NFL Week 15 2010|OT| - Let's All Just Move West!

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
not that i thought they would beat the pats WITH rodgers, but without him they have no chance. i think the pats could start whoever their backup is and still beat the packers.

mmmm so delicious that the packers season is going down the shitter. looks like alex smith is going to win a playoff game before erron afterall :D

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Brady won't rest a single snap even if they hang 90.
 
yankeehater said:
How can Vick just be a product of the system when everyone constantly says how dumb Reid is, and what a bad offensive coach he is?


There is a difference between being a good QB coach, good planner, good prep coach, and a bad offensive play-caller. Reid finally has all the pieces in place for his mad offensive philosophy. Think how much better of a coach he would be if he actually played to his players strengths all those years instead of trying to force feed a pass happy offense.
 
Chances were a Patriots loss was always in the books.

We just shouldn't have lost to teams like Miami and Washington.
Then we had to go and fuck up against the Lions. But you get what you deserve.

Unfortunately da Bearz got certain teams at wholly convenient times and are miraculously winning the division.

If the Bears lose to the Vikings, a very big if, I still think we'll close out strong.
 
effzee said:
There is a difference between being a good QB coach, good planner, good prep coach, and a bad offensive play-caller. Reid finally has all the pieces in place for his mad offensive philosophy. Think how much better of a coach he would be if he actually played to his players strengths all those years instead of trying to force feed a pass happy offense.


I am just curious what players strength you feel he didnt play to?
 
My life is 50 times less stressful since i stopped arguing with people about stuff in this thread :lol

Edit: Stop stealing my avatar Effz
 
Rorschach said:
Brady won't rest a single snap even if they hang 90.

Well they have to score like 180 points to break their record from 2007 so obviously he's going to stay in to get it. I mean c'mon dude.
 
So I am setting my lineup for the playoffs, and I need to decide on my number 2 RB. Tim Hightower or Felix Jones. Both have pretty good matchups, but I am leaning towards Hightower. He will get a lot of carries with Skelton's inexperience and also Beanie is whining like a little bitch all day.
 
Rorschach said:
That's just in sacks given up. That doesn't mean they are the worst. Redskins' line is the worst.

Bears oline takes the cake for being the worst. Redskins can't compare. Sexy Rexy gonna put up 40 points this Sunday.
 
yankeehater said:
Why the Skins? I would totally vote the Bears the worst o-line this year.
I haven't seen all 32 teams but they are the worst I have seen at picking up the blitz. They have gotten a little better as the season has gone on.
 
Seriously, Jets? I think I may be leaving the 'classless' tag behind and taking up a 'clueless' one. Is there a word that means both at once? I need it now.

Speaking of throwing people under the bus, here comes TO.

"I think there's underachieving from the top down," Owens told Ochocinco. "You start with the owner, you start with the coaches. And obviously we as players, we are a product of what the coaches are coaching us throughout the course of the week. Of course, we have to go out there and play the game.

"But in order for us to do what we're allowed to do at the best of our abilities, the coaches have to put the players in the best position."
 
chuckddd said:
Seriously, Jets? I think I may be leaving the 'classless' tag behind and taking up a 'clueless' one. Is there a word that means both at once? I need it now.

Speaking of throwing people under the bus, here comes TO.
He already threw Carson under the bus. May as well add the management because this time no one came to Carson's defense. :lol
 
Rorschach said:
Watch some of the games. The pressure is instantaneous from all sides. It's really unbelievable.

Yeah, look at the QB hits, sacks never tell the full story. Fitzpatrick gets absolutely nailed after throws, but he has a dome that rivals Homer Simpson's.
 
Rorschach said:
He already threw Carson under the bus. May as well add the management because this time no one came to Carson's defense. :lol

Seriously though, can you blame him this time? I think he is totally justified. That organization in need of a total makeover. From top to bottom.

