NFL Week 9 Thread: Kissed By a Coach On The Grey

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ColdBlooded33 said:
Another EXCITING week of football for people in LA!

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B-b-b-b-b-but we get all the exciting games here every week. That's why we don't need a team of our own!

P.S. TV networks making a major mistake not showing the Raiders back-to-back wins over last year's conference champs.
 
storybook77 said:
No, it doesn't surprise me. Maybe they should have their own "We won the Super Bowl last year so it doesn't matter that we stink this year" thread. :D
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I work with a Steeler fan. I am a Cincinnati fan. Whenever I bring up the Steeler's shitty performance, his response is "We won the Super Bowl last year." Which would be great if this were last year, but the last time I checked, winning a Super Bowl doesn't give a team the right to not play well the next season. As far as I am concerned, bragging rights for last year end when pre-season starts.
 
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KISS THE RINGS!
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Great USA Today article on Ocho and TJ:

C.J. & T.J. — the Bengals' odd couple — one's flash, the other's polish

By Jim Corbett, USA TODAY

CINCINNATI — Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh sit across from each other in the corner booth at Johnson's favorite Cincinnati restaurant, J. Alexander's.

The place is crowded and buzzing on this Friday night.

The Bengals' dynamic duo of C.J. and T.J. are a big reason for the buzz, attracting several fans, who ask the receivers to autograph their dinner napkins. Tackle Willie Anderson and running back Rudi Johnson drop by, sharing a few laughs with their charismatic teammates.

Given the litany of off-field legal woes young players such as second-year linebacker Odell Thurman and wide receiver Chris Henry have found, coach Marvin Lewis will be pleased to know that none of his Bengals is drinking anything stronger than cranberry juice this night.

Johnson and Houshmandzadeh draw a cocoon of friends and fans because they are as unique and colorful as their hairstyles. Johnson is the grown-up class clown, sporting a faux blond Mohawk one would expect to see on a WWE wrestler.

"Only Chad could get away with that Mohawk," Atlanta Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall says.

The first guy Johnson called when he decided on his cartoonish hairstyle? Houshmandzadeh.

"You couldn't pay me enough to wear a Mohawk," Houshmandzadeh says.

Of African-American and Persian descent, Houshmandzadeh wears his hair in a distinctive, slicked-back ponytail.

Johnson laughs his contagious laugh between puffs on a fat cigar Rudi Johnson calls "a wide body."

The free-spirited C.J. might blow a lot of smoke, but it's his way of masking the fire that burns within to be great.

Houshmandzadeh is the married, more mature, less flashy older brother of this duo — the guy who orders a cheeseburger to Johnson's filet mignon. Curiously, Houshmandzadeh was the showman known for his touchdown dances when the pair played together in 2000 at Oregon State under then-coach Dennis Erickson. Their roles have reversed in the NFL, where Johnson has become famous for his creative end-zone celebrations that complement his high-flying catches.

Johnson and Houshmandzadeh are different yet similar. They are football blood brothers connected by incandescent talent and edgy beginnings. Each overcame the challenges of their youth to star at Oregon State and with the Bengals, who drafted both in 2001.

Their friendship also transcends any jealousy two No. 1-caliber wide receivers might spark.

"To have two receivers as good as we are and be on the same team? It's really unheard of because he's a No. 1 receiver and I'm a No. 1 receiver and there's never a conflict," Johnson says.

"When I make a great catch, he wants to show me up with his play. But it's always a friendly rivalry. Usually, combinations like T.J. and myself, it doesn't work. There's friction. But because we've been together so long, we understand what we've been through and where we've come from. We've pulled through together."

They are bonded by a sixth sense that allowed them to skirt serious trouble growing up the way they now evade zone coverages.

"We're like brothers," Johnson says. "Sometimes we have serious talks about how we appreciate where and who we are now. We talked at Oregon State about wanting to make it. Period."

They took the long, improbable road to NFL success — Johnson from Liberty City, Fla., and Houshmandzadeh from Los Angeles and later, Barstow, Calif.

