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Gigglepoo said:
So it's a Lavar Arrington situation. It seems to me that Grady Jackson is a rare athlete. Sure, he can only play 25 plays a game, but he was a presence on the D Line. Unless he was a locker room cancer, I'm not sure why Petrino didn't try to, you know, coach him a little. It's not going to be easy to find a replacement for a 400 pound man.

I have mixed feelings about it. Trey Lewis has played surprisingly well so I guess they wanted a chance to find out if he was the real answer in the middle or if they needed to look elsewhere going into next year.

All these veterans upset because they are giving the young guys more time need to STFU. We're 1-6 with a new coach who doesn't have all of his players yet and one of the only ways he's going to figure out who he wants to keep and who's got to go is by giving them a chance. It can't get any worse, IMO, so we might as well see what our young guys are capable of.

I could see us at 1-10 and then Hall hurts his knee or some shit...then he'll probably bitch about how he shouldn't have been playing since they don't have a chance at the playoffs.
 
levious said:
uh, Florida is in the SEC, and Notre Dame is independent, I think... that really taxed my college sports knowledge. Last amateur game I watched was the Boise State bowl game and prior to that was the Miami/Ohio State championship game (where I first saw the horrid overtime format in college) and I assure you both were a side effect of spending time with relatives.

It's a hypothetical situation if Flordia and Notre Dame were to play this year (out of conference games).

Fine, then you wouldn't laugh if Baylor said they were just as talented as Oklahoma?
 
Gigglepoo said:
The reason the Giants are a lot better than the Redskins right now is because of experience. This is Campbell's first full season as a starter. Eli takes his team to the playoffs every year. Because of that, the Giants are a scary team right now. In a huge game, I would trust the Giants offense to come through in a way that is just not possible for Jason and the Skins at this point. A few years from now, though, this should be a great rivalry.

You make a very valid point and I cannot say that I disagree. I think that both clubs (Pukes too) have a true franchise QB at the helm. It'll be interesting to see how quickly the Eagles find another IF they lose McRib. Jason has shown incredible poise/maturity for a QB in his situation.

Gigglepoo said:
If one NFC East team was placed in each NFC division, you would have at least three division winners from that division (does that make sense?). And if the Eagles could beat up on the Seahawks, Cards and Rams, they might end up winning that division. Pretty ridiculous.

The East has been growing back into power since about 2003. It seems all of the teams peaked on their own from then on and now they all seem to be on a more level playing field. It's a shame that they have to beat up on each other twice a year. :lol
 
woodchuck said:
It's a hypothetical situation if Flordia and Notre Dame were to play this year (out of conference games).


no no, my point was that I don't know shit about college football! I didn't mean to seem like I was correcting your hypothetical. Imagine your female friend who knows nothing about college football... I know less.
 
topsyturvy said:
what he said was o-line, and my brain told me wide recievers and some shit. brain fart at 3:00AM i guess.

3am? Unless my math is way off, you would have to live in Brazil or Greenland for you to have posted that at 3am. I bet those places are at least getting the Colts/Pats game, though.
 
I will say this for all of the redskins and giants fans out there. Go out and buy each memeber of your respective defenses steak dinners, cause they are the only reason why you guys are doing so well!
 
Damn... I was really looking forward to seeing Matt Jones set up at QB and unleash the dragon!
 
storybook77 said:
I have mixed feelings about it. Trey Lewis has played surprisingly well so I guess they wanted a chance to find out if he was the real answer in the middle or if they needed to look elsewhere going into next year.

All these veterans upset because they are giving the young guys more time need to STFU. We're 1-6 with a new coach who doesn't have all of his players yet and one of the only ways he's going to figure out who he wants to keep and who's got to go is by giving them a chance. It can't get any worse, IMO, so we might as well see what our young guys are capable of.


I have to disagree. I've listened to all the conversation about it and I still come back to fact that the coaches have given up on the season which they are not supposed to do at this point. How do you at the midpoint of the season trade away one of the few players that was making an impact in the games? The defense had been playing relatively well and I think was a big part of that. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but it's going to very interesting seeing how the defense performs now.

An unhappy locker room is bad business. This franchise seems like it's going to shit pretty quickly.
 
