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NFL Offseason Thread 2013 - Here comes the wait
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PenguinPoacher
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If Harvins attitude problem is fixed he will be amazing in Seattle. This coming from a Vikings fan. If you don't think what he brings in the Receiving/Running/Return game makes him elite then I would be interested in hearing what players you think on the 49ers are elite.
Also the main reason his YPC wasn't huge is because the majority of his passes were either at the line of scrimmage or 1 to 2 yards out and then he would turn it into something.
Also the main reason his YPC wasn't huge is because the majority of his passes were either at the line of scrimmage or 1 to 2 yards out and then he would turn it into something.
I actually wonder how much his terrible selfish attitude ended up helping him get a big contract from Seattle. They attributed ALL of his injury history to faking it. Normally if you see a player missing significant time due to brain issues they aren't getting much guaranteed money. Being a whiny twat ended up helping him a ton.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
tell me what he "brings" to the receiving/running/return game. cause the numbers certainly don't show it. what else should i base it on if not his prior production?
which is the main reason that his yards after the catch were high
I won't deny that Welker is elite at what he does. I'm just saying that if Harvin reached his potential, he would be clearly superior to Welker, and I think the situation he is in now (compared to the situation in Minnesota) gives him a MUCH better chance to reach that potential.
Perhaps I misspoke by calling him an elite player. I'll admit that I probably should have said elite talent, since elite player would also imply elite numbers.
Sure, he got the deal based on his ability. If he can leverage his talent to production on the field, he's going to be great. From the sounds of it, he's the perfect fit for the offense in Seattle, and he got paid. So he sound have no more barriers to being fucking amazing.
Agreed. An elite player is proven by numbers, an elite talent is based upon athleticism, skills, etc.
He can be an elite player. When he's not Curtlering out of games. Or actually having headaches.
mastershake
Member
jennings to the vikebikes? wtf....
Now I hope he goes down in flames like brent
Now I hope he goes down in flames like brent
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
but a lot of people "COULD" be elite players in the NFL. people make excuses for harvin being on a shitty team.... where are those excuses for a guy like calvin johnson? or larry fitzgerald? or a laundry list of other guys who have put up numbers over the years on bad teams
Top 8 in total yards his first three years (missed a bunch of games last year due to injury)
Top 6 in yards/touch his first three years, he was #9 last year
#1 in yards/kick return the last two years
Top 6 in kick return TDs every year in the league including #1 in 2011 and #2 in 2012
He averaged 8.9 YAC last season, 6.5 the two seasons before
Fitz's numbers are very underwhelming once Warner left, though. Megatron is a freak among freaks and although we like to bag on Stafford, he's not a bad QB. Nowhere near Ponder, that's for sure.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
and in non-football news, holy smokes the new david bowie album is so good! not much of a fan of modern bowie (lots of hit and miss) but this album is good from beginning to end! it'll take a few more months of listening to make the ultimate judgement but i'm pretty impressed!
if you are a bowie fan you should buy the album or illegally download it. if you aren't a bowie fan then go fuck yourself
if you are a bowie fan you should buy the album or illegally download it. if you aren't a bowie fan then go fuck yourself
Spectral Glider
Member
Waste of Spaeth is back now? Are you kidding me? What in the blue fuck is this front office smoking...whatever it is, it's making Santonio Holmes jealous. I liked it better when the Steelers didn't sign anybody at all.
FrenchMovieTheme
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i'll give you that he is an elite KR! my whole point when i started this discussion is that he is overpaid: the seahawks gave up too many picks and what they paid him is too much for what he does (although they could cut him loose after this year and not take much of a hit)
FrenchMovieTheme
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fitz has put up better numbers than harvin with drastically worse QB's than ponder. you may not think ponder is great (and he isn't) but he is much better than anything arizona has trotted out since warner left.
as for calvin, he has put up massive numbers before stafford. 1300 yards on an 0-16 team
He's the missing cog to that offense, that's why they paid as much as they did. He should make the offense that much more difficult to stop.
PenguinPoacher
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Harvin never disappears in games that he is in. The only reason he does not have elite numbers is because he either missed games due to migraines or because he was pissed off. That's why I said IF his attitude problem is fixed he will be elite. It's a big if because you have to have the right guys around him to reel him in, and personally if Frazier(who is respected by pretty much all his players) and AP can't do it I have no clue who can. Pete and Wilson have there work cut out for them.
This off season hurts
I'm pessimistic for the first time in a long time going into the next season...PenguinPoacher
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I agree they paid him way too much, it should have been heavily incentive based at least so that if he decides to pout he is just throwing his own money away.
His versatility is what really sold the front office, I think. It'll make the option that much harder to defend. They can line up with Wilson in the pistol with Lynch behind him and Harvin next to him and do all kinds of shit out of a formation like that. And the threat his athleticism provides will open things up for everyone else on that offense.
