DeaconKnowledge
Member
Now that it's been confirmed this way I'm even more sold on my previous opinion. There is virtually no difference between the One and the PS4.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
NFL Offseason Thread |OT3| The Long Wait
- Thread starter squicken
- Start date
Now that it's been confirmed this way I'm even more sold on my previous opinion. There is virtually no difference between the One and the PS4.
They're still trying to sell a console and a service to you. Tech companies may be kinda blind to human fears sometimes, but they're still comprised of humans themselves, and they know that there's a line to be drawn. No consumer would buy a "stealth listening device", even for $0.
I mean, that's kinda the point MS is making with all those dumb Scroogled commercials. Unlike the Google stuff, you're actually paying for MS services.
Futurevoid
Member
Outside of controller preferences, online services and first/second party offerings, yeah.
Or is it reading some type of ID on the disc? I had similar questions during the Sony conference when they were talking about full game installs. Just curious how they are handling it on the technology side more than anything else.
Probably still spawns you 10 feet in front of the barrel of an enemy player's gun too.
I'm not going to go all tin-foil hat and tell you that they're actually selling you a stealth listening device in disguise, but the remote possibility that it could be done is too much for me. That shit needs to be nipped in the bud. A hundred baby steps can get you a lot farther than one giant leap.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Outside of controller preferences, online services and first/second party offerings, yeah.
Just like PS360.
Can we abbreviate it XBO? When I think XB1 I think this.
Outside of controller preferences, online services and first/second party offerings, yeah.
Or is it reading some type of ID on the disc? I had similar questions during the Sony conference when they were talking about full game installs. Just curious how they are handling it on the technology side more than anything else.
No they can't code every individual disk. You get an activation key when you buy the game
Grover Cleveland
Member
Gaming side is a fucking mess.
Everybody just needs to chill out.
Everybody just needs to chill out.
Futurevoid
Member
Ok, but unless the game is generating a new activation code everytime its placed in a new console those are usually one time use. When you trade the disc in at GameStop - I'm wondering how the deactivation and reactivation works on the consumer side...
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Future, not sure you remember this but about a year ago we had a discussion about the next gen bringing increased physics to the games. Seeing what you've seen today do you still think that's going to happen?
Alligatorjandro
Banned
At this rate i'll just stick with the 3DS.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Simple - Disc is worthless.
This is kinda funny to me. I mean. you're probably quite tech-knowledgeable. So you're probably aware of how much more difficult it is to handle spoken word compared to text.
Probably just about everything you write on the internet is screened at some point. Yet you're scared about speech? I'll be happy if "Xbox go home" works all the time. I'm not scared that me saying "check out J-Lo's badonkadonk" would result in latina porn ads on my dashbord within the next five years at all.
Or do you think they'll hire 100,000 Chinese kids to listen in on everything you say?
Damn. CableBox 1 is getting murdered on the gaming side. I'll stop now.
Well, it'll be faster than downloading all of the game data. But, yes, it looks like the old pc cd-key activation codes. SecuROM, here we come!
Well, it'll be faster than downloading all of the game data. But, yes, it looks like the old pc cd-key activation codes. SecuROM, here we come!
Grover Cleveland
Member
Lost in the Gaming Side shuffle is the fact that EA's apparently making games for WiiU again.
WiiU not dead, snes can be taken off suicide watch now.
WiiU not dead, snes can be taken off suicide watch now.
My guess is that it's license codes, and the discs exist merely as a faster medium for install (versus download). Put the code in, install, play, etc. When you go to sell, login to your account, and transfer license to the buyer.
I'm hoping this will happen for a couple of different reasons. First, the game lives outside of the medium. Break or lose a disc, you still have the license tied to the account. Second, it allows for a disc-less system. I'm ready to make the full-fledged dive into DD IF there are license transfer/resales. Personally, I'm sick of discs and swapping them around.
I just want to say "XBOX ON, PLAY ELDER SCROLLS", and not have to deal with all the other stuff.
Fucking dumbass fish in Mario swim towards you! Wii U is clearly lesser tech.
Futurevoid
Member
I think we're already seeing that in games like Watch Dogs which uses advanced physics for things like the main characters coat animation, crashes, etc. Recently released Metro Last Light has some impressive PhysX enabled effects that would not doubt be used with these new consoles whereas the PS360 ports are shells in comparison to their PC counterpart. I would say, yes to your question. If next gen Madden doesn't have a true physics engine then EA needs to burn in hell.
Are we going to see that used in a way that significantly pushes gameplay forward? No clue man. The first two years of this new gen is likely going to be a prettier versions of stuff we see today on the market. After that, who knows.
I do have hope that first/second party studios will really take advantage of the hardware though and lead the way in pushing things not only visually but in the realm of AI, physics and meaningful interactions in gaming that dont just involve a gun. I'm honestly dying for the FPS market to collapse already.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
It doesn't.