Tamanon said:
Oh....BOY!

TODD BOUMAN SIGNED BY THE JAGUARS! EXACTLY WHO I HAVE WANTED ALL THESE YEARS!

*cry*
I didn't even know there was a place called St. Cloud State University until I read his wiki.
 
Gigglepoo said:
3am? Unless my math is way off, you would have to live in Brazil or Greenland for you to have posted that at 3am. I bet those places are at least getting the Colts/Pats game, though.
fyi, i posted what you're talking about this morning which is exactly around 3 am, not at the time i posted that reply which is around 11 am my time. Keep up the good work and oh so try again.
 
topsyturvy said:
fyi, i posted what you're talking about this morning which is exactly around 3 am, not at the time i posted that reply which is around 11 am my time. Keep up the good work and oh so try again.

Wanna avatar bet on the Saints @ 49ers? Alex is playing baby!
 
methodman said:
Wanna avatar bet on the Saints @ 49ers? Alex is playing baby!
hell yea, i'm not good at all at photoshop, but i might not need them with the ass kicking we're gonna hand you. :D

welcome to 2-5 baby
 
topsyturvy said:
fyi, i posted what you're talking about this morning which is exactly around 3 am, not at the time i posted that reply which is around 11 am my time. Keep up the good work and oh so try again.

Try again? I'm genuinely curious. You posted your Terry Bradshaw comments at 9:59pm my time. I live in the Bay Area. If you say you posted that at 3am, that would mean you live in Greenland or Brasil. I assumed you lived in New Orleans so I was quite confused.
 
DY_nasty said:
Damn... I was really looking forward to seeing Matt Jones set up at QB and unleash the dragon!
That guy must have been popular in college, he's got a horde of razorback fans on the Jags board hoping he gets sent to a team that appreciates his bum ass.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Try again? I'm genuinely curious. You posted your Terry Bradshaw comments at 9:59pm my time. I live in the Bay Area. If you say you posted that at 3am, that would mean you live in Greenland or Brasil. I assumed you lived in New Orleans so I was quite confused.

You just moved to the Bay Area this year right? How do you like it? Have you been to a Niners game yet?

Make sure you go to a Warriors game (even if you don't like them). It's probably the best team to watch in the Bay Area right now. I went to two playoff games last year - 1 they blew out Dallas, and 1 was when they blew out Utah - so much fun.
 
goku1693 said:
I will say this for all of the redskins and giants fans out there. Go out and buy each memeber of your respective defenses steak dinners, cause they are the only reason why you guys are doing so well!

The Giants have had a great offense from the 2005 season.

05: 4th yardage, 3rd points
06: 14th yardage, 11th points
07: 9th yardage, 4th points.

What else do you want from them?
 
Ehh, im not taking anything away from the Giants offense, or should I say Tiki Barber, and Burress, but it wasnt until the defense really became a monster that set themselves apart. Hey I am a Titan fan, but man i would gladly trade defenses with you guys in a second!
 
goku1693 said:
Ehh, im not taking anything away from the Giants offense, or should I say Tiki Barber, and Burress, but it wasnt until the defense really became a monster that set themselves apart. Hey I am a Titan fan, but man i would gladly trade defenses with you guys in a second!


WTH? I think the Titans have one of the nastiest d-lines in the league.
 
Yeah they do but aside from Bulluck we have no true pass rushers, except van den bosch, my favorite d-end in the league, haynesworth, and a couple of no name ballers. Im loving our defense this year, its just that G-men's front seven are simply amazing right now!
 
I'm hoping the Giants lock up DE Justin Tuck soon.

I have been clamoring about this guy ever since he was drafted in the 3rd round from Notre Dame.

From ESPN's page:

Even though he's not a regular starter, Giants defensive end Justin Tuck leads all NFL defensive linemen in Defeats, a stat that combines turnovers, tackles behind the line of scrimmage, and tackles that prevent a third- or fourth-down conversion.
 
Nick Harper's wife just got cleared for stabbing him. Apparently it was an accident where his knee got into the way of her downward stabbing knife.
 
methodman said:
You just moved to the Bay Area this year right? How do you like it? Have you been to a Niners game yet?