"They're my two sons," former Oregon State receivers coach Eric Yarber says. "They put their hands in fire. You can do that for a little bit and it won't burn you. Chad and T.J. knew when to get their hands out of the fire.

"After class, they would come right to my office and watch tons of film, and they watched the No. 1 NFL receivers in college. That burning drive is what makes them great."

Entering Week 9, Johnson and Houshmandzadeh each have 36 catches. Johnson has 451 receiving yards and two touchdowns, and T.J. has 422 yards and four touchdowns despite missing the first two games with a bruised heel.

"They're blood brothers for life — Fred (Flintstone) and Barney (Rubble)," Bengals receivers coach Hue Jackson says. "They have each other's backs, fronts and sides."

Their stories are more compelling than any reality show.

Houshmandzadeh was a high school dropout who sat idle for two years after he was kicked off his high school basketball team.

"I didn't care if I played football," Houshmandzadeh recalls. "But I never had a job. What else could I do really?

"I'd be out on the streets at night, and I'd just get this bad feeling that something was going to happen and I'd say, 'OK, I'll see you all tomorrow.' Then I'd read in the paper the next day that somebody in the group I was with got shot.

"I just had this sixth sense to avoid something really bad."

When he got a call from his former high school coach who had moved to Cerritos College in Norwalk, Calif., about playing junior college football, Houshmandzadeh had the good sense to grab the chance.

Johnson was kicked out of his first college stop, Division II Langston (Okla.), for fighting. His grandmother, Bessie Flowers, sent him to live with his mother in Los Angeles, where Johnson played at Santa Monica Junior College. His teammate? Future Carolina Panthers receiving star Steve Smith.

When he first met Johnson, Smith wondered, "Oh man, who is this cat? He was from Florida, and being in L.A., he looked like a tourist. ... That's Chad.

"He's always been him — the entertainer. ... He's the playmaker."

Houshmandzadeh helped "The Playmaker" make it at Oregon State, the next stop on Johnson's journey after he'd extricated himself from South Florida's roughest streets.

"I was surrounded by dope dealers and robbers in the crowd I hung with, but I was lucky," Johnson says. "If something was going down, the dealers and robbers would tell me, 'Chad, go home.' They didn't want me to fail because of my talent.

"I squeezed through the crack, a very small crack. I was a knucklehead back then."

Johnson concedes if it weren't for his grandmother, he might have wound up selling drugs or in jail.

Houshmandzadeh was raised with three other siblings by his mother in Los Angeles. But his mother moved him to live with his grandmother in Barstow.

"I really didn't do good living with my mother in L.A., so I was with my grandmother off and on maybe five years," he says.

"I'm lucky, man. Not to discredit my mother or my grandmother. But from 13 on, I did what I wanted. I ran the streets.

"I found trouble. I was fortunate that it was only on a few occasions where I got caught."

Quarterback Carson Palmer has his own analogy for the C.J.-T.J. relationship.

"It's just funny," Palmer says. "They're like an old, bickering married couple. They've been picking on each other forever. T.J. definitely wears the pants in the relationship, and Chad's along for the ride."

Palmer has had to play marriage counselor now and again. He refocused Cincinnati's odd couple late in a Sept. 24 win at Pittsburgh, telling Johnson and Houshmandzadeh in the huddle to quit talking trash with Steelers defenders, who were taking them out of their game.

"Carson had to tell us to quit yapping at their guys and just play," Houshmandzadeh says.

"Carson said that?" Johnson says.

Houshmandzadeh, ever the older brother, just rolls his eyes.

Here's the question: Would Cincinnati's dynamic duo be as good without the other?

"I don't know as far as how good we would be. It's hard to say," Houshmandzadeh says. "Our competitive drive would have gotten us here. But it would be different because we would be on different teams."

