djplaeskool
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Smith to the Chiefs?
I'm okay with this.
I'm okay with this.
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NFL Offseason Thread 2013 - Here comes the wait
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yankeehater
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Tony Pailine yesterday said that Joeckel has looked bad at the combine and he wouldnt be surprised if he slipped some.
We could easily re-sign Albert and tag Bowe (while working out a contract extension) and have plenty left over once we release Cassel, Jackson, and possibly Glenn Dorsey.
Futurevoid
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I think the decision was to help them win games (at least in the short term). The QB situation in KC was/is hilariously bad. Smith can at least provide some stability and ability to win some actual games while the program progresses. He's not the long term answer and there will no doubt be an eye towards a franchise QB in the future (possibly the next draft) but if I were a fan, I'd be happy to at least have a guy under center that can pass the ball efficiently. That's gotta go a long ways towards healing the wounds of watching Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn attempting to play QB!
I see it as a guy coming in trying to change the culture and get the team to winning. They've been real, real bad. I imagine it's a nightmare trying to sign free agents. This is Reid trying to get off on to a winning start with some rapidity. I think with Smith the Chiefs have a legit shot at 6-7 wins. It lays the groundwork for Kansas City being a serious football franchise and not one that is going to take 4 years to rebuild. It's a smart move and will make them competitive.
Of course, if they come out and guaranty him $35m on the 12th then it's fucking dumb!
yankeehater
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A 2nd and possibly another 2nd. It is nuts that just last year only 1 team even brought him in for an interview, and they decided to go with Matt Moore. Alex gets benched this year and now there is a line of teams dying to trade for him and have to pay him $9m this year? Reid got duped for sure.
Squall ASF
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I forgot about his back injury. Just reinforces you can never truly get a stud LT on the market. No team will ever let them go and if they do, it's due to injury as the player wants their next big contract. Long and Albert on the market and both are high risk, sigh.
Futurevoid
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Steelers have restructured Lawrence Timmons:
If the 49ers end up getting two seconds it's safe to say that this was a great deal for the Chiefs.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Finally we have some competition in the AFC West.
I agree. Alex Smith is an upgrade, they'll be a better team for it.
Futurevoid
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...but there's no market for him. Despite Jacksonville being apparently in the mix for the trade and recently the Cardinals supposedly had an offer on the table as well but the Niners weren't going to trade him to a division rival according to several sources.
HarryDemeanor
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I'd like to see how KC does with Smith. To me they've always had a good solid team except the QB position was the big problem.
yankeehater
Member
So since they werent going to trade him to the Cards that left 2 teams, and we dont even know that the Jags made an offer. So Reid was indeed bidding against himself. Thanks for clearing that up.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
I won't mind the Chiefs being good again. They were pretty good in the 90s.
Was Lamar Hunt's death detrimental to the franchise or something?
Was Lamar Hunt's death detrimental to the franchise or something?
Futurevoid
Member
If you honestly think Smith was going to be released by the Niners outright and not traded for value to another club, then your observation is about as useful as your assessment of Cullen Jenkins ability to play the 3-4.So since they werent going to trade him to the Cards that left 2 teams, and we dont even know that the Jags made an offer. So Reid was indeed bidding against himself. Thanks for clearing that up.
lol, aren't you the one always crying about teams over-valuing picks? I understand that you are trying to pump up your new team, but the "value" of the pick is what it derives. Alex Smith will provide more wins over the short term than any pick would have. It's a good deal for a team trying to re-establish itself as serious.
lol
Me too. Solid talent throughout the team. Now they have a capable QB. Could be a wildcard team if things work out imo.
But it's not valuing Alex and the trade vs the player at #34. Value it vs what they could have acquired him for. They got played. I like Alex. Good move to get him. Perfect placeholder QB. Just not a 2nd a 4th QB
yankeehater
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We will see. I really hope Cullen does sign with a 3-4 team. I watched him every game the last 2 years and he would just be a guy to take up a blocker now. He is to small to play nose and he is to slow to make plays as a DE. I do absolutely believe that the 9ers would have had to release Alex. No way would they pay him $9m to sit on the bench, and there were at best 2 teams interested in him, but even the Jags already have a younger cheaper QB. I really think Reid got tricked in this case.
They were pretty damn good with Trent Green, Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez and Dante Hall.
Deals don't happen in a vacuum. Smith's value was inflated by current market conditions.
You realize he played, very successfully, in a 3-4 correct???
Dutch Gronk
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Now I agree that they have a solid team, and the best young LB in the division, but for them to make it to the WC, they would need to finish with around 8 more wins than this year. They would need to make some serious other moves than only signing Smith to make that happen next year.
