagles but tried to force a trade if possible.
I'm sure he'd like to play for Denver and was holding out hope.
The whole mess is Howie's fault and considering the money and picks now locked into the QB position, if I'm angry at anyone it's the Eagles FO.
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