Which cheating scandal is exposed first: The Pats and their videotaping or Jamaica's systemic PED program?
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Which cheating scandal is exposed first: The Pats and their videotaping or Jamaica's systemic PED program?
Sure, I don't know anything about this book, but half these sentences read like "How would a plane bring down the WTC if the fire was way too cool to melt that steel?"
"Why does Belichick continue to hire cardboard cutouts for coordinators?" There is a pretty easy paper trail to understand how Belichick chooses his offensive and defensive coordinators. Like many coaches, he likes to promote from within, so OC Josh McDaniels and DC Matt Patricia were with the team for 5 years and 8 years, respectively, before being given their titles. It's not like he's hiring confederates off the street to do his evil bidding or something.
As for who is Ernie Adams- that question was answered in 2008: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=adams. But these people can continue to ramble on with their Loose Change-esque nonsense all they like.
As for who is Ernie Adams- that question was answered in 2008: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=adams. But these people can continue to ramble on with their Loose Change-esque nonsense all they like.
Hardly proof. Everyone knows ESPN is in on the cover-up
Dutch Gronk
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Obama man. Obama.
I've always thought that everyone in sports "cheats". The people involved are too competitive, and the money to great, for any notion of sportsmanship to alter behavior. Why wouldn't a utility outfielder take PEDs if it meant extending his career and vesting in the pension plan? Why wouldn't college coaches do everything they can to win, when they get paid millions of dollars, and have buildings and stadiums named after them?
I'd say the NFL is at least 50% PED users. Olympic track competitors and cyclist probably like 90%. Tiger Woods sees a doctor who injects people with HGH and stem cells. It's kind of why I don't get the Usian Bolt stuff. This small little island country becomes an overnight track powerhouse? It's not a marvel of human achievement in how fast he runs. It's a marvel of chemistry. How is a tiny little island nation out-cheating the big spending US Olympic program?
Exactly. Why has Obama let our country fall so far behind in cheating? We've over-testosteroned our formerly beautiful women to what gain?
Hey, they're good enough at soccer to need only very little ref help to beat Canada.
I really don't do much sports flag waving. I really only get into "USA USA USA" mode when I care about the sport and we are evenly matched or an underdog. So I enjoy our soccer, hockey, and Ryder Cup teams. Couldn't care less about Phelps or the gymnasts or figure skaters.
I only saw a bit of the soccer game. Ref was awful. I said earlier he was somehow worse than a FIFA official, which is sad b/c the slower women's game makes the fouls so obvious. That sport desperately needs to enter the modern age of officiating. There's no good reason for the NFL and FIFA to not use cameras and booth officials to supplement on-field refs
edit: Soccer question. So in Europe, teams are comprised of players from all over the continent, if not the world. While most players may be much-lingual, they can't all speak the native language of the place they play. If a team in Italy procures a German who doesn't speak Italian, how does the coach communicate with the player? Interpreters? Or is their a lingua franca of soccer? How do they talk to a ref who may be from Portuagal?
Ben Johnson (originally Jamaican) was caught for the same stuff everybody's darling Carl Lewis was caught for. Only Lewis was not suspended. Donovan Bailey, Linford Christie, sooo many of them are from Jamaica, but ran under a different flag. They train with the US crew most of the time anyway. I don't get your "overnight" here. Jamaica has had a tradition of good runners for decades. Do they juice? Man, all track and field people took something at some stage, IOC is the most hypocritical institution ever. If anything, you could say Jamaica has a tradition of juicing sprinters, just like the US has
. But to single them out for "recent succes" makes no sense to me.As for Woods, check out the eye surgeries he had to improve the depth of his sight. Is that a PEProdcedure? Not sure. Kobe's knee surgery in Germany is a new thing, could be interpreted as such as well.
We could go on like that for ages. I am more suspicious of the Brits than I am of the Jamaicans at this point. But I don't really follow Olympics much these days, some basketball and some track events, that's it. Oh, and beach volleyball, but that's for other reasons...
As for NFL, I would claim that 90 % of linemen/fullbacks/linebackers took steroids at some point in their career (most likely before pro career). And prolly HGH as well.
Interpreters or just learning the basic stuff like "run here", "tackle like this". Eurofootie isn't that complicated
. Most famous interpreter would be José Mourinho, that arrogant biatch.Dutch Gronk
Banned
16 here.
TheLegendary
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Nice wallpapers bucket. Should work just splendidly on my Nexus.
Two days!
Two days!
I didn't know all those guys were Jamaicans. But it's not like their women's program had a long history of success. 4 years ago they just dominated like nothing I'd ever seen.
And I by no means think the US is innocent. Like I said, we're not cheating as good as the Jamaicans. And I don't disagree on any of the other stuff. Juicing is rampant in all US team sports.