Starphoenix
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So... Are the 49ers going to cash their draft picks in on Revis? Then we could have Revis vs. Sherman twice in a year.
amishpriest99
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Wonder if all this means the Browns go after Geno if/when he's available at no. 6. Banner has said they don't expect to take a QB, and they do have greater needs defensively to address, so I hope not.
Futurevoid
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If this wasn't already clearly spelled out for you when your original statement was made I'll do it here - the Eagles signed him from the Packers where he played on the 2010 Super Bowl squad. He was THE anchor on their line.yankeehater said:
He doesn't need to prove he can play the 3-4. He's already done it and has been extremely productive as a 3-4 DE and more.
Hopefully not. I want the Browns to trade for Ryan Mallett.
No way we spend our pick on a QB. There is already talk that Weeden barring something unforeseen should be the starter next year. There aren't really any guys in this draft you look at and say they are leaps and bounds better than him.
Weeden will most likely be the guy for the next year or two as they decide who the future QB will be.
Timmons has earned his money. He was just average the year after the SB loss, but he was the only LBer had with any athleticism and seemed to lead the team in tackles every week.
Woodley can go eat a giant bag of dicks. That fat fuck was out of shape and didn't do shit. I think old man Harrison on a bum knee had more sacks in less games.
amishpriest99
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I agree that they probably won't do it, just idle speculation. Hopefully Weeden gets better at reading defenses and fits well into the new offense.
Dutch Gronk
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I was thinking about it, and with Brady's extension, the Mallett era might be over before it has even begun
. We can stash him in Cleveland for a couple of years and then he can come back.
I was thinking about it, and with Brady's extension, the Mallett era might be over before it has even begun
We can stash him in Cleveland for a couple of years and then he can come back.
I'm getting worried that there's no market for him. Another 2nd this year would do wonders to shore up the defense. I was hoping Pioli would stay in KC so we could dupe him again. I'm surprised Arizona isn't interested. Arians loves a strong armed quarterback and Mallett might be a top 5 QB in the league in terms of arm strength.
Trade for Sanchez. Camp battle 2089.
There is no real reason for there to be one since he's done absolutely nothing in the NFL, unless a team had high marks on him prior to the 2011 draft and was worried about his character issues, which seem to have been largely resolved in New England. Apparently Mike Lombardi had him ranked as his #1 QB in the 11 draft, so there's hoping he'll now trade him for with the Browns.
Well like I said in the case of the Redskins and now with the Seahawks too, it does take the right timing and luck too.
Redskins stunk for 2 seasons under Mike and it helped them land RG3. Seahawks took a chance on Wilson, and then a bigger chance by naming him a starter, and it worked out wonderfully. But he had to be available and it all had to work out. There is no exact science.
Even-though I think overall Reid is a moron, made the only possible logical move. There is no QB in this draft that anyone really cares for. And whoever is there will still be there later where the Chiefs can still pick them up. They still have the #1 overall and can trade down to get more picks.
And while they have sucked, they aren't completely talent depleted. 6 pro-bowlers on a 2 win team. Some good young talent on the defensive side. I'm no big believer in Smith and think he can only work when managed really well, but he is instantly an upgrade over Cassel. Allows them to use this draft and off season to work on the other needs and see how it plays out with Smith. It just might be that they need another new QB next off season but at least then they will have actual options in the draft.
Quite similar to how I reacted to Vick being brought back to the Eagles on a 1 year deal.
Two 2nd round picks does seem high but overall I think people overvalue the draft, and rounds of the picks way too much. The draft is a complete crapshoot at best 50/50. And with Reid and his recent track record of terrible drafts, especially 2nd round picks, probably better off going with a known veteran commodity than banking on an unknown.
If they actually end up giving up 2 second round picks, it will mean Alex Smith performs really well this coming season and then the Chiefs won't really have a problem with that. Essentially they gave up a 2nd round pick this year for a guy did lead the league in QB rating and wasn't playing bad on a SB caliber team. At 28 that isn't a bad deal.
More cause for alarm is how anti-Reid his skill set is and how he will handle that.
http://www.packers.com/news-and-eve...d-losers/a0577c65-86dd-49a3-99ed-861fcb511de4
Nice breakdown of winners and losers at the combine. Nothing earth shattering. More agreement that Joeckel looked "ordinary"
Nice breakdown of winners and losers at the combine. Nothing earth shattering. More agreement that Joeckel looked "ordinary"
Arizone loves Philly back up QBs!
Foles for a 3rd round pick and I will do backflips of joy!
BlackGhost
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Banner already ruled out Qb at 6 at the combine I don't feel like finding the article though, I think well sign Matt Moore and weeden and Moore will compete for job