Sweeney Tom
Banned
@BruceFeldmanCFB
Was a big Manziel supporter there. RT @alexmarvez @Browns also parting ways with QB coach Dowell Loggains, source tells @NFLonFOX
RIP the Manziel Dream Train
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NFL Offseason Thread 2015 |OT| All of our teams suck!
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@BruceFeldmanCFB
Was a big Manziel supporter there. RT @alexmarvez @Browns also parting ways with QB coach Dowell Loggains, source tells @NFLonFOX
RIP the Manziel Dream Train
Really glad we took MacAdoo over him.
BertramCooper
Banned
I hope my fellow Browns fans enjoyed our year of mediocrity, because we're going to go back to being truly godawful next season.
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Plasticine
Member
Yes. Unless you're a Lions fan. Then you whine and moan and act delusional in the winners thread.
We play Seattle, Arizona, St. Louis, San Fran, Denver, Kansas City, San Diego next year to add on to our AFC North battles and bottom feeders in the AFC East and whoever else we play.
Fair to say it's going to be a very sad year unless something in the offense suddenly clicks. And even then.
Plasticine
Member
Kyle Long a fan of Chris Ballard's hair.
Hopefully his great hair isn't his only attribute since he's the current frontrunner for the Bears job.
Hopefully his great hair isn't his only attribute since he's the current frontrunner for the Bears job.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Gotta play who you pay.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
It was a no brainer according to Greg Cosell.
Also making the call from his couch.
Tawney Bomb
Member
I came to grips with this today when I heard the news.
I'm not ready for it, I wanted to not be just alright so bad and have it stick..
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. He has game film, not the TV broadcast.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
He's saying that coaches make the decisions from what they see in practice. Practice performance and habits are what dictate who plays on gameday.
Was Greg Cosell at Browns' practices watching all of Manziel's snaps? Doubtful. He's the same as you or I - calling for the next quarterback watching game film on Sunday from his couch. Only difference is that when Manziel bombs out of the league Cosell will just move on to the next one while Manziel's coaches all get fired.
Futurevoid
Member
To the detriment of the team apparently.
I have the game film, too. He doesn't coach Manziel. He didn't watch him suck ass in practice. Hoyer may have had a terrible streak, but the coaches and players knew he was the better option. The owner made the call and now the team is hemorrhaging coaches because of his meddling.
I would love if Pettine walked away for the sheer hilarity of who they could get to even interview. After the fiasco of last off season.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
No it doesn't. Productivity on game day does.
Cosell said point blank that Hoyer was unable to make the throws he used to and was not playing like a competent qb. He didn't say Manziel was any good, just that Hoyer stopped being a starting qb and switching was a no brainer.
Then you'd know in detail why Hoyer couldn't be the starter anymore, regardless of who the backup was.
Practice, lol. It was the end of the season.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
To the detriment of the team apparently.
Complaint around Steelers Nation is that Troy should have been benched in favor of Will Allen. Frankly I agree.
To the detriment of the team apparently.
That and pretty sure Mara was upset about him playing as well, that old players staying too long comment in the presser was as subtle as a sledgehammer.
I'm ok with Troy going out on his shield. They did bench Cortez and demoted Cam Thomas and Lance Moore. Troy didn't play because of his pay, it was in the hope that he'd find lightning in a bottle. He couldn't.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Oh you're one of those.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
I'm not sure what that means, nor do I get how practice is that significant that late in the season, especially considering that Hoyer was unable to run the offense for 4 consecutive games.
Futurevoid
Member
So would I. So he could be the Giants new defensive coordinator.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Hoyer was unable to run the offense for 4 consecutive games and the coaches still didn't want to put Manziel in. That doesn't say something to you?
(Of course it doesn't because you think only gameday matters.)
Pettine should take the Bill's hc position. Better, but similar, team with slightly less shitty ownership.
Whatever. Keep enabling Haslam. Things will never get better.
Whatever. Keep enabling Haslam. Things will never get better.
Futurevoid
Member
He already had that defense playing their asses off two season ago, too.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
That's beside the point. Playing Manziel wasn't ideal, but it was the only option all things considered.
Hoyer and Manziel's practice performance didn't mean shit. They both sucked.
Haslam isn't throwing multiple picks and no touchdowns.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
I love fans like him. It's the only thing that makes me happy the Browns are forever doomed. 3rd or 4th different OC in 5 years, over 20 QBs since coming back, and fans like him still don't think it's enough, and then wonder why they have 0 rings to show for it.
Fans said for years that Manziel would either be a big boom or a big bust in the NFL. Thanks for ensuring that the second he was drafted, he never had a chance to be anything but the latter.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Thanks for this. I have two guys on my last jobsite that were huge Giants fans and I kept calling out Jacquain for getting burned but they swore he was doing good. I will enjoy sending this article to them.
See ya later Antrel
Florida_Man_5000
Member
Bengal fan reporting for duty! I've got the 2-3 good games on my DVR untill next year. The de-pantsing of Manziel is my favorite.
Florida_Man_5000
Member
Sucks that our teams hurt each others playoff chances, but neither wanted to lose a division game.
Not like the Steelers were going to win anything with that defense and the Bengals are doomed with the ginger rifle. I'll take life's little victories where I can.
Thoughts on Hue Jackson as coach? I liked him in Oakland back in the day.
Florida_Man_5000
Member
Hard to say. Too many gadget plays but he did steal good plays from other teams like the "Georgia" run set from Pittsburgh. We also finished the season with our offense in triage mode. Andy regressed significantly under Hue's heavy run offense. But I think he's a great coach overall.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Didn't Texans have their pick of the litter with o-line coaches?
Wanted Munchak (Pittsburgh). Supposedly had Ferentz from Iowa hired and it fell apart somehow.
I think it's because Ferentz's buyout is like 30404040440440404040404 billion dollahs.
Browns talk can't even bring me down with Ohio State playing Monday. If we lose though I will truly be a defeated person.
I'd still probably find a way to lose by jumping of the edge and missing a down spike.
I'd still probably find a way to lose by jumping of the edge and missing a down spike.
VeryGooster
Banned
Racists with the green light for Raheem to talk to the Giants.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Munchak was the number 1 guy sure. I just remember there being a revolving door of o-line guys interviewing in Texas, plus the guy they let go from Kubes staff (who I wanted since I thought Steelers had no chance at Munch. He he.)
Benton. I hoped BOB would keep him.
Ferentz was not about money. He wanted to work with his dad but is friends with O'Brien. It was one of the sons not Kirk
What a ridiculous contract they gave him.
Hmmm.
Iowa would beg you take the dad now.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Pettine and the Browns are more than ok about what happened with Shanahan, and he was only going to be here for a year anyways.
Surprise hire. Chris Ballard seemed like a done deal. Young GM too, only 37 years old.