As far as Kobe and Tiger, yeah that stuff is pretty dubious. It really disappoints me about Tiger, b/c golf is supposed to be a gentleman's game. The only sport where you call your own penalties. But to defend him, he has commented how guys who used to hit 275 yard drives now hit 320 yard drives. The money just got too big. Either through equipment or chemistry, golfers are doing what they can to get an edge.
edit: Warren Sapp is in Chapter 7 and his 240 pairs of Air Jordans are up for sale
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/07/sapp-puts-240-pairs-of-air-jordans-up-for-auction/
We could go on like that for ages. I am more suspicious of the Brits than I am of the Jamaicans at this point. But I don't really follow Olympics much these days, some basketball and some track events, that's it. Oh, and beach volleyball, but that's for other reasons...
Which leads to an important question: Are there IOC rules for boob jobs?
Euro-High5!
Actually, I thought their women's program has been pretty solid (and also with some "scandals" afaik) as well. Not quite as good as the men's but still. I only remember Ottey by name though. As I said, not the biggest fan.
Cameras are usually focussed on their asses, so can't tell
.Joining in with awkward Euro-High5 as well. 16 for beer here (in Bavaria, especially in smaller towns, no one gives a shit, if you can drink w/o embarrassing yourself, you drink), 18 for liquor.
Clearly t he Olympics doesn't care about steroids. They let this "woman" compete.
Well I mean that's pretty much my recollection of Eastern Bloc female Olympians
Barack Lesnar
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goldlion054
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I have hated him since his time at ND and fear the match up nightmares he presents at TE -___-
I also keep having nightmares that Fatfford gets hurt this season. I have woken up in panic at least 3 times in the last 10 days worrying about it. I know he had the surgery this time around and played a full and healthy season. But I also know he practices with the dirtiest defense in the NFL, who probably can't tell the difference between players when they are stomping on them. Prove me wrong Matthew!
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8237657/san-francisco-repeat-last-season-greatness
Writer suggests why the Niners won't repeat success, and won't win more than nine games.
Writer suggests why the Niners won't repeat success, and won't win more than nine games.
Decent article overall. Points in at several topics.
Barack Lesnar
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Pretty obvious this was going to happen. Remember that Bears team that went 13-3 and then tanked the next season? I expect the same here. Their only hope is Moss panning out and returning to form, which might very well happen.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Old. And this guy is a fucking idiot. How many of these other teams had top notch talent but shitty coaching? Saying "oh we'll only 5 teams have done this since 1920" or whatever is a cowards research methods.
Look at our team and our schedule, not some unrelated team from 30 years ago. I doubt we win 14 games but we are winning more than 9
Even if that does happen, if they take the training wheels off Alex Smith there is no telling what will happen. His requirements of the offense last year were so simple, a high school QB could have executed it.
That Bears team relied on insane luck and otherworldy special teams. Their defense was dominant not because of skill (they were very good though) but because of turnover ratio. Remember all those Mike Brown flukes? The 49ers are a better overall team (in a much, much, much worse division) than that Bears team.
That said, they still suck.
He specifically mentions the Rams (lol) and Seahawks improving as a result of their schedule becoming more difficult. I personally see Seattle give S.F. the run for their money the most - not betting on the Rams just yet, and the Cards have too many question marks all around.
Barack Lesnar
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It was pretty funny seeing epic Mike Brown taints every other week.
goldlion054
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Grantland? I can never take an article written on that site seriously.
That's also in the article.
The Niners had an incredible run thanks to a lot of injury luck, otherworldly special teams, and an incredible turnover ratio. It's pretty damn unlikely that every one of those things will remain true two seasons in a row while they face tougher opponents.
Barack Lesnar
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Why?
The site employs Jonah Lehrer, Bill Simmons and Chuck Klosterman. You really need to ask why people find it laughable?
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Barack Lesnar
Banned
Why do we hate Grantland again? Just curious. The pieces are way too long but they're pretty well done. I only read Simmons.
What's wrong with Simmons? He's been meh the past couple years but he was gold for many years before that.
What's wrong with Simmons? He's been meh the past couple years but he was gold for many years before that.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Whatever... guess he's too dumbed down for you high-brow NFL analysts, but I like some of his work. I'm not a huge fan or anything but I like reading his weekly NFL pick articles, for example.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
There's nothing wrong with Grantland (and specifically Simmons), it's certainly found its own niche with its brand of humor meshed with actual writing. It's a million times better than the likes of Peter King and Rick Reilly. So it's going that going for itself.
He's a 12 year old Larry King who has (intellectually) never been outside of Boston. When Page 2 was new I used to print his articles off and read them while shitting. That was like 10 years ago. He is still writing the exact same article over and over and over.
Barack Lesnar
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I don't like the Grantland look and format itself, I wish he had just stuck with Page 2.
The Acho's are good people.
goldlion054
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Oh Jesus
Barack Lesnar
Banned
It's not as if sports journalism is this bastion of great writers and analysts. We don't exactly have the pick of the litter. Give me some examples of guys you feel meet your journalistic criteria.
Boston loves him. I guess heavy does as well.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Yeah i don't love him. I don't mind him and read the occasional article, but let's just turn that into "Heavy has a Simmons tattoo on his ass".
Barack Lesnar
Banned
It's one of the cutest vids I've ever seen. Acho looked like it really did make his day. And that mom is so hot.
I laughed out loud when he asked about signing the ball, and the dad does a Gronk "YEAHHHHHHHHHH!"