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NFL Offseason Thread - Who cares who won we got a draft to prepare for!

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jakncoke

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Named Cliff Christl team historian.
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Never seen this position mentioned, do other teams have a team historian. I wonder what it pays

This is for Green Bay for those wondering.

Edit; Just noticed former Steeler Nick Eason got a job with the Titans as an assistant dl coach
 
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Coldnoodle

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bionic77 said:
It must be so hard for Hawk fans to be champs.

Netflix has fistful of dollars and the good the bad and the ugly. All you bums need to watch it ASAP. Hopefully they get a few dollars more too. Also watch once upon a time in the west.
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I watched that movie with my "film critic" friend.

They should have just called it the bad and the ugly.
 
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effzee

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Jayhawk said:
The issue of building a better defense on a Manning-led team is that he costs so much cap space. The Seahawks management and coaches did a marvelous job with all those cheap draft picks and free agent signings.

I think the Broncos are okay with letting the likes of Decker and Moreno walk and spending their cap space on the defense. Ball and Anderson should be good enough to do what Moreno did, as long as they work on protecting the football. Decker's going to cost too much. DT on one side, JT at TE, and Wes in the slot should be okay with cheaper Collie-like players as the other WR.
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I think the problem with the Broncos D or any D on a Manning led team is that they can't really be that good. Or better yet they can be good but not dominant. They will never be at a level that if Manning shits the bed, the D completely takes over and wins the game.

Not cause of the cap but because he is so good on offense and they score so much that 9 out of 10 times, the D doesn't have to do much. It just sits back defends the pass and can almost cruise through the games. Whereas most other teams, especially the great defenses, they have to win some games thanks to their D. They have to rely on getting the big stops. The big hits, turnovers, and the D scoring some points.

In way I bet it leaves Manning's teams's defenses a little underused and under-prepared.

That said the Broncos D did come out and play well. They held the Seahawks to FGs even off of those turnovers and shut down Lynch. How much of that is the poor Seahawks offense itself I don't know.
 
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bionic77

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Coldplay619 said:
I watched that movie with my "film critic" friend.

They should have just called it the bad and the ugly.
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Not everyone has every sense. Some people are born without sight or the ability to smell. Gata does not have the ability to think or talk properly.

In your case you have no taste.
 
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effzee

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Tabris said:
I honestly think the only true way you can evaluate how great a quarterback is, is to take that player out of that team and see the result.

I really wonder if you take Joe Montana away from that top 3 defence / Jerry Rice WR team and put him on the current Jaguars as an example. Does he do the same thing?

Peyton Manning is injured and misses a year. The Colts go 2-14.

Tom Brady is injured and misses a year. The Patriots go 10-4.

I really think there's a certain overrating (Joe Montana / Tom Brady) and underrating (Dan Mario / Peyton Manning) that goes with QBs that have had the fortune of playing with fantastic teams (usually very defensive teams) or fantastic coaches (or cheating in case of Patriots).
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This is dumb even by your standards. That Cassel led team was still loaded with offensive talent. Does Cassel take over the current Pats and still lead them to a 10-4 record?

Manning isn't winning shit with the Jags.
 
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bionic77

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effzee said:
I think the problem with the Broncos D or any D on a Manning led team is that they can't really be that good. Or better yet they can be good but not dominant. They will never be at a level that if Manning shits the bed, the D completely takes over and wins the game.

Not cause of the cap but because he is so good on offense and they score so much that 9 out of 10 times, the D doesn't have to do much. It just sits back defends the pass and can almost cruise through the games. Whereas most other teams, especially the great defenses, they have to win some games thanks to their D. They have to rely on getting the big stops. The big hits, turnovers, and the D scoring some points.

In way I bet it leaves Manning's teams's defenses a little underused and under-prepared.

That said the Broncos D did come out and play well. They held the Seahawks to FGs even off of those turnovers and shut down Lynch. How much of that is the poor Seahawks offense itself I don't know.
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Some of his Colt teams were stacked and had good defenses as well.

Let's talk about something else...
 
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Sanjuro

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effzee said:
This is dumb even by your standards. That Cassel led team was still loaded with offensive talent. Does Cassel take over the current Pats and still lead them to a 10-4 record?

Manning isn't winning shit with the Jags.
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Cassel can be a competent quarterback, no doubt that he has talent when surrounded by capable pieces. However, the bigger piece to that puzzle is that the Patriots defense wasn't complete trash that year.
 
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jakncoke

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bionic77 said:
It must be so hard for Hawk fans to be champs.

Netflix has fistful of dollars and the good the bad and the ugly. All you bums need to watch it ASAP. Hopefully they get a few dollars more too. Also watch once upon a time in the west.
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Yeah it asinine to put up 2/3 of that trilogy. Also co-sign 4 great westerns.

coldplay take your small noodled identity theft self and play in traffic.
 
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DeaconKnowledge

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effzee said:
I think the problem with the Broncos D or any D on a Manning led team is that they can't really be that good. Or better yet they can be good but not dominant. They will never be at a level that if Manning shits the bed, the D completely takes over and wins the game.

Not cause of the cap but because he is so good on offense and they score so much that 9 out of 10 times, the D doesn't have to do much. It just sits back defends the pass and can almost cruise through the games. Whereas most other teams, especially the great defenses, they have to win some games thanks to their D. They have to rely on getting the big stops. The big hits, turnovers, and the D scoring some points.