Make sure you go to a Warriors game (even if you don't like them). It's probably the best team to watch in the Bay Area right now. I went to two playoff games last year - 1 they blew out Dallas, and 1 was when they blew out Utah - so much fun.

Yeah, I'm new here. Moved in January from Chicago. Really crappy sports down, especially coming from Chicago. Just awful. But still, it's the first time I've lived near my favorite team. I went to the Cards game Opening Night and I have tickets to the Bucs game in December. I should be getting Cincy tickets as well.

I was all set to see the Warriors when my favorite team, the Pacers, come to town. But they're coming during NFL Playoff Weekend! Horrible timing. They're in Sacramento that weekend too. Ugh... I'm going to have to Tivo an NFL game or just miss my favorite team this season. Rough decision.
 
Gigglepoo said:
I was all set to see the Warriors when my favorite team, the Pacers, come to town.
No one will hold it against you if you pick a new favorite team since you moved. In fact every Pacers fan will envy you.
 
Flizzzipper said:
No one will hold it against you if you pick a new favorite team since you moved. In fact every Pacers fan will envy you.

Hell no! I've never lived in Indiana before but they are my team. Yeah, worst NBA team in the league this year, but winning will be so sweet when it finally happens.
 
firex said:
corey simon retired according to ESPN. He probably wanted more time to eat.

My first thought:

The Eagles should have drafted Plaxico Burress instead. I've been beating that drum for 7 years. Sometimes, foresight is 20/20. Stupid Eagles.
 
Hey to any falcons fans! I have Warrick Dunn on my fantasy sqaud and I was wondering if I should drop him or keep him? I dont know what to do, because he is still a dangerous running back even with out Vick. What should I do?
 
ESPN re-ran the chad/keyshawn interview while I was making spaghetti and I have to say it was lol-worthy seeing keyshawn get owned on his assumptions, then called out for his hypocrisy.
 
goku1693 said:
Ehh, im not taking anything away from the Giants offense, or should I say Tiki Barber, and Burress, but it wasnt until the defense really became a monster that set themselves apart. Hey I am a Titan fan, but man i would gladly trade defenses with you guys in a second!
*sigh* Okay I will bite why do you hate the Giants too?

Receptions/yards:

Burress - 35/550
Toomer - 29/342
Shockey - 28/332
Ward - 24/150
All others - 23/191

Attempts/yards:

Ward - 101/448
Jacobs - 57/319
Droughns 30/128

So uh, yeah. Are you going to now say "Well Eli sucks"?

Further, here is an article from KC Joyner from ESPN Insider:

"The Giants' five-game winning streak has been largely attributed to their improved play on defense and the great chemistry between Eli Manning and Plaxico Burress.

Not much is being said about New York's running game, which is odd, because the Giants have rushed for 516 yards the past three games. Admittedly, the Giants have faced some weak run defenses, including Atlanta's and the New York Jets', but 172 rushing yards per game is still impressive.

What is also impressive is how New York is gaining these yards. Take a look at the yards-per-attempt figures for each of the major run types over the past three games:


Run Type------------- Carries/Yards---------YPA
Counter ---------------31-158---------------5.1
Draw -------------------3-14 ---------------4.7
Dive -------------------2-2 ----------------1.0
Delay -----------------1-3 -----------------3.0
Isolation -------------10-28 ---------------2.8
Off-tackle ------------25-169 --------------9.0
Pitchout -------------3-19 -----------------6.3
Slant ----------------11-41 ----------------3.7
Stretch --------------9-47 -----------------5.2
Sweep -----------------4-34 ----------------8.5

New York is averaging at least 4.7 yards on six of these run types. When a team can post that type of production on a variety of runs, it makes it very hard for opponents to commit to stopping one type of play. For example, if a defense emphasizes protecting the edges to stop the slant/stretch plays, it leaves itself vulnerable to off-tackle and counter plays that go inside.

The tough part about being so varied in the running game is that it can be hard to find backs who can be effective on each type of play. This was something Tiki Barber excelled at. In Scientific Football 2006, I compiled season-long averages for running backs in the major run types for the 2005 season.

Barber was a rarity in that he gained at least 4.7 yards per carry on the counter, draw, slant and sweep plays. Larry Johnson and Shaun Alexander were the only other running backs to average this many yards on four or more run types (minimum 10 carries for each run type), so only truly elite backs are capable of doing this.

