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NFL Offseason 2: Free Agency or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Squicken

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cdyhybrid

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BlackGhost said:
Maybe it's just me, but I don't get the timing of this statement? Why make it?
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Trying to motivate him, maybe.

DeaconKnowledge said:
Winning Super Bowls tends to get you MVP votes.

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I'm just saying I personally wouldn't vote for a guy that intentionally tries to injure my peers, that's all.
 
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Sanjuro

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Fox318 said:
Honestly I don't know. If he was brought in as a backup the signing makes a little more sense but I would have rather had a Fitzpatrick or someone else with starting experience who wasn't going to bring baggage to the Jets.

For those that say Vick is going to mentor Smith I think they are crazy. Smith is a pocket passer where as vick is a more mobile qb. The only thing they have in common is they both like to throw deep.

The dog stuff still is going to be an issues with people and I do have to say I'm not going to be jumping up and down cheering for him. The NY media is going to go nuts with it. Every jets story is going to feature a mention about dogs no matter what.

Crimes of passion and monetary lapses of stupidity I can get over but Vick was running a machine in his house. I know alot of it was his family members but I remember the excuse for him and others indited was that they "came from a culture of fighting" so it was ok, bullshit.

If they brought him in to start Idzik went full crazy after being asleep the first week of free agency.

Its either a brilliant move or one that will put the GM on the hot seat for next year.
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The notion of Vick mentoring Smith is nothing more than an extension on comparing black quarterbacks to only black quarterbacks.
 
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DeaconKnowledge

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BlackGhost said:
Maybe it's just me, but I don't get the timing of this statement? Why make it?
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Motivation. Fairley playing hard his last year benefits the Lions. wins are obvious but if he plays well and they decide to keep him, so much the better. If they let him walk and he signs a big deal, they get a better comp pick. There's no losing.

cdyhybrid said:
I'm just saying I personally wouldn't vote for a guy that intentionally tries to injure my peers, that's all.
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All of these guys are trying to injure each other, let's not kid ourselves. Time was the guaranteed way to win the game was to knock the QB senseless and get his backup in. Do you think that mentality just disappeared?
 
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yankeehater

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Sanjuro said:
The notion of Vick mentoring Smith is nothing more than an extension on comparing black quarterbacks to only black quarterbacks.
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I hate Vick as well but this is just nonsense. There were tons of reports last year in Philly talking about all the help that Vick provided to Foles. Vick likes being paid money by football teams and he knows that the best way to hang around at the end is to be a solid backup and help out the young QBs on the roster. He still wants to start but he even said he would help out Geno if that is the direction the Jets go in.
 
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Tom Penny

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Vick won't have time to mentor Smith when he's taking all the reps and is the starter. That's not is job. If he's not the starter than the Jets are flat out not playing their best players.
 
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The Artful Dodger

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Tom Penny said:
Vick won't have time to mentor Smith when he's taking all the reps and is the starter. That's not is job. If he's not the starter than the Jets are flat out not playing their best players.
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Players learn from also watching other players. If they brought Vick in to compete and be the starter, Smith is going to learn from watching him play and how he prepares himself for the game and what it takes, that's still mentoring.
 
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The Artful Dodger

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DeaconKnowledge said:
Eh, how true is that really? Curtis Painter sat behind Peyton Manning for years.
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It's hard to measure, I guess. I mean, can you measure if Rodgers learned anything behind Favre or Steve Young behind Montana. I mean I'm sure some of it rubs off in some way, even if it's like players thinking, "I don't agree with that, I'm gonna do it this way instead".
 
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Sanjuro

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yankeehater said:
I hate Vick as well but this is just nonsense. There were tons of reports last year in Philly talking about all the help that Vick provided to Foles. Vick likes being paid money by football teams and he knows that the best way to hang around at the end is to be a solid backup and help out the young QBs on the roster. He still wants to start but he even said he would help out Geno if that is the direction the Jets go in.
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Define help? I'm sure there were general reports to the media, because that is the fluff they like to hear. Also, I don't believe I see Vick as a career backup.

Almost every NFL player since forever is going to socialize with teammates and offer assistance. Judging Vick's career, I don't see much value.

Smith: So what do I do?
Vick: RUN!
 
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Tenumi

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cdyhybrid said:
Trying to motivate him, maybe.
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yankeehater said:
Agreed. It seems like they are telling him, what ever you do dont get hurt this year since you will be shopping yourself as a FA at the end of it. I wonder if they are trying to trade him?
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Pretty much. It's felt likely, fan wise, that Fairley wasn't going to be re-signed at the end of his deal. So it's a a contract year motivator. He does well, win-win for both sides. He doesn't, no big deal.
 