Yarber insists they wouldn't be anywhere close to as good as they are now without the other. "No doubt they're here because of each other," says Yarber, who coached Houshmandzadeh for two years and Johnson for one. "When I had those two guys in 2000, Chad brought the best out of T.J. Everybody was looking at Chad to have a great year. But T.J. made that offense go.

"Everybody thought Chad was the fastest. But when it really came down to it, T.J. was just as fast. If it wasn't for T.J, I don't think Chad would have been drafted in the second round. T.J. would line up Chad on the field and tell him what to do."

How did Houshmandzadeh help Johnson? "He told me, 'Chad, get missing,' which meant go get open," Johnson laughs.

Houshmandzadeh is a student of the game who has forced Johnson to apply himself more.

"T.J.'s an intellectual football player," Bengals offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski says. "He really knows why things are done, why defenses do things. That allows him to go use his ability and put himself in the right spot. He has great hands. He catches a lot of contested balls. He's great with run after the catch and very precise in his route running."

Says Houshmandzadeh: "I think I'm the most underrated receiver in the game. Terry Glenn of the Cowboys might be the most underrated receiver in the league outside of myself."

T.J. — short for Touraj — Houshmandzadeh never knew his Iranian father. "I never met him, so my kids and myself have a last name we know nothing about," Houshmandzadeh says.

Houshmandzadeh and Johnson vow their kids won't grow up the same. Houshmandzadeh and wife Kaci have two daughters, Karrington, 6, and Kennedi, 4. Johnson's locker is adorned with pictures of his four children: Jicyra, 8; Chad Jr., 4; Chade, 3; and Chaiel, 1.

"You wouldn't believe that as star athletes, who make as much money as they do and have the national notoriety that Chad has being on TV all the time, what great fathers they are," receivers coach Jackson says. "Chad's a softie. People don't know his heart is as big as it is."

Houshmandzadeh showed his heart by fighting for everything he earned.

"When T.J. came out, I remember one scout prejudged T.J., who has a couple of tattoos," Yarber says.

"The scout said, 'T.J.'s a thug, isn't he?' I said, 'Stop right there. Go spend 45 minutes with him, then tell me what you think.'

"The scout came back with his head down. I asked him, 'Is he a thug?' He said, 'Man, I prejudged that kid.'

"I told Bratkowski you need to go to jail for stealing T.J. in the seventh round."

The same way New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is fueled by his sixth-round draft slight, Houshmandzadeh is driven by the snub of being the 204th player taken in the 2001 draft.

"I still feel like I have to prove myself because I was drafted in the seventh round," Houshmandzadeh says. "I was 221 pounds in college, and they (scouts) would say, 'Oh, he's not that fast.' I'm 200 pounds now. When Marvin Lewis got here, I was 210 and he said he wanted me at 200. It's not about your size. It's about speed and quickness. I just like to play football and play hard.

"If you would have bet on me when I first came into the league to be where I am now in my sixth season, it would have been like betting on a long shot winning the Kentucky Derby."

Houshmandzadeh has emerged as Cincinnati's most consistent offensive weapon this season. He has great balance and runs like a running back after the catch.

Last summer, Palmer, Houshmandzadeh and Johnson spent a week before training camp working on honing their timing and non-verbal communication at The Home Depot Center in Carson, Calif.

"They both truly believe that they're the best receiver in the league," Palmer says. "They're not cocky about it with each other. They don't put each other down. They fire each other up and challenge each other."

"Gumby" and "The Rock" — those are Jackson's nicknames for C.J. and T.J. Johnson brings the vertical stretch, and Houshmandzadeh has emerged as money in the red zone.

"T.J.'s very physical," Palmer says. "I've never seen anybody with such great balance. He gets hit so hard, he's standing on one foot and he keeps his balance and winds up breaking a tackle and still getting upfield."

Before a Week 7 win against Carolina, Johnson expressed frustration that the aggressive Bengals of 2005 had disappeared in back-to-back losses to New England and Tampa Bay. He urged Bratkowski to attack more in his play-calling, walking a fine line. Lewis insisted Johnson tone down his antics. After his diving, 32-yard catch set up Houshmandzadeh's winning touchdown catch against the Panthers, the new Chad went back to the huddle without fanfare.