That leads to what I think is the most interesting part of the Giants' numbers during this period. Check out the run type metrics for Reuben Droughns, Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward:

Droughns

Run type------- Carries/Yards------ YPA
Counter -----------5-18 ------------3.6
Draw---------------- 0 -------------0.0
Dive ---------------1-0 ------------0.0
Delay ---------------0 -------------0.0
Isolation ----------1-3 ------------3.0
Off-tackle ---------8-72 -----------9.0
Pitchout ------------0 -------------0.0
Slant --------------3-15 -----------5.0
Stretch ------------1-13 ----------13.0
Sweep ---------------0 -------------0.0


Jacobs

Run Type---------Carries/Yards------- YPA
Counter---------- 16-96 -------------6.0
Draw ---------------0 ---------------0.0
Dive --------------1-2 --------------2.0
Delay ------------- 1-3 --------------3.0
Isolation --------5-16 --------------3.2
Off-tackle -------12-87 -------------7.3
Pitchout ----------2-18 -------------9.0
Slant ------------- 4-15 -------------3.8
Stretch ----------- 6-31 -------------5.2
Sweep ------------- 3-29 -------------9.7


Ward

Run Type-------- Carries/Yards------- YPA
Counter---------- 10-44------------- 4.4
Draw ------------- 3-14 --------------4.7
Dive ---------------0 ---------------0.0
Delay --------------0 ---------------0.0
Isolation --------- 4-9 --------------2.3
Off-tackle -------- 5-10 -------------2.0
Pitchout -----------0 ---------------0.0
Slant ------------- 4-11 -------------2.8
Stretch ----------- 2-3 --------------1.5
Sweep -------------1-5 --------------5.0

The smashmouth runner of the group is definitely Jacobs. He is averaging over 5.2 yards on the counter, off-tackle, pitchout and sweep plays, all of which emphasize muscling the opponent.

Jacobs is also a good edge runner, but the metrics show New York's best edge runner might be Droughns. He is gaining 7.0 yards per attempt on slant and stretch plays, and his history suggests he is best-suited for the one-cut-and-get-upfield type of runs.

Ward's most valuable trait in this scenario is probably his ability to run the draw play, so he has third-down back written all over him.

None of these three is in Barber's league, but the Giants don't need them to be. As long as each can fill part of the role Barber filled for this team, New York should be able to make a strong playoff push."

Insider

Have I proven you wrong yet?
 
goku1693 said:
Ehh, im not taking anything away from the Giants offense, or should I say Tiki Barber, and Burress, but it wasnt until the defense really became a monster that set themselves apart. Hey I am a Titan fan, but man i would gladly trade defenses with you guys in a second!
Sorry, but the giants have an offense that is almost complete. The offensive line has too many mind farts.
 
How does Bill Polian not get fined by the NFL for criticizing officials? I was listening to his radio show and he said Freeney got held 12 times in the opening game and the refs ignored them. Is it because he is the greatest GM of all time?
 
Wellington said:
*sigh* Okay I will bite why do you hate the Giants too?

Receptions/yards:

Burress - 35/550
Toomer - 29/342
Shockey - 28/332
Ward - 24/150
All others - 23/191

Attempts/yards:

Ward - 101/448
Jacobs - 57/319
Droughns 30/128

So uh, yeah. Are you going to now say "Well Eli sucks"?

Further, here is an article from KC Joyner from ESPN Insider:



Insider

Have I proven you wrong yet?

Ok, let me restate my point one more time! As I have already stated, I am not taking anything away from the Giants offense, I think they have a great offense. I was actually paying their defense a compliment by saying that I wish the Titans had their pass rushers. Thats all. People you need to lighten up and not take everything as an insult to your team.
 
Vinny Testaverde, Tim Rattay, and now Todd Bouman.

Still beyond me why none of these teams with sufficient QB needs are picking up Aaron Brooks. Put his meltdown in Oakland aside, the guy can at least move the chains.
 
