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Most good quarterbacks that are around today stepped up and get better (in some way) every year. Very, very few quarterbacks "bounce back".

Culpepper - Done.
Brooks - Done.
Collins - lol

Griese might be lighting it up right now but how many teams have actually had to gamplan against a chicago passing attack? ever? Besides... Romo was goin at the same pace until people decided to pay attention to him and devote time to actually try to shut him down.
 
DY_nasty said:
Most good quarterbacks that are around today stepped up and get better (in some way) every year. Very, very few quarterbacks "bounce back".

Culpepper - Done.
Brooks - Done.
Collins - lol

Griese might be lighting it up right now but how many teams have actually had to gamplan against a chicago passing attack? ever? Besides... Romo was goin at the same pace until people decided to pay attention to him and devote time to actually try to shut him down.
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thats my point, qbs improve all the time and i can't stress that enough. drew brees and garcia is the most notable currently. yes garcia snapped at san fran, but what did he do at detroit? yes drew brees was awesome with my saints, but what did he do with the chargers? yes griese was good with the broncos, but what did he do with the dolphins? seriously, qbs do improve and get better later on people.
 
topsyturvy said:
thats my point, qbs improve all the time and i can't stress that enough. drew brees and garcia is the most notable currently. yes garcia snapped at san fran, but what did he do at detroit? yes drew brees was awesome with my saints, but what did he do with the chargers? yes griese was good with the broncos, but what did he do with the dolphins? seriously, qbs do improve and get better later on people.
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dude, Brees was awesome in his last year with the Chargers (which also happened to be his 4th year in the league which is, coincidentally, when QBs always find their legs and potential starts to meet who they really are.)

The other two were in DETROIT and MIAMI! Those two organizations are run like train wrecks (detroit until last year, anyways.) You're really reaching by saying that the QBs were bad there-- they were just stuck in shit systems who couldn't use them at all.
 
Tamanon said:
And yet somehow, Vince Young is the one who gets the "just wins games" label.:lol
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That guy is in a perfect situation. The team has a strong D that can make up for his mistakes and he's in the same division as the Colts in a small market so they aren't really expected to do much nationally. Imagine if he was on the Jets :lol
 
Garcia was never "bad" in Detroit. He was working with absolutely nothing. Brees improved but he's only been in the league for about 5-6 years now. Griese is a guy thats way, way over the hill and rightfully (and ironically) earned the title of game manager. Garcia isn't a bounce back guy because he's never lost it. Brees isn't a bounce back guy because he's a 2nd round pick who actually was a damn good quarterback during his last year with the Chargers. And if you want to look more into that situation, he made his improvements at the same time as Antonio Gates. Those San Diego receivers are bums but thats a whole other topic...

Griese MIGHT be as good as Jake Delhomme. Thats one hell of a stretch but its the only comparison that makes sense really. Jake Delhomme came out the gates hot for us too but at the same time we wish we had a young guy that can take over once he's hit the hump. We still hold our breath when he's in there at QB and we damn sure don't think he's the next coming of Young. QBs that get kicked from team to team usually get that treatment for a reason. And stats aside, he's still nowhere near the top on the list of NFC quarterbacks.

Every team in the NFC East has a better QB. Everyone in the NFC South aside from the Falcons. Everyone in the West (I'm giving Bulger an exception because Linehan is about to get fired anyways). And in his own division, he's only better than Tarvaris Jackson.
 
whytemyke said:
dude, Brees was awesome in his last year with the Chargers (which also happened to be his 4th year in the league which is, coincidentally, when QBs always find their legs and potential starts to meet who they really are.)

The other two were in DETROIT and MIAMI! Those two organizations are run like train wrecks (detroit until last year, anyways.) You're really reaching by saying that the QBs were bad there-- they were just stuck in shit systems who couldn't use them at all.
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yea, your right, garcia and griese was fucking shellshocked with their o-line situation respectfully. even on both wiki pages it complained about the oline in both teams. :lol

well, either way, both of those qbs proved there worth. griese is just starting. ;)
 
DY_nasty said:
Garcia was never "bad" in Detroit. He was working with absolutely nothing. Brees improved but he's only been in the league for about 5-6 years now. Griese is a guy thats way, way over the hill and rightfully (and ironically) earned the title of game manager. Garcia isn't a bounce back guy because he's never lost it. Brees isn't a bounce back guy because he's a 2nd round pick who actually was a damn good quarterback during his last year with the Chargers. And if you want to look more into that situation, he made his improvements at the same time as Antonio Gates. Those San Diego receivers are bums but thats a whole other topic...