But the old Chad has been back in rare form, telling the Atlanta media during an Oct. 25 conference call he would shave his Mohawk if Hall, whom Johnson called "DeAngelo Fall," got the better of him in their Week 8 duel. Johnson gained 78 yards and scored a touchdown, but Hall's Falcons won the game 29-27.

One other thing about C.J. and T.J. that stands out besides those soft hands that allowed both to rise above hard beginnings: They share unwavering belief in Palmer.

"We're lucky to have 9 (Palmer's jersey number)," Johnson says. "If we weren't good receivers, he would make us good. But since we're great and he's great, we're going to be just fine."

It would help if Henry — the talented but troubled young receiver who sat out the Tampa Bay loss and the Carolina win because of a suspension — can return to take pressure off T.J. and C.J. and get his life squared away. Henry was suspended for violating the league's substance abuse and conduct policy.

"Chris Henry has Randy Moss talent," Johnson says. "If that suspension doesn't wake him up, I don't know what will."

Says Houshmandzadeh: "You just hope he will learn. That's it. You have to learn."
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maynerd said:
This surprises you? They were frauds in the first place anyways.
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Frauds? They definitely were a bit overrated but the real frauds were the Seahawks. Without Hutchinson and your artificial crowd noise you're nothing. :P

Oh, and the obligatory "kiss the rings" :lol :

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http://chiefscoalition.com/index.php?id=380

Two of the most prolific offensive weapons in the NFL, Chad Johnson of the Cincinnati Bengals and Larry Johnson of the Kansas City Chiefs, took their game to the virtual field on Xbox Live to determine who the better scorer was as part of the premier episode of “Settle the Score” on MTV.

To raise the stakes, Chad and Larry wagered personal items at the start of each half. LJ put on the line his custom Reebok sneakers, an autographed Charlie Joiner jersey and his game-worn Pro-Bowl jersey; Chad fired back by wagering a pair of game-worn cleats, one of his touchdown balls, as well as an autographed Clinton Portis jersey. Chad was the better Johnson after the first half, kicking three field goals to best Larry 9-7, winning all of LJ’s wagered items.


The stakes grew at the start of the second half when Larry, confident that he’d come back and beat Chad, put up his custom Chopper Motorcycle against Chad’s. Using “cyber LJ,” the Chiefs’ Johnson ran all over the Bengals in the third quarter, scoring a 24-yard touchdown to take the lead 14-9.

With momentum on his side heading into the fourth quarter, LJ came out with an astonishing wager: if he won, Chad ’s famous Mohawk would be dyed Kansas City Chiefs red; if he lost, Larry would shave his hair down to a Mohawk and color it Cincinnati Bengals orange.

After accepting the bet, Chad broke the gates strong in the final frame, tossing an 80-yard touchdown to himself to take the lead 16-14. LJ fired back to make the score 21-16. Chad answered with a 12-yard touchdown run to take a 23-21 lead with 1:27 left in the game. With two timeouts and the ball at his own 20 yard line, LJ methodically drove the Chiefs down field to the Cincinnati eight yard line, setting up a game-winning field with just three seconds left on the clock.

Larry 24, Chad 23.

Honoring their wager, Chad loaded his Chopper onto a truck and said goodbye to it as it left for Kansas City. He then immediately went upstairs and dyed his golden Mohawk
Kansas City Chiefs, which he’ll wear throughout the week and during his game this Sunday, October 29, against the Atlanta Falcons.

For more on the battle between CJ and LJ, viewers should be on the look out for the
debut of “Settle the Score” on MTV on Monday, November 13 at 8:00 p.m. EST/PST.
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He did dye his hair red, but he didn't keep it against the Falcons. Understandable, though.

