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Nvm. I thought he was 28.

When do we find about Collins? Tomorrow? Eagles need to sign him asap.

I don't think anything happens until he's totally cleared. I think he's going to sue the league and get into the supplemental draft. It's such a unique situation that was completely out of his control (assuming he's not involved).
 

Malalaw

Member
I've been able to witness a Waffle House being built from the ground up within the past month, being that its right across from where I am. It's amazing how fast they work.

#TrulyBlessed
 

chuckddd

Fear of a GAF Planet
My Steelers draft thoughts. I'm going to talk about the individual guys and then some trends.

1 - Alvin 'Bud' Dupree, olb, Kentucy - A surprise that he fell to 22. His production didn't match his combine measurables. Looking at his tape, I believe that he doesn't always initiate contact with the offensive tackle when playing the run or pass. He shows it at times, but not consistently. If he can just fire the first shot, he's going to be a beast. Amazing first step and burst. 10 yard split is the same as Amari Cooper. It's going to take a year or two, imo, but he'll be good.

2 - Senquez Golson, cb, Mississippi - A former Red Sox center fielder that has a great feel for tracking the football. And catching the football. Willing and capable tackler. Not the greatest combine numbers and is on the small side.

3 - Sammy Coates, wr, Auburn - A physical beast. Reminds me of Terrell Owens. Dropped a lot of easy balls and caught a lot of difficult ones. Played in a limited offense with a limited quarterback. A little ahead of where Bryant was last year.

4 - Doran Grant, cb, Ohio State - A competitive guy with decent athleticism. Also a willing tackler. Played a lot of zone scheme, as did Golson. That's fine, because that's what the Steelers do, too.

5 - Jessie James, te, Penn State - Big. Really tall, really raw. Mostly a blocker in college, but flashed an ability to run routes and catch. His blocking was adequate, but not great.

6 - LT Walton, de, Central Michigan - About the right size for a swing tackle but could stand to be in better shape. Probably a guy who'll be a project, end up on the practice squad and then be picked up by the Cardinals in mid-season.

6 - Anthony Chickillo, olb, Miami - Played with his hand down in college. Total project at olb. Big, decent athlete.

7 - Gerod Holliman, s, Louisville - Consensus all-american who had 14 total interceptions. Will also lay the wood.

Standing back and looking at these guys, a few trends stand out.

Firstly, both of the olb picks are big guys. Could this be a sign that new d-coordinator, Dick Butler, will use an 'elephant' position? If Chickillo makes the squad, the answer is a definitive yes.

The Steelers drafted 3 defensive backs. They're all good to great tacklers. They also all showed an ability to defend and intercept the football in the air. Good news, imo.

The biggest weakness of the offense last year was red zone scoring. Both of the receiver picks are big guys that should be able to pluck lobbed footballs.

For the second year in a row, the Steelers got a couple of highly rated sparq guys, in Dupree and Coates. Last year, it was Shazier and Bryant.

Overall, not the most exciting draft. Hopefully it does provide years of productivity at a few areas of need.
 

effzee

Member
Eagles update:

Time will tell if Chip works as a GM but in his full draft with final say he made mostly logical picks and stuck to his board. No crazy deals, not one Oregon player picked, and even traded down for a 3rd next year.

But I wonder why fire these guys after the draft? Were they even involved at all?
 

effzee

Member
I don't think anything happens until he's totally cleared. I think he's going to sue the league and get into the supplemental draft. It's such a unique situation that was completely out of his control (assuming he's not involved).

For some reason I had heard Tuesday as the say things would be cleared.

Really sad that the baby passed away as well. Hope Collins wasn't involved.
 

MechDX

Member
Time will tell if Chip works as a GM but in his full draft with final say he made mostly logical picks and stuck to his board. No crazy deals, not one Oregon player picked, and even traded down for a 3rd next year.

But I wonder why fire these guys after the draft? Were they even involved at all?

Standard protocol. These are the guys who did all you scouting in the fall during the season. Can't fire them in March when all your draft prep is hitting high gear.
 
Time will tell if Chip works as a GM but in his full draft with final say he made mostly logical picks and stuck to his board. No crazy deals, not one Oregon player picked, and even traded down for a 3rd next year.

But I wonder why fire these guys after the draft? Were they even involved at all?

It's very common for an incoming GM to let the former GMs guys go after the draft. Doing it before the draft is risky because it takes time to get your guys set up and in place, and to train the scouts to do things the way you want in regards to draft analysis. So this happens after the draft almost always. Now the new guys essentially are coming in at the beginning of the process of preparing for next year. It's the best time to make these sorts of personnel changes.

Regarding Kelly and the draft, I think he did a good job. People are paranoid that he didn't draft OL, but did you know, for example, that the Patriors, Packers, Seahawks, and Colts offensive lines are made up of 50% UDFA?
 
