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Jets need alot of things, including a QB.
Goro Majima
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Gonna be hilarious when Mariota is a bust.
Schefter isn't even saying the Browns are considering it, just that they find it "intriguing."
NFL rumor mongering is reaching new lows every single day,
I'm kinda curious what would'e become of Mariota if Chip wasn't in the league hyping him up. Maybe he'd meet or expectations with a team then, but how can he live up to this now?
Could happen. It's hard to justify all that risk on one prospect.
And any team that thinks Mariota can start immediately is nuts. Rookie QBs should have at least a year to develop.
Said yesterday I don't get the fascination with either of the top two QBs this year. And I am a fan of as QB lacking team
BlackGhost
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Idk how interested the Browns are in giving 3 1s. I don't personally think it would take that much personally if it did happen. Do doubt we have interest but we'll see how far that interest goes.
This isn't a surprise ethier, I've said since the end of the season we should proceed as of manziel can't be counted on. The first off season thread I said there would be interest in mariota.
Now do I think it'll happen? As of now no.
Depends how far he slides
Edit: pretty much what ez said
This isn't a surprise ethier, I've said since the end of the season we should proceed as of manziel can't be counted on. The first off season thread I said there would be interest in mariota.
Now do I think it'll happen? As of now no.
Depends how far he slides
Edit: pretty much what ez said
Himynameischris
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Yeah there are no QBs this year. I don't know if Tannehill will be the one or even a franchise guy but I'm glad we aren't currently in need of a QB.
Jayson Braddock on Twitter stated that if Mariotta entered the draft last year he has inside people in Houston saying he would have been the #1 overall pick .
Houston and Dallas would be the worst places for Manziel to go to. For someone coming out of rehab the pressure from media and fans would be unbearable.
There's a few variables that makes me think it's a good move for Tennessee. No, they're most likely not going to be SB contenders if they acquire Rivers, but that division is not very good right now and they can at the very least contend for the division or at least a wildcard spot. Rivers is still a very good player. Not super talented at WR, though.
I'd say a trade offer would be #2 for Rivers, Chargers 1st (17), their 2nd, and probably a pick next year. Maybe less since Rivers is included. Look what bums like Bradford, AJ Feeley, Matt Cassel, Kevin Kolb, etc. received.
Oh, Browns.
Oh damn wasn't expecting that. Damn I'm really curious to see where he ends up, though I hope the Chargers get him over the Browns with the way they kil QBs
Mackenzie 92
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Mariota has a lot of the qualities that teams want,
Size
Smarts
Pocket presence
Mobility
Decision making
Good arm
Character
Winston has better arm talent and accuracy down the field and good anticipation but his decision making is terrible on and off the field.
Size
Smarts
Pocket presence
Mobility
Decision making
Good arm
Character
Winston has better arm talent and accuracy down the field and good anticipation but his decision making is terrible on and off the field.
manfestival
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please stop talking about mariotta
ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
winston will take us to the promised land, it is settled. Now you can relax
ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
winston will take us to the promised land, it is settled. Now you can relax
The_Darkest_Red
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Winston has inconsistent decision making on the field but I wouldn't call it terrible across the board. He actually has a very good football mind and learns quickly so I think it's something that could be corrected with time and coaching.
I think Winston has better pocket presence, the Oregon fumble was horrific, but it doesn't discount his past performances.
Grover Cleveland
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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago
On Jameis Winston: Potential #Jets visit may not happen. Winston wasn’t able to do it when NYJ proposed, sides having trouble finding a time
Unemployed person can't make the time to do an interview with an interested employer?
Pretty sure he just doesn't want to play there, Jack.
As for Winston's decision making, he went 40TD/10INT his freshman year. I think his "poor" decision making last year was the result of him trying to go for homeruns every play to compensate for a less talented team around him. Every expert who's been in the room with him lauds his football mind. We saw him have Mooch speechless with his work on the whiteboard.
On Jameis Winston: Potential #Jets visit may not happen. Winston wasn’t able to do it when NYJ proposed, sides having trouble finding a time
Unemployed person can't make the time to do an interview with an interested employer?
Pretty sure he just doesn't want to play there, Jack.
As for Winston's decision making, he went 40TD/10INT his freshman year. I think his "poor" decision making last year was the result of him trying to go for homeruns every play to compensate for a less talented team around him. Every expert who's been in the room with him lauds his football mind. We saw him have Mooch speechless with his work on the whiteboard.