Griese MIGHT be as good as Jake Delhomme. Thats one hell of a stretch but its the only comparison that makes sense really. Jake Delhomme came out the gates hot for us too but at the same time we wish we had a young guy that can take over once he's hit the hump. We still hold our breath when he's in there at QB and we damn sure don't think he's the next coming of Young. QBs that get kicked from team to team usually get that treatment for a reason. And stats aside, he's still nowhere near the top on the list of NFC quarterbacks.

Every team in the NFC East has a better QB. Everyone in the NFC South aside from the Falcons. Everyone in the West (I'm giving Bulger an exception because Linehan is about to get fired anyways). And in his own division, he's only better than Tarvaris Jackson.
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I don't know man... I watched every game he played in while in Honolulu Blue and I can honestly say that his decision making was horrible at times. Granted, that has to do with how bad the team was because he felt he had to do everything himself, but bad decision making still makes him bad. but I get your point.... he wasn't 'less talented' in motown... he just didn't put it together.
 
Flizzzipper said:
As far as journeyman QBs go, I'd take Garcia over anyone else I can think of. He is at least capable.
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I would take Roethlisberger myself.

jk, Roethlisberger hasnt been on another team so he hasnt journeyed yet
 
Flizzzipper said:
As far as journeyman QBs go, I'd take Garcia over anyone else I can think of. He is at least capable.
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The Niners would probably be a playoff team with Garcia at the helm right now. They'd be a Super Bowl team with Manning, though.

Oh, and Garcia wasn't great in his one year at Detroit, but they were a worse team the year after, when he was gone. At the very least, Garica makes every team better, and there aren't many QBs who can hold that title.
 
whytemyke said:
I don't know man... I watched every game he played in while in Honolulu Blue and I can honestly say that his decision making was horrible at times. Granted, that has to do with how bad the team was because he felt he had to do everything himself, but bad decision making still makes him bad. but I get your point.... he wasn't 'less talented' in motown... he just didn't put it together.
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I watched a lot of the Lions games and I gotta say that some of the route running by those WRs was atrocious. He would make the perfect throw and the WRs would never be where they were supposed to. It must have been frustrating as hell and you could see it in his face. The CBs were running better routes than his guys.
 
bionic77 said:
You would always be wise to take the franchise quarterback.
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Oh in that case ill take Peyton and Brady.



There wasnt a better performance in all of the NFC than Griese? Really?
 
topsyturvy said:
hey guys, griese just got nfc offensive player of the week.
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Grossman won NFC Offensive Player of the Week once last year (12/17/06 against Tampa Bay) and he won the FedEx Air NFL Player of the Week twice (9/17/06 vs Detroit and 10/1/06 against Seattle). :D

Huh, apparantly Nate Clement won NFC Defensive Player of the Week against the Rams this year. I didn't even realize that.

captive said:
There wasnt a better performance in all of the NFC than Griese? Really?
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Adrian Peterson only had 12 carries for some reason.
 
captive said:
Oh in that case ill take Peyton and Brady.



There wasnt a better performance in all of the NFC than Griese? Really?
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Adrian Peterson had a pretty blase day ruined by his fumbles. Otherwise the NFC's offenses have been pretty putrid this past week. Even Dallas looked like crap most of their game.
 
Tamanon said:
Adrian Peterson had a pretty blase day ruined by his fumbles. Otherwise the NFC's offenses have been pretty putrid this past week. Even Dallas looked like crap most of their game.
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The Niners had more then 250 yards of offense, First time in 4 games! Yeahhhhhhhh boy!

Alex is Back! He's back baby!!!!!
 
Gigglepoo said:
The Niners would probably be a playoff team with Garcia at the helm right now. They'd be a Super Bowl team with Manning, though.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

oh man
 
methodman said:
Alex is Back! He's back baby!!!!!
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Is he back? Is it official? Can I start the celebration?

Enron said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

oh man
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Manning could take any team in the NFC to the Super Bowl. They probably wouldn't win... but they would represent the NFC. Can you imagine the Vikings with Manning? Or Carolina? They'd be pretty awesome.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Is he back? Is it official? Can I start the celebration?



Manning could take any team in the NFC to the Super Bowl. They probably wouldn't win... but they would represent the NFC.
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You do realize you're completely arguing against your earlier point about QBs being made by their offensive weapons around them, don't ya?:P
 
Gigglepoo said:
Is he back? Is it official? Can I start the celebration?



