CLE has a lot more room than BAL does this year. They can front load the contract so that BAL can't match it. But the thing is, Flacco would have to agree to that. He would have to sign it knowing that it would preclude BAL from signing him, meaning that the negotiations would have had to turned a bit with him and the Ravens
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NFL Offseason Thread 2013 - Here comes the wait
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CLE has a lot more room than BAL does this year. They can front load the contract so that BAL can't match it. But the thing is, Flacco would have to agree to that. He would have to sign it knowing that it would preclude BAL from signing him, meaning that the negotiations would have had to turned a bit with him and the Ravens
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yankeehater
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I understand that the Browns do have way more cap space this year, but giving Flacco some insanely frontloaded contract would make it very difficult for the Browns to add much else. They have a ton of holes, and I dont see how adding Flacco and some rookies fills those holes. Plus giving up 2 1st's would even limit the young talent they could add. I just dont see how it makes sense for the Browns to go after Flacco. I do expect Banner to be super aggressive in FA. I just dont think signing Flacco would be the best use of their resources. Next year Romo and Ryan can both be FA's. Fill in the other pieces this year and hope one of those guys becomes available next year.
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DeaconKnowledge
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Browns go after Flacco and they'll prove they're the same old Browns.
I wouldn't give up two firsts for Flacco. It's why I'm not sure BAL shouldn't just give him the non-exclusive tag and hope they get two #1s. Grossi thinks they could make plays for some of BAL's other FAs, the idea being they help themselves and hurt a rival.
Whatever BAL does, Ozzie is going to have to hit in the draft, b/c they will lose multiple key pieces this offseason. I really don't see them as contenders b/c of that, which should guide Ozzie. Get the cap and the roster in good shape to start a new run in 2014
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BaltimoreLarry
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The more cap space and draft picks, the better for a team that is old, has holes, and one of the best GMs in the game. There's a reason Ozzie has been here as long as he has; he predates the move. I have faith that he can minimize the rebuild time (you can't even say turn it around; we just won the Superbowl) if you provide him with the means. The issue will be if we resign Flacco and leave us with holes and no way to fill them adequately. If the Browns want Flacco and want to give us picks.....do it. If not, allow us to non exclusive franchise Joe for a slightly more manageable amount.
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Goro Majima
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Two first round picks from Cleveland are almost as valuable as two from the Lions!
Cleveland will continue to be awful if they spend that. Play Weeden this year, draft a great defensive player, and look to replace Weeden next season.
Cleveland will continue to be awful if they spend that. Play Weeden this year, draft a great defensive player, and look to replace Weeden next season.
yankeehater
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Yeah next year should be a much better year for QBs. I dont think it is a stretch to imagine a situation where the Cowboys miss the playoffs and let Romo walk. If Vick has a better year under Chip he will be a guy worth looking at, he is younger then Romo and he had a great 2010 heading into free agency, the draft next year is supposed to be much better for QBs. The Browns would be nuts to give up 2 1st's and a ton of money for Flacco.
I have no problem with the Browns paying big for Flacco. Their biggest asset is their LT who isn't getting any younger. Give him someone to protect. Flacco is only 28 years old. Guy can be a solid QB for the next 6 years while that division is essentially up for grabs.
Plus, not like the fucking Browns know what they are doing on draft day.
Plus, not like the fucking Browns know what they are doing on draft day.
yankeehater
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This is a great point. I hadnt considered it but Banner definitely seems like a sneaky guy who would leak something like this to hurt a division rival.
BaltimoreLarry
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We'll just tag him, if need be.
Another thing that I can't help but think about is the fact that Joe is a pompous, cocky, overly self assured dick. He's been calling himself elite since day one, and I always thought he overvalued himself. He seems like type where if we offered him 20 million and Cleveland offered 20 million and one cent, he'd go to Cleveland. Plus, I could also he him holding out if tagged. You know, 'cause he's a dick.