And the skins O-line is easily the worst in the NFL. They can hardly handle a 4 man rush, much less a blitz
 
Jay Cutler ability to move around in and out of the pocket is the only reason the Bears sack and hits stacks aren't a lot higher. I haven't seen an another teams oline constantly give up at least 3 or 4 plays a game where the entire oline just lets the whole dline pass by and meet on Jay Cutler's head. :lol :(
 
LJ11 said:
Yeah, look at the QB hits, sacks never tell the full story. Fitzpatrick gets absolutely nailed after throws, but he has a dome that rivals Homer Simpson's.
Yeah. Even looking at hits, sacks, etc doesn't tell the whole tale. There are some OLs that get bailed out by their QBs and vice versa.

goldlion054 said:
Seriously though, can you blame him this time? I think he is totally justified. That organization in need of a total makeover. From top to bottom.
Are they shit? Ya. Is he opening anyone's eyes? Nope. We can all see that. Did he just burn a bridge for no reason? Yep. Who else would even have him this season? If it wasn't for his relationship with Ocho and the injury to (and apathy of) Bryant, he wouldn't even be there.

PS: Where are the guys that were saying Cinci would be a powerhouse because of the WRs and because Carson was "elite"? :lol Told you hos!
 
Mrbob said:
Jay Cutler ability to move around in and out of the pocket is the only reason the Bears sack and hits stacks aren't a lot higher. I haven't seen an another teams oline constantly give up at least 3 or 4 plays a game where the entire oline just lets the whole dline pass by and meet on Jay Cutler's head. :lol :(

lol. being good at scrambling is not the same the same thing as being good at avoiding sacks. vick and cutler both get sacked a lot in part because they both dick around in the backfield instead of getting rid of the ball.
 
TheBranca18 said:
Use this instead:

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Rorschach said:
Watch some of the games. The pressure is instantaneous from all sides. It's really unbelievable.
The Redskins do have plays though where the pass protection is solid, but on those plays either McNabb misses completely or the receivers drop the ball. The Redskins failure can't just be pinned on the offensive line. Whichever unit is needed to fail will find a way to step up and get it done.

Also, offensive lines are usually not static. A lot of lines get better as the season goes along (Pats are the worst example of this) and a lot get worse due to injuries or defensives figuring them out (see Steelers as an example of a team getting much worse). And as bad as the Steelers have been, even they will have a few plays where they will not all fall on their fat faces. Their problem is that they can't keep up that level of play for even an entire series. I have half a mind to try out for the Steelers left tackle, I can't be any worse than Scott is. And keep in mind I am 6'2" 180lbs...
 
CB3 said:
My life is 50 times less stressful since i stopped arguing with people about stuff in this thread :lol

Edit: Stop stealing my avatar Effz

But the arguing is the entertainment inbetween game days.
 
It is a scientific fact that 6'2" is the perfect height for someone who is not a professional basketball player.

Also, I agree with tmdorsey. If you are getting aggravated from arguing on a message board then you are not doing it right. Remember in the end we are all on the same team and have a common enemy (see avatar).
 
yankeehater said:
I am just curious what players strength you feel he didnt play to?

Not running the ball. Being the most pass happy coach in the history of the NFL when for the majority of his 11 seasons he himself put forth garbage WRs with an OLINE built to run block. Its not like they never had RBs. From Duce, Westbrook, Buckhalter, to now McCoy the Eagles have had good to great RBs yet they are primarily used in the passing game to the point that McCoy couldn't see the field last season because of his lack of blitz pickup and not because he can't run the ball.

Thats not even getting to McNabb who from day 1 was obviously not a pin point passer so instead of building an offense around his strengths and limiting weaknesses he kept pushing for his offense. Case in point? Giants game from a few seasons ago with Justice as the starting LT, the blind side, and Reid refusing to run the ball while Giants sacked us 11-12 times. Eagles were down by no more than 7 the whole game, Buckhalter had over 100 yrds in the first half, and Reid refused to run the ball from that point on.

I should really follow CB3's example. BTW CB I thought I got this avatar first?
 
Ok so I survived in only 1 league (all thanks to AJ) but now I have another question:

So my RBs now are

Blount vs DET
The Firm vs GB
Moreno vs OAK
Ivory vs BAL
Best vs TB
Torrain vs Dallas (how the fuck was Torrain just floating around as FA???!?!?!??!)

Gotta pick 3. I am thinking Ivory and Best are both out.

Blount, Moreno, and who? The Firm or Torrain?
 
Speaking of coaches, it is crazy but I am missing Bill Cowher offenses. I hated when he would play Martyball in the playoffs and seeing us lose so many close games without taking a chance. But other than a lack of balls in certain gametime situations the guy was really a great coach who was able to coach both great offense and defense and do it in different ways.
 
