No, but he had a "fairly" more established crew than McNabb did. Brady couldn't stretch the field like Bledsoe could the first few season. The offense was a million times different than it is today.
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NFL Offseason Thread 2013 - Here comes the wait
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No, but he had a "fairly" more established crew than McNabb did. Brady couldn't stretch the field like Bledsoe could the first few season. The offense was a million times different than it is today.
Syracuse022
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I lol'd. So true.
Do you purposely refuse to see the part where it says you call McNabb an elite QB?
"The only ELITE QB that came into the league throwing to bad WRs was Tom Brady"
To which you respond "McNabb"
Now you argue you didn't call McNabb elite.
Truly baffling.
Freddie Mitchell was never a top receiver. Guy tried to sell himself in every way possible because he knew his football career was meaningless.
I'll stick up for McNabb, he was a great quarterback.
Not baffling when you consider he's a Philadelphia sports fan who probably watches Invincible and Rocky over and over again to get over his hurt feelings over 2004 and the Flyers in general! Thank God for Ryan Howard though!
All I really remember of McNabb is his bounce passes the last few years of his career and then him dancing and then banging on a window in Dallas.
Oh and puking in the Super Bowl or something like that.
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Chip Kelly says it will be an "open competition" for starting quarterback between Mike Vick and Nick Foles.
ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk
From Chip Kelly: "Some of the most uncoachable people in the world are coaches." <---- so damn true
Andrew Siciliano ‏@AndrewSiciliano
Will Chip Kelly or Pat Shurmur call the plays? "I'll call all the good plays, he'll call all the bad."
Chip Kelly says it will be an "open competition" for starting quarterback between Mike Vick and Nick Foles.
ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk
From Chip Kelly: "Some of the most uncoachable people in the world are coaches." <---- so damn true
Andrew Siciliano ‏@AndrewSiciliano
Will Chip Kelly or Pat Shurmur call the plays? "I'll call all the good plays, he'll call all the bad."
I think all this means is by week 3, Foles will be starting and Vick will be sitting out with an injury/fumble issues.
yankeehater
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I have already aid I was wrong to call Mcnabb elite. He was an elite QB in 2004, but he clearly didnt maintain that through the rest of his career. I dont consider Brady elite either though so I was just ignoring that part. I think both guys are pretty comparable in that neither won a SB but both got there, both had bad WRs in the beginning, and both had teams that won on D at the start of their careers. Clearly Brady has gone on to put up huge numbers the last few years, while Mcnabb has lazied himself out of the league, so the comparison looks silly now.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
"I don't consider Brady elite."
...oy.
...oy.
He's no Jim Kelly
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Different era, goddamn it. And Kelly would've had 4 rings if he played on those Pats teams, no doubt.
But, come on. Brady is a giant douchey, girly, ugg wearing freak of nature, but if he's not elite then nobody is. Fuck that guy.
Pretty sure the Steelers beat the SB champions with Charlie Batch as their QB.
HarryDemeanor
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Champ is coming back next season? He better get some help this time.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Of course they did. They're the Buffalo Bills. Why wouldn't we cut a workman LB with a knack for finding the ball carrier. We used to have London Fletcher filling that role on ILB, but fuck him too!
I need a drink
George Wilson too. Not great players but not awful either. Wonder how much Barnett has left
DeaconKnowledge
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Brady is the new McNabb.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Me too, I would be so happy if Milliner made it all the way to the Dolphins! Seems unlikely, though.
DeaconKnowledge
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I don't like the idea of the Giants taking Ansah. What if he's JPP 2.0?
Dutch Gronk
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You are aware that you're talking to Yankeehater?
I'm good with Damontre Moore.
Futurevoid
Member
T2 coming back with the Giants:
5-3 before Ben got hurt.
3-5 with bum Ben and the other healthy bums afterwards.
Also, who the fuck didn't beat the Ravens? Other than the Patriots and Niners...
WanderingWind
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Like I said, I'm terrible with keeping up with the players individual GAFfers have a hate on for.
yankeehater
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I dont like Brady I dont hide it. I just think you have to win a SB to even be in the discussion for really being elite. The Mannings and Rodgers are the top guys to me. Brady is a great regular season QB but he is a .500 guy in the playoffs since he lost his edge. He is the opposite of Flacco, Flacco sucks in the regular season and turns it on in the playoffs.
DeaconKnowledge
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Jamarcus gunna look good in a Jets uniform next year.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...amarcus-russells-road-back-to-the-nfl-trailer
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...amarcus-russells-road-back-to-the-nfl-trailer
yankeehater
Member
I am really easy, I hate cheaters big time. If the Pats had won since losing their cameras I would give them all the credit but they havent, so thankfully I dont have to.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Of course everybody hates Brady. That's like saying the sun is going to shine tomorrow* but it takes a special kind of hate to pretend like he sucks.
*Cleveland may not apply.
yankeehater
Member
So you are either elite or you suck, there is no in between?
The_Darkest_Red
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Do you consider Marino to be elite?
Dutch Gronk
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The answer is there. Marino hasn't won a SB, so he's not elite. At football at least, he might be elite at impregnating women.
A part of me wants him to succeed. Would be hilarious.
I noticed your hatred for cheating. Is that just a thing you were born with or did somebody cheat you out of your shiny Charizard Pokemon card?
Your's is the hate I love the most.
yankeehater
Member
That is such a hard question. He was so great, I would dread any time the Eagles had to play him, but he also never won a SB and didnt seem to play as well in the playoffs for what ever reason. There really almost needs to be a separate category for guys that are all time greats but werent able to win a championship for what ever reason. Marino would be at the top of that list though.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yup, you totally got it, you bright boy, you.
I'm done defending a woman I despise, but Brady is by any and all definition of the word elite. And I am so sick of that fucking word now, too.
That's because you understand.
There's a difference between hating on a player and not being able to judge his career accurately. You have to be completely irrational to think that Brady isn't a HOFer period.
As far as your question, most of the time fans don't really go into different degrees. How fun is it to say that Brandon Spikes is an okay defensive player in running situations?
You're a weird guy Ace.
Like it.
Reese mentioned the option to move him to Safety, but if not, the Bills did release S George Wilson and he has a history with Perry Fewell. He could provide that Deon Grant type role. If they were able to nab somebody like Wilson on cheap, it would make DB less important for an early pick in the draft - although Web's extraordinary contract is still awful.