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Is there really a chance of the Ravens having him play this year on a tag? On NFLN they were saying if he gets tagged his cap hit would be over $20m this year. With the Ravens already $5m over that would seem crazy. I would think they need to sign him long term and go with a backloaded deal to lower the cap hit this year, unless they follow the squicken plan of blowing it up this year and doing a quick rebuild. Also if they tag him this year then they cant next year, right? So he would just walk at the end of the season for nothing.
amishpriest99
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I fully agree with this. No way I want to see the Browns cough up that much for Flacco...they might as well play Weeden and see what they can get out of him.
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BaltimoreLarry
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The majority of what I hear is that they'll tag if they can't sign to a long term deal, and we're going to have cap room with some of our retiring players, and we'll cut too.
But it doesn't matter. Ozzie is smart, he's not going to overpay or overcommit. (remember this post to refer to when he does both and I am a shattered man)
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I'm beginning to hate Ravens fans. I can't recall another group of Super Bowl winners hating their MVP so hard. Hell, if the Niners had won, they'd already be trying to enshrine Colon.
You should know the feeling of an albatross QB contract. They definitely won the SB b/c of Flacco, but they didn't really make the playoffs b/c of him
yankeehater
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If they signed Flacco for like 7 years $140m I would be pissed if I was a Ravens fan. Lots of guys have won SB MVPs that werent very good players. Flacco was great in the playoffs this year but he has been average during the regular season for most of his career.
Browns need a quarterback. Weeden is abysmal, the only thing worse is the crop of guys in this years draft class. Next year is better but not significantly so. I can almost guaranty that even if they don't make a huge splash, Weeden will not be the starting QB at the end of 2013. Someone like Matt Moore or Alex Smith will be there.
If they get a QB and a guard who isn't a total retard in the running game they could be a serious threat for a broken AFC North. 10 wins takes that division easily next year.
Draft an OLB for the 3-4, FA a guard like Vasquez and trade for Joe Flacco and boom, that's a tough team. Though, even Matt Moore is a significant improvement.
If they get a QB and a guard who isn't a total retard in the running game they could be a serious threat for a broken AFC North. 10 wins takes that division easily next year.
Draft an OLB for the 3-4, FA a guard like Vasquez and trade for Joe Flacco and boom, that's a tough team. Though, even Matt Moore is a significant improvement.
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But they definitely won the rest of the playoffs because of him. 20 million for a franchise back is pricey, but once again...what are the other options?
BaltimoreLarry
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This sums it up, as does what YankeeHater says next. I'll never forget the win, but if we can remain relevant in the near future, I'll take that over being bad and broke for the next few years. I'm fan of the team, not that player, and signing him long term for a load of money hurts the team.
Please don't let my informed opinion color your view of Ravens fans in general, as most don't agree with me. Say you're beginning to hate BaltimoreLarry, not Ravens fans.
yankeehater
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What about WRs? Especially with a guy like Flacco you need guys that can get deep and can fight for the ball. How many terrible throws did Boldin turn into completions? I am not really sure the Browns have anyone like that. I will say Norv and Flacco would be a great match though.
They're a weird group. The hate for Flacco is real in this city.
But Mr. Fumble at-the-wrong-time Ray Rice can't do any wrong. lol
Were they really terrible throws though? When Brady or Aaron does it, he's just "letting his WR make a play". When Flacco does it, he's getting bailed out? How do we discern the two?
I'm willing to give Weeden another year under a new HC and in a new system. Hey, this HC may even allow him to call audibles! But yeah, bring in another QB to give him some competition just don't give up a lot to bring in whomever this challenger is going to be.
Plenty of receiver gems in later rounds. Especially if all you need is a specialist. Or sign Braylon!
Lol, when does Rodgers ever throw contested lob balls? He always throws the deep ball deeper than deep to make sure only the receiver can get there. When he lobs it it's always intercepted.
Spectral Glider
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I just laugh at the idea of Flacco and Wallace with the Browns. Not that I don't think it couldn't happen, but just thinking of that clutch 3rd and 1 play Boldin made in the SB with a guy draped all over him. If you think Wallace makes that play, you're freaking nuts.