Reid is gonna get Vick killed with all those dropbacks and passing plays. I would bet money the Giants are gonna go into Sunday's game with the thinking get as many hits on the Vick as possible, especially since he won't get the calls for late hits.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5923502

ESPN said:
New York Jets special teams coordinator Mike Westhoff said Tuesday that the New England Patriots employed a similar "wall" tactic on punt return coverage as was orchestrated by Jets strength coach Sal Alosi on Sunday against the Miami Dolphins.

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Asked later in the day by ESPNNewYork.com about the Patriots lining up in a wall on the sideline, Westhoff said, "Were they teaching it? I have no idea. When they punted were they back? Yes. When the other team punted were they up tighter? Yes. Absolutely. You can look at it look at the tape. I'm not accusing the Patriots of doing something wrong, maybe they are doing something smart. That's up to you. Just watch the tape. You tell me. I know one thing, I don't teach it, I don't coach it and I'm not aware that it happened."

Westhoff said he doesn't intend to fuel the Jets' rivalry with the Patriots by bringing attention to their use of the tactic. "Maybe it does, I don't mean to. I don't know, you look at the film, you do the research. Look at film and watch all the teams."

Are you kidding me Jets? Rex get your underlings under control.


bionic77 said:
You know I wonder which coach is going to get his players to see how far the refs will let the defense beat the shit out of Vick and Big Ben before they throw a flag.

At this point I am pretty sure that even if a player drop kicked Ben when he was sitting on the bench the refs wouldn't even reach for their whistle. :(

Maybe Brady knew what he was doing when he put on those girl's boots...

There's no surprise that the reason both those QBs take big hits is because they have bad offensive lines and hold onto the ball way too long. Granted the fact that there haven't been late hits called on Vick and Big Ben is perplexing considering how protective the officials have been league-wide otherwise.
 
tmdorsey said:
Reid is gonna get Vick killed with all those dropbacks and passing plays. I would bet money the Giants are gonna go into Sunday's game with the thinking get as many hits on the Vick as possible, especially since he won't get the calls for late hits.
You know I wonder which coach is going to get his players to see how far the refs will let the defense beat the shit out of Vick and Big Ben before they throw a flag.

At this point I am pretty sure that even if a player drop kicked Ben when he was sitting on the bench the refs wouldn't even reach for their whistle. :(

Maybe Brady knew what he was doing when he put on those girl's boots...
 
tmdorsey said:
Reid is gonna get Vick killed with all those dropbacks and passing plays. I would bet money the Giants are gonna go into Sunday's game with the thinking get as many hits on the Vick as possible, especially since he won't get the calls for late hits.

Reid won't learn. Whether Vick is hobbled or taking shots, Reid's offense takes precedence over all. He will keep dropping him back to pass, in shot gun no less, over and over. He did it with McNabb too.

And our short yardage problems (3rd and less than 4) are not because we can't run the ball, its because we decide to run out of shotgun, or do QB sneaks out of shotgun, or decide to pass. Rarely do you see the Eagles just line up in a normal formation and run right up the middle to pick up a yard or two. I refuse to believe that every single RB we have had under Reid lacks the ability to pick up a yard.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
unless you're the niners, who for some reason can't take advantage of an opponents weakness
Why so glum friend? Niners are only one game back. I thought this was going to be your finest hour. A little sad when you compare it to the Niners finest hours in the 80s, but hey it is what it is.
 
bionic77 said:
Why so glum friend? Niners are only one game back. I thought this was going to be your finest hour. A little sad when you compare it to the Niners finest hours in the 80s, but hey it is what it is.

oh quite the opposite, i am actually stoked about the possibility of getting a home playoff game at 8-8 or better yet 7-9. i was just commenting specifically on the fact that every game we play, win or lose, we never seem to take advantage of the opponents weakness.
 
jakncoke said:
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Render from 1 of the 3 finalist that are designing the new LA stadium, I wonder what the other 2 look like.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/news/story?id=5924910&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Wait they wanna put the stadium directly next to Staples? :lol :lol :lol

In a perfect world thats awesome. In the real world that would destroy the already busy ass streets and freeways surrounding. Imagine the Lakers and whichever NFL team we get are playing at the same time? Not to mention any possible thing Nokia might have going on...
 
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