They're basically declaring war against Gamestop. It'll be fascinating to see what happens on that front.
As somebody who cut the cord a while ago the non gaming aspects of XB1 doesn't really appeal to me. I really can't believe they didn't bring out 1 megaton game to throw a bone to the people who are actually going to be there early. But I guess that will come at E3? Maybe?
To me the worst thing is no backwards compatibility. I never bought a 360 so having BC would have compelled me to eventually pick one up.
I'm saying that getting a device that could do it down the road in your house now is one less barrier they'd have to face if they ever wanted to do voice-recognition ads. I think you'd be surprised what some voice-recognition software can do. Yes, it's not perfect, but the search-based ads being used now aren't perfect either.
On a more practical level, my personal information is very valuable. If you want even the potential of accessing it, you need to give me something I find worthwhile in return. I do not deem voice commands worthwhile.
I obviously know that my information could very easily be out there on the internet, but I'm getting something in return for it (usually convenience). Getting voice command functionality in return is basically getting nothing for me.
Did you not see the mo-capped dog? Browns fans are all in, day one.
Futurevoid
Member
I'm drunk and I've been hungry for far too long.
Edit: I have yet to find an explanation for "One". Seems like there would've been about a million names that make more sense.
They are doing games at E3. I think they have mishandled all of this, but if they nail E3, nothing today matters
I do empathize with cdy. We're going to be at a point within the next five years where our devices have even more vectors for inputs. Right now it's largely text and location data, and location data is not even fully realized quite yet. Android is just now working geofencing into the core package. I mean the advantages for location data are quite obvious. If Google (just as an example) knows that you do all your grocery shopping at Kroger and Trader Joe's, tend to shop for clothes at certain stores (say Banana Republic), frequent golf clubs, etc.; they can create a more full picture of you as a consumer. That information can be made to infer relative disposable income, habits and brand preferences, etc.
The vectors beyond that - voice, vision (if wearable takes off), and biofeedback - I am really uncomfortable with the idea of freeing up the use of that information for third parties. There's a certain point where it's no longer convenient for me.
I am interested to read Scoble's perspective on this when his book comes out. It's true that this level of contextualization should, hypothetically, make our lives much simpler. But then he starts talking about "not need to make unnecessary decisions," and I'm creeped out.
The vectors beyond that - voice, vision (if wearable takes off), and biofeedback - I am really uncomfortable with the idea of freeing up the use of that information for third parties. There's a certain point where it's no longer convenient for me.
I am interested to read Scoble's perspective on this when his book comes out. It's true that this level of contextualization should, hypothetically, make our lives much simpler. But then he starts talking about "not need to make unnecessary decisions," and I'm creeped out.
I'm sober and full.
I made 6 homemade tacos for dinner.
I thought they said something in the beginning about it being an 'all-in-one' device
Elfforkusu
Member
Cryptography exists, there are a number of ways to do it and MS will pick one. For example, they could take the game key and XOR it (or concatenate it) with your console's unique ID.
They want the Xbox market to be Steam. They made a Windows home theater PC, basically.
You'll never dunk if you follow the Freeman diet.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
But will they have Steam prices?
Elfforkusu
Member
Of course not!
The_Darkest_Red
Member
I had a huge taco salad. Freeman-bros unite!
Gotta love homemade tacos, fill those sons of bitches with a million toppings and actual real meat
Still sounds like an oxymoron to me.
BlackGhost
Banned
I hate how Microsoft shows Call of Duty at every conference. I mean I get that it's a huge seller for them, but it's still multi platform. I'm not watching the conference to fucking see more call of duty, I want exclusive to sell me.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
They dont have schnitzel salads?
The_Darkest_Red
Member
It is, but I don't want to think about it. I have to suppress the guilt. These Reese's minis should help!
Obviously not drunk enough, fake German.
No. Just schnitzel with salad.
You don't know that!
I've been trying to put on weight for a while, so that's OK. And now with all this tennis I need like 3300 calories, so I'll take all the tacos I can get.
Josh & snes are proud!
Yes, it's the best. I had to use two wraps on one because it was so full.
I don't think my keyboard would appreciate all the "u"s I'd like to put into that wut.
Elfforkusu
Member
The only way it happens on XBO is if it happens on PS4 too.
Now, after Sony and Nintendo have been reduced to rubble and Microsoft stands alone atop the home console space -- there might be Steam-style pricing then.
lulz.
snes can't afford food apparently.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Steam and other services have to be cheap to compete with consoles and other digital services.Whats stopping Microsoft from saying either buy our game at our price or dont play it?
Double bagging is dangerous Greg, be careful.
Similar threads
- Poll
- Locked