Cowboys:

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 15m15 minutes ago
Cowboys decline to pick up fifth-year option on Morris Claiborne

Jets also dumping scouts from the previous regime:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-with-director-of-pro-personnel-five-scouts/

The Jets got good marks for coming away from the draft with players like defensive lineman Leonard Williams and wide receiver Devin Smith, but they still decided to make changes to their scouting department when the three days of picks came to an end.

The Jets announced that they have fired director of pro personnel Brendan Prophett and college scouts Rick Courtright, David Hinson, Cole Hufnagel, Chris Prescott and Seth Turner.

“I appreciate their contributions to the organization and wish them the best in the future,” General Manager Mike Maccagnan said in a statement.

All six of the men were holdovers from previous regimes and Maccagnan, hired this offseason, will be restocking the organization with his choices for the jobs. The Jets previously parted ways with former General Manager Terry Bradway and Jeff Bauer, two senior members of the scouting department, but teams often hold onto scouts they plan to let go through the draft to keep their own plans from leaking to other teams.
 

ampere

Member
People want to place bets on Bradford's knees? Hate seeing a guy get hurt, but might as well bet on it.

I say by week 4 he's out for the season.
 
People want to place bets on Bradford's knees? Hate seeing a guy get hurt, but might as well bet on it.

I say by week 4 he's out for the season.

Can we put conditions on it? He's out by week 6 if two offensive linemen go down, out by week 12 if one offensive lineman goes down, and plays 15 games otherwise.
 
Overall, not the most exciting draft. Hopefully it does provide years of productivity at a few areas of need.
Mirrors my feeling on the Giants draft. A few question marks and nothing sexy but if they work out, some big areas of need will have been addressed. Specific to the Giants, the trenches got bigger and tougher.
 

Draxal

Member
Mirrors my feeling on the Giants draft. A few question marks and nothing sexy but if they work out, some big areas of need will have been addressed. Specific to the Giants, the trenches got bigger and tougher.

Giants first half was great, second half was um ... nope. Other than Kennard, they really haven't hit a player in the third day in a long time.
 

SonnyBoy

Member
Redskins Draft: Our new GM brought direction to our draft process. In years past, the draft was an afterthought for this team. More recently, the draft was held in higher regard but was utilized without rhyme or reason.

Despite the names acquired via the draft, the best acquisition is GM Scot McCloughan. With this draft, he's providing the Redskins with an identity... That's something they haven't had in 10+ years. He selected players with size, great work ethic and who love football. It's the same blueprint that we've witnessed with the 49er's and the Seahawks, both of whom Scot worked for previously.

Darn near every player selected in this years draft will impact the Redskins most heavily in the following ways:
- special teams
- depth
- competition

In years past, the Redskins would draft a player in later rounds who couldn't play special teams. The units suffered, the player was never developed (for multiple reasons) and they ended up with players taking up roster spots yet contributed nothing. This will change this season.

The win/loss record may marginally improve but what you will see is a team with a different mindset and highly competitive.
 

squicken

Member
It's very common for an incoming GM to let the former GMs guys go after the draft. Doing it before the draft is risky because it takes time to get your guys set up and in place, and to train the scouts to do things the way you want in regards to draft analysis. So this happens after the draft almost always. Now the new guys essentially are coming in at the beginning of the process of preparing for next year. It's the best time to make these sorts of personnel changes.

Regarding Kelly and the draft, I think he did a good job. People are paranoid that he didn't draft OL, but did you know, for example, that the Patriors, Packers, Seahawks, and Colts offensive lines are made up of 50% UDFA?

Exactly. Scouting and front office contracts run through the draft. It's why old pro personnel and scouting directors almost always stick around through the draft, even if there's a regime change

Chip had some comments over the weekend about everyone working together now. I guess when he left, Reid said the same thing. Roseman seems to be an alienating presence
 
Giants first half was great, second half was um ... nope. Other than Kennard, they really haven't hit a player in the third day in a long time.
I struggle to get excited about the second half of the draft in general though. The possibility of those players having an impact is low-ish to begin with. When was the last time even before Reese? Cofield in the 4th maybe?

Tyler Sash and Jacquain Williams had impacts on the 2011 Super Bowl team as special teamers and back-ups. Williams never was able to move up to that starter role but we seem to get those type of players in the latter half and that's what I see out of this draft. Top 3 impact players, latter half focus on beefing up our special teams play (which will invariably be shit thanks to Tom Quinn anyways). Hell Coughlin even said about the WR we drafted in the 6th "That doesn't project so well" about him actually playing WR. He doesn't have the quickness to separate from press but he's a helluva a special teams guy.

I hope that Kennard and Berhe work out. I think Kennard in particular has a bright future if he can stay healthy.
 
Exactly. Scouting and front office contracts run through the draft. It's why old pro personnel and scouting directors almost always stick around through the draft, even if there's a regime change

Chip had some comments over the weekend about everyone working together now. I guess when he left, Reid said the same thing. Roseman seems to be an alienating presence

I get the impression that Roseman was all about office politics. He was trying to put his guys everywhere in the organization as much to protect his power as it was to get things done.
 

effzee

Member
Regarding Kelly and the draft, I think he did a good job. People are paranoid that he didn't draft OL, but did you know, for example, that the Patriors, Packers, Seahawks, and Colts offensive lines are made up of 50% UDFA?