Wellington said:
On ESPNs NFL front page:



So true. :lol
i hope the cowboys, giants, or greenbay get to the superbowl and win. more so green bay. brett farve going out with a superbowl win would be fucking awesome. that would get the mediocre label off of the nfc, i mean, the nfc isn't so bad, the cardinals of all teams beat an "elite team" already. the nfc east is arguable playing great with the exception of the eagles, and i'm pretty sure the three can take on the entire afc. but, of course its the west and south of the nfc that make things blank. :(

goddamn it.
 
I don't know whats been going on with aaron brooks over the last 5 years... I doubt the guy even wants to play anymore after what happened to him out in Oakland. His last two years with the saints were blown way out of proportion. He was below average but they put a lot more blame on him than he deserved. That line was horrendous, Duece was always hurt, and Joe Horn had a habit of taking him behind the bleachers every day at practice. If he was in any kind of decent mind-state he would've been on the phone with jacksonville the day they cut sandwich, but I don't think he'll be coming back anytime soon.
 
DY_nasty said:
I don't know whats been going on with aaron brooks over the last 5 years... I doubt the guy even wants to play anymore after what happened to him out in Oakland. His last two years with the saints were blown way out of proportion. He was below average but they put a lot more blame on him than he deserved. That line was horrendous, Duece was always hurt, and Joe Horn had a habit of taking him behind the bleachers every day at practice. If he was in any kind of decent mind-state he would've been on the phone with jacksonville the day they cut sandwich, but I don't think he'll be coming back anytime soon.

I think it was Fox NFL Sunday last week (maybe two weeks ago) where Jay Glazer said he talked to Brooks' agent and that they've been mystified he isn't getting calls from any teams.
 
I3rand0 said:
Vinny Testaverde, Tim Rattay, and now Todd Bouman.

Still beyond me why none of these teams with sufficient QB needs are picking up Aaron Brooks. Put his meltdown in Oakland aside, the guy can at least move the chains.
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He was awful in Oakland. Not only that, he was awful in his final season with New Orleans.

He wouldn't be a bad BACKUP, but for a team who have their backups forced to play, I rather have a young guy in there getting reps.
 
I kinda feel sorry for the guy. He was the QB for one hell of an offense... but his leadership skills were just horrible, so when things started heading downhill, they went there fast.
 
Striker said:
He was awful in Oakland. Not only that, he was awful in his final season with New Orleans.

He wouldn't be a bad BACKUP, but for a team who have their backups forced to play, I rather have a young guy in there getting reps.

Who isn't awful in Oakland? It's ignorant to think he is somehow responsible for one of the worst professional offenses every assembled last season.

And while he did have a rough final season in NO, it was by no means his fault entirely. Hell look at the three seasons he put together before that:

2002:

3572 yards, 27 TD's, 15 Int

2003:

3546 yards, 24 TD's, 8 Int

2004:

3810 yards, 21 TD's, 16 Int


Clearly productive numbers. I am guessing his lack of interest stems from a character issue. Otherwise Brook's has shown he's capable of putting up good numbers.
 
Flizzzipper said:
Nick Harper's wife just got cleared for stabbing him. Apparently it was an accident where his knee got into the way of her downward stabbing knife.
That was a bad week for Harper.

First the stabbing and then he screws up the chance to become the most beloved person in Indy because he didn't turn it outside.

I still maintain that Bettis fumbled on purpose. The Colts had something on him!
 
tmdorsey said:
I have to disagree. I've listened to all the conversation about it and I still come back to fact that the coaches have given up on the season which they are not supposed to do at this point. How do you at the midpoint of the season trade away one of the few players that was making an impact in the games? The defense had been playing relatively well and I think was a big part of that. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but it's going to very interesting seeing how the defense performs now.

An unhappy locker room is bad business. This franchise seems like it's going to shit pretty quickly.

I just think that this isn't all Petrino's doing. I think a lot of this is stemming from Mora being such a players' coach that there is now a backlash from the players on the way Petrino handles things. Keep in mind that most of the veterans on the team, except Brooking, spent only a year or so, if any, under Reeves.

Remember that Mora let the players themselves mail it in last year, even though we still had a legitimate chance at still making the playoffs.
 
I have to work during the Eagles/Vikings game this weekend :(. Sucks even more cause this is the week we get our **** togather and start back on pace to 1st place in the NFC East.
 
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