Manning could take any team in the NFC to the Super Bowl. They probably wouldn't win... but they would represent the NFC.
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Dude, the niners have WAY too many holes to even sniff the Superbowl, even with Laser Rocket Arm at qb.
 
Tamanon said:
You do realize you're completely arguing against your earlier point about QBs being made by their offensive weapons around them, don't ya?:P
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Ha! There's talent in San Francisco! Manning wouldn't have ridiculous stats, but he could certainly get 10 wins with that team. It's Peyton Freaking Manning! He's one of the 10 best QBs of all time and he's in his prime! You're damn right he could take any NFC team to the Super Bowl.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Adrian Peterson only had 12 carries for some reason.
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Tamanon said:
Adrian Peterson had a pretty blase day ruined by his fumbles. Otherwise the NFC's offenses have been pretty putrid this past week. Even Dallas looked like crap most of their game.
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Yea I watched the Vikings Dallas game. My fantasy team had to eek out a win because peterson had a below average game, I won with that last minute Manning TD in the fourth quater. Which allowed me to hold bragging rights over my best friend, who called me right before Manning threw it which promted a stream of curses. :lol
 
Holy Shit! From TMQB (yeah, I' m a day late):

Stat of the Week No. 3: New England has scored more points thus far this season than six teams (Carolina, Cleveland, Houston, Miami, Oakland and Tampa) scored all of last season.

Stat of the Week No. 10: Rob Bironas of Tennessee scored more points this weekend (26) than 17 teams (Atlanta, Arizona, Baltimore, Buffalo, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Minnesota, New Orleans, Oakland, Philadelphia, San Francisco, St. Louis, Tampa, Washington.)
 
If the Lions pull out with a win this weekend we should be considered NFC contenders.

After years of pain and misery as a Lions fan If we beat the Bears we'll have enough momentum and experience to reach the 10 win mark predicted by Kitna earlier this year.
 
Kastrioti said:
If the Lions pull out with a win this weekend we should be considered NFC contenders.

After years of pain and misery as a Lions fan If we beat the Bears we'll have enough momentum and experience to reach the 10 win mark predicted by Kitna earlier this year.
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i feel that you guys will contain griese's awesomeness, sadly. :(

speaking of nfc contenders, i feel that the panthers will lose, giving layaway for are probable comeback in the south :D
 
At least we'll lose to a good team. The Over/Under on TDs for Peyton Manning in that game shall be set at 4. But I'm not worried, the Saints are gonna get shafted on the road anyways.
 
Marvin Harrison is on the trading block in my fantasy league, and I want to take a shot at him. The owner said he wants an RB, possibly a QB. My other receivers are:

Tory Holt, Bernard Berrian, Andre Johnson, Kevin Curtis, and Brandon Marshall.

QB and RBs:

Eli, Favre, A-Pete, Bush, Gore, Brandon Jacobs.

I told him A-Pete is off limits, but I'd be willing to part with Favre, Jacobs, Gore, or Bush. The guy never responded. I am willing to trade a combination of a Favre or an RB with a WR (Berrian or Marshall) for Harrison, but I did not tell him this.

Any advice? Jason Campbell is available on the wire which is why I am interested in moving Favre. (VY and Huard are also out there) Eli's bye week is week 8, and he doesn't play any good D's for the rest of the year, so I am looking really for insurance at that position.
 
Kastrioti said:
If the Lions pull out with a win this weekend we should be considered NFC contenders.

After years of pain and misery as a Lions fan If we beat the Bears we'll have enough momentum and experience to reach the 10 win mark predicted by Kitna earlier this year.
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It's amazing isn't it? I say we win this weekend and I say SUCK IT to the haters, especially that thread title that "at least they aren't the Lions" referring to the lowly saints (this season at least). No offense to Saints fans, but the disrespect that implied, that at LEAST they weren't a 4-2 team made me mad (though at the time the Lions were 2-1 I believe and the saints 0-3.
 
Gaborn said:
It's amazing isn't it? I say we win this weekend and I say SUCK IT to the haters, especially that thread title that "at least they aren't the Lions" referring to the lowly saints (this season at least). No offense to Saints fans, but the disrespect that implied, that at LEAST they weren't a 4-2 team made me mad (though at the time the Lions were 2-1 I believe and the saints 0-3.
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:O

how could you, i said you guys would win, and this is how you repay me? :(

griese shall impose his might of awesomeness upon you.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Adrian Peterson only had 12 carries for some reason.
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bad coaching

if i was hc in minny, ap would touch the ball 25+ times a game, i dont care how much they are paying chester, ap would be gettin the work load
 
topsyturvy said:
:O

how could you, i said you guys would win, and this is how you repay me? :(

griese shall impose his might of awesomeness upon you.
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LOL, hey man, as I said no offense to you, the Saints are a good team I always have a healthy respect for, you guys play us tough. But this thread title set me of at the time, and especially now in retrospect, it's nothing personal, god knows my Lions have had a few dozen down years too.
 
