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NFL Offseason Thread 2013 - Here comes the wait
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I don't see the Vikings making a play for Cruz, but it's entirely possible. I think it's more likely Greg Jennings goes there and doesn't get anywhere near the crazy amount he was saying he wanted. On another note, it'd be absolutely hilarious to see Jennings go from Favre and Rodgers throwing him the ball, to Christian Ponder.
Futurevoid
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I've long since resigned myself to either Cruz or Nicks moving on. It's a pipe dream to think the Giants can keep them both. I simply want to get as much value out of Cruz as possible. If the RFA market holds as usual, then he'll be a Giant in 2013 and likely move on in 2014 as Nicks is due for a contract then as well (along with JPP and Linval)
If we can get some value for him now and a team wants to offer him his 10 million and us a first? It's value that we won't get after next season. I just want the Giants to optimize that value as much as possible.
I hate to see him go. Cruz has conducted himself about as well as you'd want to a player to but there is a cap and a value the Giants have on him and they, much like the Steelers (and Mike Wallace) don't budge on that value.
ActStriker
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mock draft
Futurevoid
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NFL-Gaf Mock Draft 2013.
BaltimoreLarry
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Any trade that makes it harder for the Niners to succeed is a good thing.
Starphoenix
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Crap, is Redskins going to even have good play makers left over?
Also, Seattle adding Harvin is a scary thing if he plays well. Weird to think that Seattle has both Harvin and Rice at receiver. That can be a productive WR tandem as Brett Favre showed us, only difference is: Brett Favre. Crazy to think that the NFC West has gone from being a joke division to such a frightening division in less then a couple of years.
As far as Cruz is concerned, I don't want to see him go to Minnesota. He should go to an actual team.
Thanks Draxal and FV for the replies. The Vikes HAVE to do something at WR. I think Wallace would be best, but if not, then I think Cruz and the lost pick is better than Jennings at 8m. Jennings seems like Ahman Green 2.0
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Always the matter of Percy's issues
http://t.co/Tw8eTMKX54
Always the matter of Percy's issues
At first I was shocked. Then I saw the upside for both parties.
Futurevoid
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Though interesting how the tenders weren't announced until after the trade.
One less team in the mix for his services.BannedEpisode
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SHOTS FIRED.
B For Bendetta
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Mind if I do the Rammies 22nd from the Redskins, Squicken?
Future PhaZe
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No, the commish decided that we deserved to be uncompetitive for a minimum of two years even before we got Griff.
I'm still pissed we didn't sue the league over it.
whatever..
I'm surprised to hear about carricker though...we need QB pressure.
edit: We're losing Lorenzo too?
how are we over the cap with all the scrubs on this team even with an 18 mil cap penalty?
what the fuck
Though interesting how the tenders weren't announced until after the trade.
Certainly, though I've been of the opinion that teams aren't keen on tossing away first round picks (and thus contracts) for the right to pay $10m+ per year to a WR.
The compensation in this deal surprises me.
Oh. K.
I think the Saints will go with a DT, but they might actually go with a CB or a Olineman instead. Getting thin on the front lines due to age. But Im not good at those mock draft things.
Futurevoid
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Carriker and Moss both restructuring their contracts as per La Canfora. They shouldn't be going anywhere...
Sure, but I wasn't going to ignore you or anything on 16. Really do have to reconsider defense now. If SEA is going go nuts with backfield action, may have to think about how to speed them up. Having LBs and DEs stand in place isn't the answer
You know damn well the answer from Fisher is going to be lots and lots and lots of cheap shots.
You know I was expecting them to do that all year after the way they roughed up Griffin, but they never did it again. I always wondered if the league got after them about it. BAL roughed up SF after plays far more than STL ever did
They will probably hit Wilson every time he hands off but fakes a keep. BAL set that precedent with the edge guys on Kap
He might be a great fit for the Dolphins but no receiver is worth $10 million a year and I will hate the Dolphins if they pay a one trick pony like Wallace that money and fuck over every other team trying to sign their receivers. Look at the Packers. They know how to draft receivers and always have a young crop ready to come in and replace the older guys. Thats the way to do it. Not paying an overrated speed guy based on God knows what metrics.
Wallace did not even have a good year last year!
From one of the Eagles beat writers:'
Very interested in CB Smith (from Dolphins) and if now will make a serious push for S Quin from Texans if he doesn't reach a last minute deal tonight.
Those two signings would be huge in terms of rebuilding the secondary. Of course they would still need to draft one of each because that's just how bad the whole secondary is/was.
We also need a nose tackle and possibly 2-3 LBs who can play whatever version of the 3-4 they want to implement.
Very interested in CB Smith (from Dolphins) and if now will make a serious push for S Quin from Texans if he doesn't reach a last minute deal tonight.