The_Darkest_Red
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Ironically, Winston outplayed Mariota in that game.
Mariota wasn't great against tOSU as well.
Winston's team lost so much talent from the offense from frosh to soph year.
OSU game was a little more understandable though. His line got mauled.
The_Darkest_Red
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Real talk, bros. I watched Winston's first game against Pittsburgh back in 2013. I had never heard of the kid. He went 25/27 for 356 and 4 TD's and he was making all of the throws, not just dinking and dunking Tom Brady style. At that moment I had a feeling that the kid was going to be something special.
Maybe he'll ruin his potential by being an idiot but I'm inclined to think otherwise. My gut says he'll be a great player for years to come.
Bookmark this post to laugh at me a few years from now when he pulls a JaMarcus.
Maybe he'll ruin his potential by being an idiot but I'm inclined to think otherwise. My gut says he'll be a great player for years to come.
Bookmark this post to laugh at me a few years from now when he pulls a JaMarcus.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
So if he couldn't make smart decisions with less talent in the NCAA, how's he going to succeed in the NFL with the worst team in the league?
Sounds like every QB prospect coming into the draft.
Chances are both of these guys don't pan out and its just another terrible qb class, but if any of these QBs can make it at the next next level for me It's Winston.
The_Darkest_Red
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It's not like he had an abysmal year, he led an average team to an undefeated season before losing in the CFB playoff.
Bucs have Evans and V. Jackson at least.
Grover Cleveland
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Whoever drafts him is not going to put nearly the load on him initially as he got in college.
Literally every game for FSU rode on Winston's arm. The Bucs (nor would they for Mariota) aren't going to put him in that situation as a rookie.
And let's be real, the Bucs have Vincent Jackson, Mike Evans, and Austin-Sefarian Jenkins. They aren't hurting for offensive talent.
Goro Majima
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I think Winston is better than Mariotta for sure just so we're all clear.
I'm just not sure if I even see him surpassing a guy like Cam Newton in ability. I think Winston could have benefited from another year in college but only an idiot would risk injury so I understand why he's in the draft this year. He needs a lot of work and I'm just skeptical that he'll be able to overcome all that.
The_Darkest_Red
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He's not really similar to Cam at all in terms of playing style. He's not nearly as athletic or mobile but he has better pocket presence and he's a much better passer. I think he's the most NFL ready QB prospect since Luck. No one is going to come in without some areas in their game that need work, you know?
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
I wasn't making a one to one comparison (racist.)
I was basically thinking in Madden terms of their "OVR" score haha. If Cam Newton is an 85 or whatever then I don't see Winston doing better than that. Another way of saying that might be that I feel like Cam Newton was a much better prospect coming into the league than Winston.
Mallett has the strongest arm of the 3 and already know the system. Not like he has a lot of wear and tear on him from prior years.
Give him a full off season here and see what he can do. Funny enough both Mallet's and Hoyers contracts are set up that they can both be cut next year with no cap hit
The_Darkest_Red
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Cam is a better athlete but I think Winston could develop into a better QB. Lots of speculation at this point in the process, obviously.
As far as comparisons I always saw him as a Big Ben type guy, maybe with a little Eli thrown in.
This post is amazing.
It is all factually correct.
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The_Darkest_Red
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I'm just amazed that you actually answered Bread's question in a way that attempted to suggest Mallett was worth mentioning alongside Winston and Mariota.
Mallett is a career backup.
Why is that? Because he could not beat out Brady?
Please show me evidence of this. Serious question
Same question: why is it funny? I stated a couple facts and you two haven't answered anything. Just "lol OMG career backup!!!111!"
Insightful posts.
The_Darkest_Red
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You sound like me talking about Tyrod Taylor. Just because he couldn't beat out Flacco doesn't mean he isn't a stud! Now that he's with Buffalo you'll see! You'll allllllllllllll see!
Let's get to the real questions here, who do you take between Mallett, Winston, and Brock Osweiler?
Answer my question: what makes him a career back up?
Hoyer I can understand if you make that comment.
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Some of you have been drinking the kas Kool-aid.
Grover Cleveland
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Let's do this in the only scientific way I know how.
If you would take Ryan Mallett over your current starter, post "aye".
All others, post "nay"
If you would take Ryan Mallett over your current starter, post "aye".
All others, post "nay"
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