That doesn't prove anything cause not all those lines are good. The Colts line in particular is really bad.

I'm hoping 1-2 OL guys they signed as UDFA work out and can be at least depth guys. Still have some veteran cuts around camp time to go through. It's not that I'm worried about the starting line. I think if they stay healthy they will be a top 5 oline.

Worry is that they won't stay healthy and are aging. Should be ok for this season. Next draft will be line heavy similar to how this year was db heavy.
 
That doesn't prove anything cause not all those lines are good. The Colts line in particular is really bad.

I'm hoping 1-2 OL guys they signed as UDFA work out and can be at least depth guys. Still have some veteran cuts around camp time to go through. It's not that I'm worried about the starting line. I think if they stay healthy they will be a top 5 oline.

Worry is that they won't stay healthy and are aging. Should be ok for this season. Next draft will be line heavy similar to how this year was db heavy.

I'm not saying it proves anything, and they're not among the best offensive lines in the league, but what it DOES mean is that you can get OL talent with UDFAs, and you can use that talent to go to/win the superbowl.
 

effzee

Member
Exactly. Scouting and front office contracts run through the draft. It's why old pro personnel and scouting directors almost always stick around through the draft, even if there's a regime change

Chip had some comments over the weekend about everyone working together now. I guess when he left, Reid said the same thing. Roseman seems to be an alienating presence

Roseman felt in the past Reid would hold on to certain players too long and that they should have traded McNabb for example 1-2 years prior to when they actually did.

He talked Lurie into separating the two to allow him to make some tough choices.

I really never felt Eagles were holding on to players too long. In fact I felt they were in too much of a rush and used the plus 30 rule too rigidly especially when they had no real backup plans.

Anyone need a MLB? Raiders standout Miles Burris was just cut. Will be a great pickup for some lucky team.

Why are they Raiders cutting him?
 
This was the one major need the Dolphins completely failed to address in the draft. I was kind of surprised, to be honest.

Yup and we got another DT in the second round instead, That was a baffling move. Even if they planned to move Jordan to LB, they were aware of his suspension before the draft and they were going to trade him anyways so I have no idea what they are thinking regarding that group. Seems like they address every other need. I hope Philbin doesn't think what we have now is "enough", the thought the same thing regarding our Guards last year and look where that got us.



And yet I feel like this might be an improvement over ours :(
 
Yup and we got another DT in the second round instead, That was a baffling move. Even if they planned to move Jordan to LB, they were aware of his suspension before the draft and they were going to trade him anyways so I have no idea what they are thinking regarding that group. Seems like they address every other need. I hope Philbin doesn't think what we have now is "enough", the thought the same thing regarding our Guards last year and look where that got us.
Seriously, what is the thinking with that Phillips pick? Every other pick was a clear need which makes a second round DT pick even more odd. I'm not saying it's a bad pick necessarily as I don't know much about the guy but it just surprised me.

Then after the draft you saw the Dolphins picking up UDFA LB's like crazy, haha.
 
If he is rated the worst then realistically he can not be an improvement

Did you ever think that maybe he played bad so he wouldn't have to play for the Raiders and he's going to come to Miami and have a pro-bowl career? Much like how a lot of our players suck ass in Miami but leave to become great else-where?

Seriously, what is the thinking with that Phillips pick? Every other pick was a clear need which makes a second round DT pick even more odd. I'm not saying it's a bad pick necessarily as I don't know much about the guy but it just surprised me.

Then after the draft you saw the Dolphins picking up UDFA LB's like crazy, haha.

Yup! Seems like we can't have a normal off-season without some head scratching moves, regardless of who's in charge. I don't believe for a second that there wasn't a better LB prospect in the 2nd or 4th round better then those UDFA that they signed. Being a Dolphin fan is tough :(
 

MechDX

Member
Did you ever think that maybe he played bad so he wouldn't have to play for the Raiders and he's going to come to Miami and have a pro-bowl career? Much like how a lot of our players suck ass in Miami but leave to become great else-where?

Cuts off Trejo's WiFi in the garage .....
 

chuckddd

Fear of a GAF Planet
Mirrors my feeling on the Giants draft. A few question marks and nothing sexy but if they work out, some big areas of need will have been addressed. Specific to the Giants, the trenches got bigger and tougher.

Yeah. When I read your write up, I thought the same.
 

squicken

Member
Roseman felt in the past Reid would hold on to certain players too long and that they should have traded McNabb for example 1-2 years prior to when they actually did.

He talked Lurie into separating the two to allow him to make some tough choices.

I really never felt Eagles were holding on to players too long. In fact I felt they were in too much of a rush and used the plus 30 rule too rigidly especially when they had no real backup plans.



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From a contracts/cap perspective, that is his role. Teams do have to make tough choices on veterans. I keep seeing this Brandon Marshall trade reported w/o anyone mentioning the salaries of the players involved
 
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