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I work with a Steeler fan. I am a Cincinnati fan. Whenever I bring up the Steeler's shitty performance, his response is "We won the Super Bowl last year." Which would be great if this were last year, but the last time I checked, winning a Super Bowl doesn't give a team the right to not play well the next season. As far as I am concerned, bragging rights for last year end when pre-season starts.
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no it doesnt give the players the excuse to not play well the next season, but for us fans, its something for us to look back on and instead of being all "oh our team always blows it" like most Eagles fans I know (not here) we can say well at least we won it last year, cant win it every year. This year hurts yea, but I don't mind it as much because of last years success.

This surprises you? They were frauds in the first place anyways
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FRAUDS??! Come on man, you want a fraud I'll give you Vick, the kid has 2 great passing games and every Falcon fan declares he's the next Montana, talk about fraudage! Just a few weeks ago everyone was wondering if Vick was still going to be the Falcons starter for the future.

... actually im curious why do you say the Steelers are frauds? ;)



Oh and Pittsburgh doesnt suck this year, we will finish above 500, mark my words! All of Pittsburgh's losses were close games that could have swung the other way in a heartbeat, none were blowouts ... that right there should say something.
it says turnovers :(
 
I won't go as far as to say that the Steelers of last year were frauds, but they did get quite lucky in their progression to the Super Bowl.

Most of the animosity I see directed towards the Steelers is usually focused on Ben R. He's a decent QB, but not a great one. He benefited more from the rest of his team, and I think what we are seeing now is a tad more indicative of how he actually plays. He'll never have another good season like he did in '05.
 
Tedesco! said:
I won't go as far as to say that the Steelers of last year were frauds, but they did get quite lucky in their progression to the Super Bowl.

Most of the animosity I see directed towards the Steelers is usually focused on Ben R. He's a decent QB, but not a great one. He benefited more from the rest of his team, and I think what we are seeing now is a tad more indicative of how he actually plays. He'll never have another good season like he did in '05.
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Hit the nail on the head. Charlie Batch is a better QB for Pittsburgh right now.
 
FFS, Tommy "XFL" Maddux was having success with the Steelers. The system there works, no matter who's at qb. I don't think Batch and Ben are worth a shit, they just happen to be on a great team. PEACE.
 
Pimpwerx said:
FFS, Tommy "XFL" Maddux was having success with the Steelers. The system there works, no matter who's at qb. I don't think Batch and Ben are worth a shit, they just happen to be on a great team. PEACE.
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Much like Denver's system with running backs.
 
Tedesco! said:
I won't go as far as to say that the Steelers of last year were frauds, but they did get quite lucky in their progression to the Super Bowl.

Most of the animosity I see directed towards the Steelers is usually focused on Ben R. He's a decent QB, but not a great one. He benefited more from the rest of his team, and I think what we are seeing now is a tad more indicative of how he actually plays. He'll never have another good season like he did in '05.
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Oh no, the sky is falling for Ben! After two astounding, record breaking years, when things don't go perfect, it's look, it was the team! It was the team! Ben is finished, he'll never play in the league again! Laugh at Steeler fans, they only want to talk about last year!

Most of the animosity directed towards the Steelers is natural. Everybody hates the current winner, especially fans of teams that the Steelers crawled over to get there.
 
Pimpwerx said:
FFS, Tommy "XFL" Maddux was having success with the Steelers. The system there works, no matter who's at qb. I don't think Batch and Ben are worth a shit, they just happen to be on a great team. PEACE.
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Yeah, Cowher, Tomczak, Graham, Stewart and Tommy do nothing but polish up all their AFC Championship and Super Bowl trophies all day. Remember all those thrilling come from behind wins Stewart engineered? Man, those were awesome. Or how about Tommy, now there was a dude that could deliver in the clutch I tell ya. ****in ice water in his veins, baby. The best.
 
Spectral Glider said:
Oh no, the sky is falling for Ben! After two astounding, record breaking years, when things don't go perfect, it's look, it was the team! It was the team! Ben is finished, he'll never play in the league again! Laugh at Steeler fans, they only want to talk about last year!