Those two signings would be huge in terms of rebuilding the secondary. Of course they would still need to draft one of each because that's just how bad the whole secondary is/was.
We also need a nose tackle and possibly 2-3 LBs who can play whatever version of the 3-4 they want to implement.
Starphoenix
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Well that is good news.
It's the automatic compensation given, barring any other transaction. Teams can work out deals (Pats-Fins for Welker, 2nd round tender became 2nd + 7th) to alter the compensation.
I think you might have confused me with BigAT, (who has much more saner POVs then I do).
Cruz's agent is also a newbie, and the Giants have a tradition of not dealing with those agents if they make insane demands (see the Burress Situation where he fired the agent, after the Giants said they're done dealing with him, he hired Rosenhaus and signed a deal with the Giants in the next two days).
The other thing that Cruz has (and it's mentioned by Eric from BBI, who runs BBI) is that he's a local boy from Paterson that's 10 miles away from the Stadium, and there's a pretty large hispanic community around. He might take a hometown discount for that reason. He is incredibly marketable to an untapped marked in the biggest market in the world.
When I see people talking about draft pick tenders I always think of chicken tenders and get hungry.
From Ralph Vacciano's twitter.
https://twitter.com/RVacchianoNYDN/status/311180745911721988
It's take a paycut or be gone. I have a feeling he's willing to take one, but it depends on the severity of it.
Spectral Glider
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Figured Foster would be coming back, good signing as he's been solid whenever asked to step in. Also heard on the radio on why they haven't cut Colon yet. If they wait to do it in June, they save more against the cap.
Too high. Thought is he'll have to drop to guard. Lots of good guards are college tackles. I think both SF's guards were college tackles. But you don't draft them high. I've seen the Bears connected to Eifert, mostly
We are going to lose a lot of jokes when they cut Colon.
Hope the cap relief is worth it!
2014 Draft News:
ASJ was arrested for DUI Saturday night after driving his car off the road and apparently hitting his head on the windshield after landing in a catch basin.
What a goddamn idiot. He'll have to be a model citizen and play his ass off if he wants to keep his draft stock up. Luckily for him, a single DUI isn't a big deal to most NFL teams.
ASJ was arrested for DUI Saturday night after driving his car off the road and apparently hitting his head on the windshield after landing in a catch basin.
What a goddamn idiot. He'll have to be a model citizen and play his ass off if he wants to keep his draft stock up. Luckily for him, a single DUI isn't a big deal to most NFL teams.
With all the talk of restricted free agent signings (Cruz specifically I suppose), it should be worth noting that there has been just a single RFA signed by a different team in the last four years. The numbers for the last ten years:
2003 - 5
2004 - 1
2005 - 3
2006 - 4
2007 - 4
2008 - 3
2009 - 0
2010 - 1
2011 - 0
2012 - 0
2003 - 5
2004 - 1
2005 - 3
2006 - 4
2007 - 4
2008 - 3
2009 - 0
2010 - 1
2011 - 0
2012 - 0
Dutch Gronk
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Who's ASJ?
Kind of depends if he wants to leave. Giants may match any reasonable offer, but then teams won't bother with it if he just wants an offer he hopes the Giants will match. He'll have to want to leave, and that means signing something structured to make it impossible for them to match
TE from Washington
yankeehater
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Ninja Scooter
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The only one of those 3 we might miss is Carriker, and that is because you can never have enough D-line depth. Hall and Santana are toast.
It sounds like they may have eliminated that type of contract structuring with the most recent CBA. I found this quote in this Mike Garafolo article:
"One consideration Mara need not worry about is a "poison pill" type contract the Minnesota Vikings used to secure Seattle Seahawks all-pro guard Steve Hutchinson in 2006. Such virtually unmatchable offers Seattle's salary cap would have been wrecked had it matched Minnesota's offer sheet have been negated by a clause in the new collective bargaining agreement."
Sounds interesting, although I haven't been able to find what specific changes were made to prevent such things from happening.
The_Darkest_Red
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I'll pick for the Dolphins.
I think in a lot of ways the Dolphins would like to move towards that Packers philosophy in years to come, but the fact is they need a guy like Wallace right now and they have the cap space to make it happen without hurting their draft status. $10 million a year is a lot but apparently Ireland thinks Wallace is worth it (and I wouldn't be surprised if a few other GM's do as well). The Dolphins can't afford to draft a receiver and wait a year or two in hopes that he'll develop into a legitimate number one guy. They need help for Tannehill now, and it's going to cost them.
I blame Nick Saban, somehow.
Not unless we plan on moving him to QB
PenguinPoacher
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They can still frontload it enough so the Giants cant match. They just cant word it so that if he say plays 6 games a season in New York the whole contract is guaranteed.
There's so many variables at stake here, that's really hard to predict. Hometown discount/agent conflict with the team etc/true worth of a first round pick with rookie scale etc.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Iupati was a G in college