No shit. He's head and shoulders the best coach in football right now.
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No shit. He's head and shoulders the best coach in football right now.
John Fox is a veteran coach who had a Hall of Fame QB on a team with Super Bowl aspirations.
Chip Kelly is a new coach who has had average to below average QB play on a team that is still building towards being able to compete for a Super Bowl.
It's not hard to see why one was fired and one is considered one of the top up-and-coming coaches in the league.
Ninja Scooter
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Don't forget he also took that dog shit Colts team to the playoffs as the interim head coach.
DeaconKnowledge
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No I didn't. I said having a great offense doesn't mean shit if you don't win and cited the unemployed John Fox as an example. Chip Kelly hasn't won shit, and he's the 6th best coach in the league?!
John Fox coaching the Peyton Manning led offense is irrelevant. He is (was) the coach of that team and unless you have to physically call every play to have any credit he is at least in part responsible. John Fox also won with Tim freaking Tebow at QB.
I think it's adorable someone would put Kelly over McCarthy.
Bruce Arians took a fucking Tim fucking Couch led Cleveland fucking Browns team to the playoffs.
Guy is Jesus walking.
Bruce Arians took a fucking Tim fucking Couch led Cleveland fucking Browns team to the playoffs.
Guy is Jesus walking.
It's only because his revolutionary offense doesn't have Mariotta yet.
O'Brien is a hell of a coach and motivator. He will have this team eating nails and running through walls for him the next couple years
Alligatorjandro
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Who is that in your avatar
BaltimoreLarry
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That was a pretty nice write up for the Ravens. Harbs is a fine coach, but this team is what it is because of Ozzie.
DeaconKnowledge
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Slow news day.
No one knows football coaches better than this 16 year old roto kid.
Using that offense as an example of Fox's greatness is disingenuous. It would be like saying Chip that Chip Kelly was responsible for the Eagles defense if they came out and became elite. You would be better off comparing the overall team or the defense to the Eagles offense.
You said John Fox coached the team with the most prolific offense. That is true, but he has way less to do with than Chip Kelly's impressive offensive accomplishments at the pro level.
Bringing up Denver's offense when I argued Chip Kelly as a great offensive mind is where my disagreement stems.
Rotoworld is a really smart, well-written site. I trust their opinions as much as any site and more than ESPN.
About 7 minutes in, he talks about it. He doesn't mention what pick they would need to trade up for.
http://www.975thefanatic.com/teams/...-in-with-harry-and-eytan-from-the-nfl-combine
BlackGhost
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There's a good amount a tweets on the combine and draft today, if you can find them for your team.
DeaconKnowledge
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I'm not making an argument for John Fox as a great coach. I'm using him as an example to illustrate that winning is paramount. The amount of Chip Kelly's involvement in the offense is irrelevant. The Eagles under Kelly have never won in the playoffs. How can you be a top 10 coach if you've never won when it matters?
I mean well-written in that they don't rely on hot takes to generate clicks, they just produce smart content, but I guess if we want to critique their writing like we're in middle school, we could do that too.
The most "controversial" ranking from last year's version of the list was Bruce Arians at #8 after his first year, so I like his track record with this so far.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. That's a better argument to make.
Though, I would say right now Chip Kelly would be a top 10 overall coach in the league.
If there was a fantasy coach draft to determine who would coach each individual team, I am confident Chip Kelly would be a top 10 coach.
Both his Chip Kelly and Sean Payton rankings are garbage. Same with O'Brien. It's more a "most hyped coach" list and is written as such,. Belongs on a BR slideshow.
You called it a well written site, not sure how my pointing out the article is terribly written is "middle school."
Where would you rank Payton?
Well, I disagree.
DeaconKnowledge
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A ranking article is the definition of generating clicks.
What the hell has Bill O'Brien done to be a top 10 coach?
How do you figure that? None of the other guys belong in the top 10 over them.
You guys better not take Chip's boy!
Right, but what I said is that they don't rely on hot takes to generate clicks. They're still a website that aims to have people view their content, so yes, they do desire the generation of clicks.