Most of the animosity directed towards the Steelers is natural. Everybody hates the current winner, especially fans of teams that the Steelers crawled over to get there.
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I never said he was finished, I just said he will not regain the form he had in his first two years.

How do you explain his performance this year? The car wreck? The surgery? Did he eat bad spinach? Steeler fan comes up with all kinds of excuses except the correct one: Ben is a decent to good QB, that's it. He's a step above Kordell Stewart, and that's about it.
 
Spectral Glider said:
Yeah, Cowher, Tomczak, Graham, Stewart and Tommy do nothing but polish up all their AFC Championship and Super Bowl trophies all day. Remember all those thrilling come from behind wins Stewart engineered? Man, those were awesome. Or how about Tommy, now there was a dude that could deliver in the clutch I tell ya. ****in ice water in his veins, baby. The best.
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Preach it! Big Ben, Brad Johnson, and Trent Dilfer rock the Super Bowl hard!
 
Tedesco! said:
I never said he was finished, I just said he will not regain the form he had in his first two years.

How do you explain his performance this year? The car wreck? The surgery? Did he eat bad spinach? Steeler fan comes up with all kinds of excuses except the correct one: Ben is a decent to good QB, that's it. He's a step above Kordell Stewart, and that's about it.
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:lol

Here's the stats for the QBs of the Cowher era that began in 92: Read the numbers and you tell me how they suddenly jumped up in one year, and pay attention to completion percentage, yards per attempt, TDs and Passer Rating.

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http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493043

And aside from yards per attempt(which is down a yard and a half) and those nagging picks, Ben's numbers this year aren't that far off of his first two seasons. His completion percentage is the same as last year. And actually, in terms of yardage, he's on pace to throw for more yards by his 12th game.

A step above Kordell :lol ....Kordell ****in sucked as a passer and as a leader of a football team. That would be like me saying Palmer is a step above Klingler. Shut the **** up with that garbage. Stick to what you know, the Bengals.

EDIT: Having not even played three full seasons, Big Ben already has 40 TD passes to Kordell's 70 with the Steelers in 8 seasons. More than half. :lol
 
Spectral Glider said:
As opposed to what? The Seahawks not even making that 82 playoff tournament? Hell, even the Cardinals got into that one. :lol
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? I'm not a seahawks fan?
 
Spectral Glider said:
Yeah, Cowher, Tomczak, Graham, Stewart and Tommy do nothing but polish up all their AFC Championship and Super Bowl trophies all day. Remember all those thrilling come from behind wins Stewart engineered? Man, those were awesome. Or how about Tommy, now there was a dude that could deliver in the clutch I tell ya. ****in ice water in his veins, baby. The best.
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Meh, he was winning games. There are far worse positions to be in. Yeah, he did suck at one point, but Ben is just entering that phase now. Give him time to crash and burn. Well, he got the first part taken care of. :lol PEACE.
 
Spectral Glider said:
EDIT: Having not even played three full seasons, Big Ben already has 40 TD passes to Kordell's 70 with the Steelers in 8 seasons. More than half. :lol
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Ben is averaging just over 13 TDs a season while Kordell was averaging less than 9! 8-O
 
I remember the good 'ole days of SLASH in a Bears uniform.

And Jim Miller.

And Chad Hutchinson.

And Jonathon Quinn.

And Craig Krenzel.

And Cade McNown.

Please stay healthy Rex! It is nice to see a real NFL QB running our offense for once!
 
Pimpwerx said:
Meh, he was winning games. There are far worse positions to be in. Yeah, he did suck at one point, but Ben is just entering that phase now. Give him time to crash and burn. Well, he got the first part taken care of. :lol PEACE.
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Tommy's regular season record as a starter with the Steelers? Edit: (Forgot the two games he pissed away last year) 14-16-1. He was 1-1 in the playoffs. I'll give him props for the 473 he put up against the Falcons in the tie game and that massive playoff comeback against the Brownies in 02.....but then again, now that I think about, it was the Browns.