In way I bet it leaves Manning's teams's defenses a little underused and under-prepared.

That said the Broncos D did come out and play well. They held the Seahawks to FGs even off of those turnovers and shut down Lynch. How much of that is the poor Seahawks offense itself I don't know.
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League is still reeling from the Saints model of championship team - dominant offense, opportunistic, average to poor defense.

That team also beat Peyton Manning.
 
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MechDX

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squicken said:
Texans' COO McNair, Manziel, party together at fundraiser



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Cal Mcnair is the Southern Comfort "Do whatever feels good" guy. JFF can party with him
 
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effzee

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bionic77 said:
Some of his Colt teams were stacked and had good defenses as well.

Let's talk about something else...
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The one season they seemed to have a good or even great D was the year they won the SB.

Other than that every time they would get bounced in the playoffs all I would hear about was how weak the D around Manning was.

Anyway in an attempt to NOT stop talking about it...I was off from work yesterday and heard a lot of Fatcessa while driving around. He loves the Manning almost as much as he loves falling asleep while on the phone with guests. This guy will come up with any and all reason to defend Manning. Both of them. Eli is great not because of his regular season but because of how clutch he is in the SBs. Manning, even though he seems to crumble a lot in the playoffs, is great because LOOK AT HIS #S in the regular season.

Basically anyone who calls in and says Eli isn't that great, he goes on a tirade and brings up the SB. Anyone who calls in and say Peyton isn't the best cause of his playoff record, he brings up the regular season. Its hilarious hearing him argue in circles trying to keep up.
 
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bionic77

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effzee said:
The one season they seemed to have a good or even great D was the year they won the SB.

Other than that every time they would get bounced in the playoffs all I would hear about was how weak the D around Manning was.

Anyway in an attempt to NOT stop talking about it...I was off from work yesterday and heard a lot of Fatcessa while driving around. He loves the Manning almost as much as he loves falling asleep while on the phone with guests. This guy will come up with any and all reason to defend Manning. Both of them. Eli is great not because of his regular season but because of how clutch he is in the SBs. Manning, even though he seems to crumble a lot in the playoffs, is great because LOOK AT HIS #S in the regular season.

Basically anyone who calls in and says Eli isn't that great, he goes on a tirade and brings up the SB. Anyone who calls in and say Peyton isn't the best cause of his playoff record, he brings up the regular season. Its hilarious hearing him argue in circles trying to keep up.
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They had a better defense in 05 I think when they went 14-2 and got bounced by the Steelers. Some of those teams had good defenses, especially at home. Some of them were weak against the run (at times) but that pass rush and pass defense inside was no joke.

But again I am sick of talking about Manning.
 
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DeaconKnowledge

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In an attempt to get off the choker -

Ben is using the offseason to get practice in with Wheaton and Derek Moye. Moye becoming a factor may put a Monkey wrench in my first round tall WR theory.
 
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yankeehater

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Sanjuro said:
Broncos would sign him if they are smart.
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For what? Manning has already he will comback. They need to put every penny they have into improving the team around him. If he goes down they are fucked, Matt wont change that. It is funny that they took Brock ahead of Russel though.
 
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Sanjuro

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MechDX said:
Bright spot: in Cassel's one good season in NE guess who his coach was?
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He had a couple good seasons. One in KC.

yankeehater said:
For what? Manning has already he will comback. They need to put every penny they have into improving the team around him. If he goes down they are fucked, Matt wont change that. It is funny that they took Brock ahead of Russel though.
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I was just kidding. Meant replacing Pey Pey.
 
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MechDX

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Colasante said:
Josh McDaniels. I think Bill O'Brien was still just the wide receivers coach then. Besides, Cassel will be coming back to New England after we trade Mallett to you.
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Stop! It is a rule that every former Patriots player and coach gets linked to the Texans!

#PATSSOUTH
 
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bionic77

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Futurevoid said:
I do believe I can watch this Shakira/Rihanna video on loop without an issue. Yes, indeed.
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Aren't you at work right now?

Normally I would be worried about getting trouble for explicit content (they monitor us) or the shame or walking around with a giant boner or jizz stain on my pants.

You must work at Google or someplace with a great work environment where these sorts of deviant behaviors are tolerated.
 
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Futurevoid

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bionic77 said:
Aren't you at work right now?

Normally I would be worried about getting trouble for explicit content (they monitor us) or the shame or walking around with a giant boner or jizz stain on my pants.

You must work at Google or someplace with a great work environment where these sorts of deviant behaviors are tolerated.
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I am but since we do a ton of product testing we have our own internal FIOS line that we can do whatever we want with off the company network. I of course discourage my team from porn and other NSFW nonsense but a music video is harmless. Boners are fine as long as you don't get up and walk around with'em. ;)
 
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Colasante

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Tom Penny said:
I just realized Jared Allen is going to be a Patriot. No wonder the Pats signed their D line coach.
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I don't think that's likely, but he would be a nice addition. His value is still relatively high after a 12 sack season, and the Patriots tend to only sign free agents at the nadir of their value, like Andre Carter and Mark Anderson. I think Tampa Bay or Seattle are more likely destinations for him.
 
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