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NHL 2011-2012 Offseason thread of Cash Rules Everything Around Me
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Holy crap!
Syph Medwes
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Haha yea I'd be fine with one too.
Crazymoogle
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Damn it. Weber, you're supposed to wait for the Canucks offer sheet first.
Not like we have the cap for that anyway
Zombie James
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@DarrenDreger said:
Damn.
BigJonsson
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Dreger also says that there was trade talk but deadlines passed and Weber signed the sheet, may have been other teams involved in trade talk before
Dastardly Jerks
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Watch Nashville match. If they don't - bam.
Sefffffff
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I need a weapon! STAT!
/Master Chief
yankeehater
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Can the Preds match and then trade him? I cant see them wanting to pay him this much.
yankeehater
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LOL at this. Flyers dont need 1st round picks. They sign players every off season, plus Weber is worth way more then 4 guys drafted at the end of the 1st.
They can, but Nashville doesn't have to match the NMC/NTC if they want to match the contract, only the salary.
You wish.
Syph Medwes
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I disagree. Flyers are deep; the cost is definitely high, but I don't think it'll handicap them in the long run.
I was just trying to explain offer sheets to a bunch of friends in a bar who don't follow hockey. They were wondering why I had shit my pants.
Holy fuck Philly. If it's like 7.5M per year, this is kind of brilliant. I would give up two firsts, a 2nd and 3rd in a heartbeat for Weber.
Would Nashville match that?
Holy fuck Philly. If it's like 7.5M per year, this is kind of brilliant. I would give up two firsts, a 2nd and 3rd in a heartbeat for Weber.
Would Nashville match that?
Yeah so Dreger admitted, upwards of 100 doesn't automatically mean 4 firsts. Limit is 109/4 years or 7.8/year. Before it's 1st,2nd,3rd and then 1st, otherwise four 1sts.
Nashville will totally match that, they have more than enough Cap space anyway. They'll match anything, pretty sure.
Unhandled Exception
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Only way I've ever been able to explain it is by comparing it to poaching.
yankeehater
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I meant that the Flyers usually pick towards the back of the 1st since they make the playoffs most years. I didnt literally mean last pick.
Coldnoodle
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Contract's probably front loaded with hella bonuses.
ZeroGravity
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Likely because the kind of deal Weber wants (and just got) may not exist in the next CBA. It seemed likely that he would either sign with Nashville or be traded and signed by another team before the current CBA expires.
Okay yankee, let's do this. Usually takes prospects 3 years to develop, so let's go back 7 years and take your first round picks. This is what you will most likely miss:
2006 - Claude Giroux
2007 - James Vans Reimsdyck / Luke Schenn
2008 - Luca Sbisa / Chris Pronger
2009 - None / Chris Pronger
You take out a bad injury history with those players, would you give up Claude Giroux, Luke Schenn and Chris Pronger for Shea Weber?
Also LOL:
Kevin Bieksa ‏@kbieksa3
#Weber #offersheet @Ryan_Kesler Now that's an offer sheet Kes! Makes yours look like 2 three year olds bartering for the red lego...
EDIT - Looks like Dreger was wrong about 4 1st rounders, but I'll leave the above point stand as we were talking about how 4 1st rounders could bankrupt the team's future for a while.
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Dreger said confirmed 100+ Mio, the thing is, if it's 109Mio/14 years it's below the 7.8Mio/year threshold that seperates 1,1,2,3 and 1,1,1,1. So we just don't know at this point.
Also, someone mentioned if Nashville could accept and then trade: No, they can't. After matching an offer sheet, a team is not allowed to trade the player for a year.
This is what I was going to ask. If they match, what happens?
Edit: This move makes me think Philly wasn't all that interested in Bobby for some reason. If they went this hard for Weber then I think they would have done something similar for Bobby.
Well Calgary's problem is there are going to get beat up by an improved NW (VAN improved w/ Garrison, EDM improved w/ Yakupov and Schultz, and MIN improved w/ Parise and Suter)
But yes, good point. PHX and NSH would most likely not make the playoffs which is amazing because those teams are SO boring to watch.
No penalty AFAIK.
Unhandled Exception
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I thought Calgary's problem was loser points. Or was that their saving grace? Gotta catch 'em all.
Bad relationships with Nashville and general dislike? But yeah, no formal penalty, really.
EDIT:
:lololol
I still haven't decided if Garrison is in fact an upgrade. He's either a flash in the pan with one good season, or someone truly on the upswing in his career. I haven't seen him play, so I can't judge quite yet. Regardless, there's no doubt he picked the right year to have his only good season in the league.
You're right about MIN, they'd have to screw up royally to not make the playoffs next year and I'm still not sold on EDM yet.
Respect. Seriously, a lot of GMs think it's poor form to send out offer sheets on top guys. You hear GM's like Brian Burke talk about it a lot. That's why Steve Stamkos didn't have an offer sheet.
Before I confirmed this on Twitter, I thought the Weber offer sheet talk was another patented Eklund special. I have to give the Flyer brass credit: they will spare no expese to get the player they want. But honestly just :lol
I hope Nashville matches and Weber stays a Pred. It'd be good for the organisation to have a guy like that locked up forever.
I hope Nashville matches and Weber stays a Pred. It'd be good for the organisation to have a guy like that locked up forever.
Garrison has been really good for 2 years. Just offensively good for 1 year. Playing with Brian Campbell apparently helped a lot for his offensive game and now he'll playing with Alex Edler. He's a minute eater which is what we needed. He will give the other guys some breathing room, allow Bieksa/Hamhuis to focus more on just dealing with the top lines. Plus a booming shot like that is golden when you play PP with the Sedins who present too many fronts to be predictable so teams won't always be watching for that shot from the top from him as they also need to cover down low for the Sedins cycle.
Oh yeah, I don't think EDM will make the playoffs either, but it's more wins against teams like CGY though for EDM than last year.
FTFY
KernelPanic
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Maybe he did and just didn't sign it.
Holy shit, so glad we resigned Karlsson before Crazy Holmgren got any ideas.
I bet Preds match, 4 1st rounders from Philly will be shit.
Didn't know Shea Weber played goalie
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