I wonder how long alex will last with that O line? Maybe till MNF when the Hawks will take him out for the rest of the season.
 
Wellington said:
CMON! Answer!
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I have Harrison in one of my leagues.
If you trade for him i wouldnt give up too much. Wayne and the TE's have been Mannings primary targets. Granted Harrison has been out for a few weeks, but Andre Davis(Hou - who also didnt play the first few weeks until Andre Johnson went down), Bernard Berrian and Shaun McDonald all have more points than him.
Im sure Harrison will have a breakout game eventually, at least im hoping.
 
captive said:
I have Harrison in one of my leagues.
If you trade for him i wouldnt give up too much. Wayne and the TE's have been Mannings primary targets. Granted Harrison has been out for a few weeks, but Andre Davis(Hou - who also didnt play the first few weeks until Andre Johnson went down), Bernard Berrian and Shaun McDonald all have more points than him.
Im sure Harrison will have a breakout game eventually, at least im hoping.
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That's only because of injury. He'll get his grabs soon.

Jacobs isn't a great back in terms of FF. Him and Marshall would be a fair trade. I'm a biased Broncos hater, though.
 
Right but even through the first three games (he got hurt in week four, i believe) he had only 1 TD and not 1 game with over even 90 yards recieving. Unless he was hurt before the season, which would be news to me.
 
maynerd said:
I wonder how long alex will last with that O line? Maybe till MNF when the Hawks will take him out for the rest of the season.
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rams were close to taking out hasslebeak a few times too. not a good year for NFC WEST qbs
 
soulja224466 said:
rams were close to taking out hasslebeak a few times too. not a good year for NFC WEST qbs
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Not a good year for the NFC West.


Have you guys been checking NFL.com lately? They've really updated their video section, it's pretty damn awesome. They have replays of almost every player from every game now.
 
Karakand said:
Eli, Eli lama sabachthani?
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He's too busy laughing to respond. T_T





...maybe kiffin is just playing his games again! Maybe we get AWalt futures, then McCown resurgence, then JRUSS REAL FUTURES FOR REALS THIS TIME!
 
RAIDERS THINKING ABOUT DUMPING RHODES

A league source tells us that the Oakland Raiders are contemplating the possibility of releasing running back Dominic Rhodes.

Over the weekend, Jay Glazer FOX reported that Rhodes had been available via trade.

If Rhodes is released, he will be required to first pass through waivers. If he clears waivers, he will be an unrestricted free agent.

Rhodes arguably should have been named the MVP of Super Bowl XLI. He left the Colts via unrestricted free agency, and he prepped for his foray into free agency peeing all over himself in the back of a police cruiser. Allegedly. He later was suspended for the first four games of the 2007 season for violation of the substance-abuse policy.
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Well that was quick...
 
methodman said:
Not a good year for the NFC West.
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Honestly I don't see the niners improving much as the season progresses either. Which is really a shame following their promising off-season. Sucks for a guy like B. Young as well, who has already said this is likely his last season -- only returning for one (seemingly) last playoff run.

Granted there's been some detours. Such as the injuries to Davis and Smith. However I don't buy much into Norv Turners departure ruining the continuity on offense. Honestly I think had he stayed, the organization still doesn't have the personnel to compete (even in a weak NFC) consistently at a high level.

For example, last season (particularly early on) nobody respected the 49ers running game. Therefore Frank Gore was capable (in their scheme) of tearing teams apart. Ultimately this helped Alex Smith as well, and even with a weak WR core, seemed to be getting better. However if you watch a lot of their games from last season, his decision making was still rather poor. Fast forward to the first few games of this season with teams stacking 8-9 guys in the box to stop Gore, Smith still seems pretty lost. Now I know he's a young QB and still "growing" in the system, but you can only use that excuse for so long. At the end of the day he has to step up and at the least be able to move the chains. Particularly when you put him in comparison with what other QB's (past and present) have done in their first/second year.

As long as the team doesn't lose faith in Nolan, I think it's much more vital to position themselves in focusing on improving their young talent, rather then trying to rush/ruin anything by making a half-hearted playoff push. Simply put, make it known to the youth that while we're not giving up, we're also realistic about how much work still needs to be done.
 
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