And listen, nobody has been on Ben more than me this year. I would have benched him last week. I would have rested him longer at the beginning of the season. But I've been through plenty of bad QBs, and I know that Ben isn't anywhere near as bad at the moment. Could he tank like Maddox did after he had his arm torn off by the Ravens? Sure, it's possible. Nobody is totally immune to it. I'm willing to let this season play out though and give the kid the benefit of the doubt. One season does not a career make.
 
Slo said:
Preach it! Big Ben, Brad Johnson, and Trent Dilfer rock the Super Bowl hard!
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Trent Dilfer is by far my favorite Super Bowl winner to be the "I'm Going to Disney World!" guy, even if the Ravens knocked the Raiders out of the playoffs that year.

Mrbob said:
And Cade McNown.
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Cade might've been a point shaving bust, but he was money for UCLA!
 
Tedesco! said:
I never said he was finished, I just said he will not regain the form he had in his first two years.

How do you explain his performance this year? The car wreck? The surgery? Did he eat bad spinach? Steeler fan comes up with all kinds of excuses except the correct one: Ben is a decent to good QB, that's it. He's a step above Kordell Stewart, and that's about it.
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Are you a joke character? Ben looks like he has lost at least 20 lbs since the accident. Not to mention that he was knocked out badly enough in Atlanta that he didn't move for a few minutes. He sure looked alright against KC and Atlanta before he got knocked out, but I guess you have some bullshit explanation for those performances as well. He also looked far better than Batch did in that game. This despite not getting the best protection from his line and having his receivers drop a few passes.

I don't see how Ben is a decent qb. When he is healthy, he has a strong arm, is incredibly accurate (one of the most accurate qb's in the league actually), and has good mobility to buy time in the pocket. And most importantly he is willing to take the big hit to make a play and has a proven record of being clutch.

But, I have had this argument numerous times on GAF before and I know there is nothing I can write to convince you otherwise.
 
Need some good cheap Fantasy WR picks as I'm over my cap. Any suggs?

QB Michael Vick, ATL[P] @DET 7.4 7.4 --
QB Seneca Wallace, SEA OAK 4.6 4.6 --
RB Larry Johnson, KC[P] @STL 7.9 7.9 --
RB LaDainian Tomlinson, SD CLE 7.8 7.8 --
WR Plaxico Burress, NYG[P] HOU
WR Hines Ward, PIT DEN
TE Desmond Clark, CHI MIA 3.7 3.7 --
K Stephen Gostkowski, NE IND 3.7 3.7 --
D Seattle Seahawks, OAK

I HAVE to take Vick, no-brainer. LT and LJ are the reason I have to chance Seneca Wallace. and the TE-K-D are low-cost that should do well (although the Seahawks D I don't know about). I need cheaper WR's to make it work.
 
I mention the car wreck and the surgery, because that is the excuse that I have heard from most of the Steeler fans I know. If those aren't a factor, fine. I haven't heard a decent reason as to why Ben has performed so poorly this season, other than the previously mentioned explanations.

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Not from this board anyway. I've just recently started to pay attention to this thread, so if the explanations were made, I missed them.
 
Tedesco! said:
I mention the car wreck and the surgery, because that is the excuse that I have heard from most of the Steeler fans I know. If those aren't a factor, fine. I haven't heard a decent reason as to why Ben has performed so poorly this season, other than the previously mentioned explanations.

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WTF?

Severe head injuries and a surgery to your abdominal area are not an excuse for poor play?

I really don't know what to say. Personally I felt Ben should never have started the season because he was not physically able to, nor did I think he should have started in Oakland (disaster waiting to happen).

I still don't understand how you or anyone could ignore the extent of those injuries. If Ben stinks next year I won't make any excuses, but it isn't like he is complaining of a sore knee or something. He had serious injuries.
 
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