That's a fair point, but in general, Rodgers is so accurate, that he gets the benefit of the doubt. You just assume he is putting the ball in a place for his guy to make a play. Flacco is usually a sub 60% passer, and his ball placement is a usual criticism of his. Now in the SB, his accuracy was fantastic. He was making awesome throws.
Why would Flacco throw a pass "deeper than deep" to Boldin when he's not that fast of a WR? He does throw those types of passes to Torrey Smith. Boldin is a big bodied possession receiver and has shown that he'll win a majority of those passes. He lets his receiver make a play within his strengths, which is using his body.
I agree that his regular season stats are off. However, we gotta attribute some of it to the play calling and switch at tackle. During the playoffs, his numbers have been great. He was spot on throughout the playoffs. I think he's shown he can be decently accurate.
....so why would you compare the situations when you know they are wholly incomparable?? It's not the same throw, that's why people say Flacco is "throwing it up" (hint, because it's contested) while Rodgers is letting his receivers make a play (tip, it isn't contested).
I apologize, Aaron Rodgers has never thrown a contested pass ever in his entire NFL career. Every pass he throws is perfect, and away from the defensive back.
Once you get over the fact that I mentioned Aarons name, maybe you can realize my point. Top Tier QB's are given the benefit of the doubt when they throw any pass that is contested. When a top tier QB throws it, he's allowing his receiver to make a play. When Ponder throws it, he's making a terrible decision. I believe that Flacco should get a bit more credit for knowing receiver, trusting him and allowing him to make a play.
I didn't mention Aaron's name in that last paragraph, were you able to follow it?
Yeah I've heard those referred to as "earhole" throws b/c they are on a rope and right where only his guys can catch it. Flacco throws rainbows, and on a few of his big throws I got the feeling he was throwing into space more than leading his WR. That's not necessarily bad. RG3 and Wilson had a lot of those type of throws. SEA's WRs get knocked, but they were amazing on jump balls this year. Tate is a little guy but is insane in the air
Yeah, I'm not saying it's bad, just saying it's a totally different play than what most quarterbacks are running. Whining because guys who are throwing a totally different route open don't get "criticized" like Flacco is idiocy.
No they aren't, not really, they just don't generally throw rainbows into coverage and cross their fingers. Favre did with Walker and Freeman but I can't think of any other truly top tier QB's who had a jump ball as part of their game plan. That's the difference. It's a strategy for Flacco. It's part of his game. He isn't throwing contested passes because he is under pressure, he is throwing them because he has receivers who can get them.
It's a challenge to think he can repeat that performance without those guys but...it's as much a "draw a flag" strategy as it is a completed pass strategy so maybe smaller guys will get more calls.
I only zeroed in on Rodgers because Brady can't throw a ball deep enough to be a jump ball. When guys throw into deep coverage it's because it was a misread, a poor throw, or because they are Joe Flacco.
Lee Chaolan
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It's pretty much just this. Y'all are crazy if you think the Browns are going to give the Ravens anywhere close to 2 first rounders. The team losing the player can choose to accept less, although it won't happen either way.
They're going to drive up the price to hurt their old, battered rivals even more.
Yep this. and I wouldn't mind bringing it Mike Wallace to (at a reasonable price.)
Doesn't look like anyone thinks this actually.
Lee Chaolan
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I hope not. From some of this quotes it certainly looks like it
I'd give a conditional 1st next year depending on performance, since he'd want a huge contract. That's about all I'd give for him, he may have won a super bowl, but it wasn't all him. He's not as good as he thinks he is.So we aren't really too far apart in agreement.
I hope not. From some of this quotes it certainly looks like it
Brandon Weeden is about 1000x worse than you seem to think he is though. I think they should do it. I don't think they will. The Browns don't actually have a ton of holes and Weeden made them much, much worse than they actually are.
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