I think he did an impressive job with a shitty team, without a quarterback, and without the #1 pick in the draft. Maybe he'll fall flat on his face next year and we'll see that the Texans benefited from an easy schedule, it's entirely possible, but from the information available to us, I think O'Brien did a hell of a coaching job last year.
Arians
Carroll
Belichick*
Harbaugh
McCarthy
Reid
Coughlin
Lewis
Payton
Fox
Of the guys with no track record I'd put none in the top ten but go:
Kelly
Zimmer
Pettine
O'Brien
The last two are kind of a coin toss but Pettine won under much more difficult circumstances.
I think Rex Ryan is a top ten coach as well, but that's just speculation at this point.
Carroll
Belichick*
Harbaugh
McCarthy
Reid
Coughlin
Lewis
Payton
Fox
Of the guys with no track record I'd put none in the top ten but go:
Kelly
Zimmer
Pettine
O'Brien
The last two are kind of a coin toss but Pettine won under much more difficult circumstances.
I think Rex Ryan is a top ten coach as well, but that's just speculation at this point.
BlackGhost
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I really like Mike Pettine as a HC, think he's a solid guy. I think For a lot of Browns fans he's a bright spot for us.
Yeah it's not a knock. I think all three are excellent coaches. I fucking love Zimmer. O'Brien has easily been the least impressive of that bunch. Christ I might have put him below Mike McCoy if I had remembered Mike McCoy existed.
DeaconKnowledge
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Hell of a coaching job = top 10 in the league? Eznark was spot on when he said it was most hyped. 9-7 is mediocre. Maybe he'll rise to be one of the best coaches in the league but right now he's barely taken his baby steps as a coach.
You can tell i'm anxious to talk about football..
Alligatorjandro
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What is this
When do we get nascar's elevator video?
DeaconKnowledge
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I feel bad for Mike Pettine. You can see the Browns dumbshit owner is going to meddle Pettine right out of a job.
Grover Cleveland
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Just got out of Kingsman.
Great movie.
Action was top notch and there was just enough charm and humor about it to keep it from being a cold faced gore-fest. Samuel L. Jackson playing a lisped evil knockoff Russell Simmons was hilarious.
Dat church scene tho.
Great movie.
Action was top notch and there was just enough charm and humor about it to keep it from being a cold faced gore-fest. Samuel L. Jackson playing a lisped evil knockoff Russell Simmons was hilarious.
Dat church scene tho.
Himynameischris
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I liked it too and yeah church scene was so great and the music made it amazing
Pettine won't take that shit.
I have exclusive footage from earlier this week when Jimmy tried to step in. Pettine put him in his place:
BlackGhost
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I think the owner genuinely likes mike pettine, and what ever meddling Haslam did before I think/hope he's learned from. Best thing I could hope for is that Pettine is here for the long haul. Haslam seemed to have pulled the trigger on hiring pettine too with the whole banner and Lombardi thing. The unsteady Qb thing is the main thing working against him....but it's been the same thing working against most our coaches.
One thing I like about the jags owner is that he's giving Bradley some time
Me wishing Danica would just punch that dude in the face.
BlackGhost
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lol I haven't been keeping up with the order, but why is every one going bat shit crazy about it? I don't even remember it looking that interesting in the previews/trailers
Edit: lol just saw this
Edit: lol just saw this
You picked out one line you considered bad writing and used that to denigrate the writing of the entire article and the site itself. When I look for a sports site with "good" writing, I'm less concerned with their prose and more their point of view, what they have to say, and how well they back up what they're writing. You can say that you disagree with some of the rankings, fine, that's great, I disagreed with the rankings too, obviously everyone will have a different opinion because it's not an empirical process. Frankly, if you consider every piece of writing with which you disagree "bad" then you're probably an idiot (not that I think you are, I just mean that generally).
Zvonimir Boban
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:jnc at England being ripped apart here
Officerrob
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This would basically give the Raiders 9 home games a year, but why does that stadium look like a futuristic cruise ship?
Here's a joint statement from the Raiders and Chargers:
Also:
Arash Markazi ✔ @ArashMarkazi
If the Chargers and Raiders both move to LA, one would go to the NFC. I'm hearing both would be OK with it in order to make the move happen.