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Tom Penny

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The Artful Dodger said:
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Players learn from also watching other players. If they brought Vick in to compete and be the starter, Smith is going to learn from watching him play and how he prepares himself for the game and what it takes, that's still mentoring.
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I was unaware that anytime you learn something by seeing someone else do it they were mentoring you.
 
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Fox318

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Smith needs to earn his spot during camp but he finished the year strong. Kerley was out 4 games and he was the top receiver with 43 catches.

With a decent WR/TE Draft Geno should have much better weapons to throw to.
 
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Dutch Gronk

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Greg said:
you can lead a Curtis Painter to water, but he's still just a horse
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This is my favorite post of all time.

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Are you sure that isnt a picture of the Aryan Nation's private army? Those are the hitler youths of my nightmares. Fitting they'd support the Pats and Belicheat aka The Anti-Christ
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Because they are white?! Damn, that's racist, bro.

Sanjuro said:
Vince Wilfork taking his name tag off the locker and storming out today.

Sounds like we are reaching an agreement!
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Storming out? Don't worry, Kraft said Vince is one of his favorites. Just like Welk....Wait
 
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Colasante

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The Daily News has learned that the Jets, Patriots, Dolphins and Steelers are in the hunt to land veteran running back Maurice Jones-Drew. The teams are expected to meet with the Jones-Drew camp at league meetings this week.
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If the Patriots don't sign Knowshon Moreno, MJD would be a nice alternative. Hopefully he'd be more productive than Fred Taylor was here.
 
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bionic77

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cdyhybrid said:
Yeah, I don't think Vick is going there to be a backup.



There's a fine line between physical play and trying to injure people!
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The object of the game on defense has always been to try and injure people. Lets not kid ourselves.

Ward gets shit because defensive players, especially pansy ass cornerbacks, did not like getting a taste of their own medicine.
 
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Hitokage

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bionic77 said:
The object of the game on defense has always been to try and injure people. Lets not kid ourselves.

Ward gets shit because defensive players, especially pansy ass cornerbacks, did not like getting a taste of their own medicine.
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It's certainly about running and hitting, but in Seattle we teach the strike zone.
 
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yankeehater

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I guess it is for this:

Kastrioti said:
Using Wikipedia as a source for the Quran? Go straight to the text.

http://quran.com/

Allahu Akbar is a Arabic War Chant used before battles, beheadings etc. It's not the same as "God Bless You." Christians don't say "God Bless You" before they execute you for not believing in the Bible. Watch the hundred and thousands of videos coming out of Syria with people getting executed.
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Himynameischris

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Ever since I got banned
Thanks Gata
I stopped posting in OT (never really posted in Gaming). Just not worth it when even the smallest thing can get you banned.
 
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Tamanon

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I think I'm the only one still here that actually got banned for something in the NFL thead!

Stupid Drew Bledsoe parody site about Tony Romo.
 
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effzee

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Sanjuro said:
Maybe you aren't familiar with my dialog on Vick. His on field performance was always the primary issue I've had when discussing him, the off field antics just were tagged on at a later date.

Chip could have developed him into the quarterback he needs to be at this point, but Vick wouldn't accept that. The guy has an ego and believes he is an elite quarterback, when in reality he is simply unprepared and doesn't have a great sense for the position.

I'm just amazed teams are still overvaluing him. For the Jets? It's really a perfect place. They now have a quarterback who cares as little about offense as their coach.
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What in the flying fuck are you talking about?

Vick of the Falcons days didn't give a shit and it showed. With the Eagles he had to rededicate his whole life around football and because even he admitted to not putting in the work while with the Falcons. He has been a model citizen on and off the field with the Eagles and if not for his injuries would still be the starting QB.

What exactly didn't Vick accept from Chip? Vick wasn't guaranteed a starting job. He won it over the pre season by playing really well. Throughout the season Chip credited Vick with leading the team even when he was benched in favor of Foles. Oh and he wasn't pulled because he wouldn't or couldn't learn Chip's system...he was pulled because of his hamstring injury and because how well Foles started to play.

He wasn't pulled because he didn't buy into Chip or perform well. He is an average QB and I don't expect him to stay healthy or lead a franchise now to the playoffs or SB but he is a capable QB especially as a veteran back up. If he could have stayed healthy I think he would have led the Eagles to the playoffs too.
 
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