Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Wait--he gets a $13 million signing bonus each year?
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Wait--he gets a $13 million signing bonus each year?
KernelPanic
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They're not helping their case and giving the PA more ammo though.
If he accepts he gets $13M now.
July 1st 2013 he gets another $13M
Preds couldn't trade him until next year(today at the earliest) so that's 2x$13M to pay out before they can trade him.
Nick Kypreos said:
https://twitter.com/RealKyper/statuses/225958315685982208
Kypreos thinks that the Predators won't match.
yankeehater
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Yes for each of the 1st 4 years.
The Flyers have their forwards always looking to break out and not helping the D as much. Their D couldnt push the Devils off the puck and they get killed in that series. They need more physical D men that can push guys off the puck without needing help from the forwards.
KernelPanic
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It's possible they work out a trade afterwards where Nashville trades some or all of the draft picks back to Philly for assets, I believe that's happened in the past.
yankeehater
Member
Doubt it. Flyers have a good GM/owner that will just sign the guys they really want to keep.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Wow. That's crazy. I can't believe I missed that the first time I saw that structure.
yankeehater
Member
Preds would have to pay him almost $60m in the first 4 years. It is a great contract for making it hard to match.
I think that is what is going to happen.
Doesn't matter, Flyers get screwed either way. Either they lose the player or they grossly overpay to keep him.
Same position Nashville is in right now.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
It really is a great move by the Flyers front office. I wish Holland would have done it.
yankeehater
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That is a possibility. I still have a hard time imagining teams giving bad contracts to guys just to get back at those evils Flyers. Has there been any targeting of guys with teams that OS other players?
Sarah Baicker said:
https://twitter.com/sbaickerCSN/statuses/226015332383469569
Weber's agent is talking to the media like Weber is already gone.
CrazedArabMan
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I think it was obvious that he wanted out once Suter was gone with his reaction to that whole mess, not to mention that it seemed like their was an exodus of players from Nashville at the start of the offseason, or at least the ones that were told they wouldn't be resigned.
CrazedArabMan
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All of these guys were supposed to go to Detroit! Noooo!
Detroit's having a Zetterberg doppelganger contest on their Facebook page. Grow out that beard, Crazed.
Haha, I guess that is our Red Wings excitement for this offseason.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
LOL
Inside sources also say the winner will be our 7th defenseman this year, too.
I highly doubt the owners give a fuck.
That would mean his 3 month summer vacation would have some work in it. Ewwwww
All of these guys were supposed to go to Detroit! Noooo!
Detroit's having a Zetterberg doppelganger contest on their Facebook page. Grow out that beard, Crazed.
Henrik Zetterberg is Benjamin Button?
KingHenrik30
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ANYBODY BUY ANYTHING FROM STEAM TODAY?!?
Nobody did it to the Flyers after Clarke signed Kesler to an offer sheet in 2006.
You excited for all that sweet blackhawks convention news bro. I wonder if they're going to oil Sheldon brookbank up and place him on a pedestal to pose like a Greek sculpture.
Lone_Prodigy
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Should've just traded Nash for Weber.
KingHenrik30
Member
Keslers still a flyer then?
KingHenrik30
Member
Would never had happened.
No, the Canucks matched. But it was a good move on Clarke's part, and there were no negative repercussions from it.
yankeehater
Member
So teams only seek revenge on teams that are successful in signing players, it is okay to OS a guy if his team matches it?
I heard they were going to bring back Sopel's House of Horrors. It was basically a tiny room with a picture of Brent Sopel and a lot of mirrors.
Lone_Prodigy
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Reminds me of when the Blues signed Steve Bernier to an offer sheet (after the Canucks had traded for him) and the Canucks matched, then sought revenge by offer-shetting Backes (which the Blues matched).
We all know who got the better player.
We all know who got the better player.
KingHenrik30
Member
Couver matched. It also wasnt an insane contract that would hurt a smaller market team. The 2 situations aren't similiar at all.
alexthekid
Member
I got 2 questions here:
1. Is there something with how offersheets work that made it impossible for Weber to ask for NMC/NTC after the first year? Otherwise Philly doesn't seem like the best team to commit for 14 years to.
2. How the fuck do these bonuses work? Aren't they countet against the cap at all? that seems ridiculous why even have salaries than? I kind of remember that the bonuses that Hawks players got when they won the Cup crippled them cap-wise after that?
1. Is there something with how offersheets work that made it impossible for Weber to ask for NMC/NTC after the first year? Otherwise Philly doesn't seem like the best team to commit for 14 years to.
2. How the fuck do these bonuses work? Aren't they countet against the cap at all? that seems ridiculous why even have salaries than? I kind of remember that the bonuses that Hawks players got when they won the Cup crippled them cap-wise after that?
In both cases the Flyers signed a player to an offer sheet, and then fans of other teams tried to make themselves feel better by imagining other GMs would start signing Flyers players to offer sheets as revenge.
Once he signs the offer sheet, that's the contract. You can't change it once it has gone into effect.
Bonuses are counted like normal salary and averaged into the cap hit.
KingHenrik30
Member
And if he goes to the flyers the situation won't be the same at all. So there's no frame of reference because the two aren't the same thing.
alexthekid
Member
But an offersheet contract can have a NTC clause just like any contract?
Makes sense with the bonus, thanks
yankeehater
Member
Has there ever been a case of a team signing a RFA away from their team and then the rest of the GMs doing revenge signings to them?
brucewaynegretzky
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I think the Flyers will be alright here. Homer typically starts extension contracts very early. G, Couts, and Schenn are all gonna get extensions before they hit the RFA market unless the agents INTEND to do that to the Flyers.
Overall I don't think this will severely hurt the Flyers. Poile and Homer have an excellent working relationship that is well documented. Homer talked to Poile beforehand and explained the situation, and the Preds are getting 4 first round picks if they don't match. On top of that Poile knew Weber wasn't likely to stay long term.
Overall, I think what Homer did is somewhat against the spirit of the CBA, but I really doubt he pissed anyone off that much. Other teams were offering trade deals for Weber. He knew that and Poile was certainly listening. Any of those teams had the same option when they realized what the market looked like in order to close everyone out. On top of all that Weber had to AGREE to the offer so he certainly isn't opposed to Philly and that's a consideration as well for all those teams who were gonna chase him as a UFA.
I don't believe so.
Edit: Actually they can. The Preds don't have to honor it if they match the offer sheet though.