Everyone seems to love Pete and Russell so I'm not too worried about it. They wouldn't have brought him in if they didn't think they'd be able to handle him. This is the same front office that was willing to give TO and Braylon Edwards shots.
The adderall. DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE ADDERALL!
Glad you agree with me Striker
Futurevoid
Member
..and going completely off topic. Tonights entertainment:
Willow! That little dude freaked me out when I was a kid.
mastershake
Member
How much was willow? Didn't know they had it on bluray... loved that movie as a kid!
Loved wreck it ralph too
Alligatorjandro
Banned
I aint seen Willow.Want to see Ralph though.
Spectral Glider
Member
This off season hurts
My Sundays might be free this fall.
BaltimoreLarry
Member
TERPS!!!!!!
Suck it, Bowser. One more win, and we may make the tourney.
Suck it, Bowser. One more win, and we may make the tourney.
your eyes, your whiskers, you are so beautiful I want to keeeeeees you!
I'll have the Pirates to rely on in the Fall
... D:Or maybe the Steelers will channel their inner Penguin and overcome injuries, and have Kunitz-esque breakout seasons from some of its players!
Or maybe the Penguins can just win the Stanley Cup and I'll ride the victory high all the way through the NFL season :|
The likely scenario is me succumbing to Alcoholism.
AngmarsKing701
Member
I watched The Matrix with one of my sons. The other one didn't want to see it yet. What. Ev.
Great fucking movie.
Agent Elrond!
AngmarsKing701
Member
BD/DVD combo of Willow just came out this past week I believe. Fun movie.
"He stole our blackroot!"
Edit: Fuck, double post. This thread is moving too slow.
Lee Chaolan
Member
Haven't seen Willow, an exgirlfriend loved it though. Is it similar to something like Labyrinth?
Wreck-It-Ralph is amazing though. Vanellope is awesome.
This off season hurts
it wont be that bad.
Steelers wouldnt let for example Keenan Lewis go if they didnt have a backup plan.
I agree wholeheartedly.
FrenchMovieTheme
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i don't think anyone should get down on their team in march/april/may. so much crazy shit happens every year that you can't predict. who would have thought wussle would be so good last year and turn the seachickens into a contender? who would have thought joe flacco would be a superbowl winning QB? who would have thought the colts would be a playoff team after going 2-14 the year before?
that is the beauty of the NFL!
that is the beauty of the NFL!
Futurevoid
Member
Think along the lines of The Hobbit without the bloat and glorious 80's effects and sensibilities (Murren, Tippett and other effects heavy weights working their magic) A staple of my childhood. I remember begging my parents to take me to see it when I was 10-11.
As mentioned, the BD/DVD combo just came out. It's 15 on Amazon.
You and I both called AZ being shit before the draft. Some teams suck. I also called the Colts but you guys can't be at Professor Football's level so I won't hold that against you
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Get out of my head Charles!
Just saw Wreck it Ralph tonight and its already one of my favorite animated movies of all time. I hope they make a sequel since there's so much they could expand on with the premise.
Random fact:
The lead character in Willow was also in Labyrinth. The little guy has a pretty interesting career. He's been in quite a few blockbusters. Star Wars, Harry Potter, Hitchhiker's Guide, Ray, etc.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
i used to love williow. i remember i watched the shit out of that movie on the vhs i had as a kid. i haven't seen it in years but i guarantee it stands the test of time. plus you get to see the rare non-fat val kilmer.
one time when i was working at a record store in hollywood val kilmer came in (this was in the early 2000's). he came in looking fucking tore up. wearing a grimey hawaiian shirt, flip flops, john stockon looking shorts.... just looking real disheveled and obviously high as fuck. so he's looking around for a bit and starts to hit up on this banging hot chick and after talking to her for a few minutes he scores her number and she is giggling and so on with him. must be nice to be famous
one time when i was working at a record store in hollywood val kilmer came in (this was in the early 2000's). he came in looking fucking tore up. wearing a grimey hawaiian shirt, flip flops, john stockon looking shorts.... just looking real disheveled and obviously high as fuck. so he's looking around for a bit and starts to hit up on this banging hot chick and after talking to her for a few minutes he scores her number and she is giggling and so on with him. must be nice to be famous
BannedEpisode
Member
Just got back from work. Good to see them make a deal with Jennings, I cant make any excuses for Ponder now.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
I still love Willow but I showed it to my wife just a few years ago, and she hated it.....
I'm not sure if it holds up since the effects were eclipsed by shows like Hercules much less stuff like LOTR.
I'm not sure if it holds up since the effects were eclipsed by shows like Hercules much less stuff like LOTR.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Yeah hopefully he fits in well. Glad we didn't go for Cruz having two first round picks is pretty cool.
ActStriker
Member
Wrayfield is good people.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Wait the Viqueens got Jennings?
And they paid WHAT for him?
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And they paid WHAT for him?
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