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NHL Off-Season 2016 |OT| My prospects are better than yours

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Red_Man

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
Quick said:
I might just be on the verge of getting fired or replaced and relocated to a different area. I made a complaint about the person I've had to work with the past three weeks, and also managed to piss him off, and now I received an official warning email from my VP, this time with my boss and HR person also copied onto it. That pretty much means final warning.

Previously, my VP sent me a rules and conduct email, as I've detailed here before.

I've been spending my entire day applying to jobs. I'm angry and I know that I shouldn't let this job rattle me, but it's really done a number on me lately.

Can't wait to just play Life is Strange later.
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You seem pretty unhappy with it anyways, being removed might be a blessing in disguise. Having to go to a job you hate every day is the worst.
 
Q

Quick

Banned
Getting fired wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't rely on the reference too much. I have someone at the company willing to be my reference, but her and I haven't worked together for so long.

Not sure about how my boss is taking all this, and I'm not sure if that's a reference I can count on right now.

I can fall back to retail for now, but the money wouldn't be all that great.
 
C

Cake Boss

Banned
Quick said:
Getting fired wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't rely on the reference too much. I have someone at the company willing to be my reference, but her and I haven't worked together for so long.
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Don't worry about not working together for a long time, most people if you ask them would be happy to bullshit for you in order to help you get a job. I haven't met a person that would have said no to being a reference, most people would like to see you succeed and would help out a bit.

I'll be your reference too dawg.
 
Z

zroid

Banned
MORE TRADE$

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L

Lone_Prodigy

Member
For Kesler, the Canucks got Bonino, Sbisa, and McCann.

Bonino was traded with Clendening and a 2nd rounder for Sutter and a 3rd. That 2nd came from the Bieksa trade. Clendening came from the Forsling trade.

McCann was traded with a 2nd and 4th for Gudbranson and a 5th.

So, essentially, the Canucks traded:
Kesler
Bieksa
Forsling
Picks

And got:
Gudbranson
Sutter
Sbisa
Picks
 
D

Dubbedinenglish

Banned
Socreges said:
You wanted your 24 year old captain who you considered the top shutdown guy to make less than $4.5m per?
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Middle/bottom pairing dude who puts up ~10 points a year. 4.5 is a lot of money to tie up. Bjugstad is 4.1, Barkov 5.9. Smith, Ekblad, Trocheck, Huberdeau. ... Cap wise it's a tough fit for him.


CreeperBlocks said:
More Panthers stuff: According to The Score. They are going to offer Trocheck a 6 year deal
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Buenos. This is a dude who is a great investment.
 
C

calder

Member
I really want to say some mean things about the Marlies and how Marner is going to be a huge bust but I don't want to upset the delicate LeafsGAF-Erdrick detante so I'm stuck.


Oh wait, this will balance it out:

State of the Rebuild: Toronto Maple Leafs
Corey Pronman

After taking a brief recess in this series to publish a novella about the upcoming NHL draft, the State of the Rebuild series continues with the Toronto Maple Leafs, who finished 30th this past season, and will pick first overall at next month's draft.

Now, on to the Maple Leafs ...
How they got here - Maple Leafs, 2013-14 to 2015-16

Metric 2013-14 2014-15 2015-16
Farm system rank 23 17 2
Score-adjusted Corsi 42.9 (29th) 45.2 (27th) 50.5 (15th)
Core age 26 25 26
Standings points 84 (22nd) 68 (27th) 69 (30th)

Note: Farm system rank is Corey Pronman's organizational pipeline rankings. Core age is the average age of the club's top six players according to Hockey-Reference.com's "points shares" metric. Standings points and score-adjusted Corsi for percentages for 2015-16 are current as of the end of the season.

This section is more interesting than usual, because I'm not entirely convinced Toronto is in a full-out rebuild mode, and if they are, it's probably close to being over; if not, it will be once they make their first overall pick at the draft this summer.

Toronto ranked dead last in ESPN Insider Rob Vollman's luck calculator last season. They lost a lot of one-goal games, had a 7.6 shooting percentage as a team, and the worst PDO in the league (a metric that combines save and shooting percentages to serve as a proxy for puck luck). Some of their being last in luck rating was due to injuries, but for the most part, the Leafs were on the wrong end of fortune this season.

I took every team since 2010 team that finished between and 48.5-51.5 in score-adjusted Corsi for percentage, a range where Toronto fell this season, and finished in the bottom five in the standings, and looked at where they ended up in the following season. For these teams that were middle of the road in terms of puck control and scoring chances, they ended up finishing middle of the road in the standings the following season, jumping on average nine spots in the standings:

Hope For Toronto?
Team Season Finish Corsi Next season finish
TOR 2015-16 30 50.5% TBD
CAR 2014-15 26 51.0% 18
FLA 2013-14 29 49.0% 20
NYI 2013-14 26 48.7% 10
TOR 2011-12 26 48.6% 10
FLA 2010-11 28 49.5% 14
OTT 2010-11 26 49.0% 15
TOR 2009-10 29 51.8% 22
AVG 27 49.7% 16

Note that Toronto is notably unique as being a team that finished dead last while still having a score-adjusted Corsi over 50 percent.

Some may argue that even if the Leafs were better than their record suggests, trading guys like Dion Phaneuf hurt the team going into next season. But even after they traded (nearly) every veteran on the roster, the Leafs' score-adjusted Corsi for percentage actually saw a marginal uptick as they called up their bevy of quality prospects (from March 1 through the end of the season).

On the other hand, there were some negatives. The team ranked 25th in save percentage. There is a lack of star power on the team, with the highest-ranked skater in points shares (per hockey-reference.com) being 149th in the league (defenseman Morgan Rielly). While their team 7.6 shooting percentage was likely due to bad luck in some significant part, they were under 9.0 percent the season prior, and traded Phil Kessel who shoots a tad under 11.0 percent for his career. Talent is a factor in this being a sub-par scoring team, given the current group of players.

Strengths

From the point the Leafs traded Kessel last summer, this has been an organization going all-in on young talent; accordingly, their roster going into next fall will be bursting at the seams with players who still get asked for identification at drinking establishments.

The Leafs' farm team this past season, the Toronto Marlies, was among the most exciting and well-run AHL teams I've ever seen. The amount of resources the Leafs put into their AHL team by choice (and because they're one of the few organizations who can afford to do so) was greater than most of the league by a wide margin. This isn't just my opinion. NHL people I ran into at a Marlies game from an opposing team echoed that notion. William Nylander would have been a top candidate for the AHL MVP if he had played a full season, and they have other quality prospects who impressed, such as Kasperi Kapanen, Brendan Leipsic and Connor Brown, among others.

In the junior ranks, Mitch Marner was the OHL MVP of the regular season -- by technicality mind you, as London flipped a coin for their nominee (yes, really) -- and he earned the same recognition for the OHL postseason. Other players like Jeremy Bracco, Dmytro Timashov, Andrew Nielsen and Martins Dzierkals were among the CHL's top scorers, while Travis Demott was one of the best defensemen in the OHL.

Overall, their farm system is very deep in highly skilled forwards. Between their NHL club with young guys like Morgan Rielly and the rest of their system, they have a strong group of young defensemen in their organization as well.

Weaknesses

The most notable flaw in the Toronto organization is in net. They have a sub-par NHL starter in Jonathan Bernier, and lack a real top-flight goalie prospect in their farm system.

There are a lot of opinions on how to judge goaltenders. We discussed the complexities earlier this season. My weapon of choice is to not use a shot-quality adjusted metric -- I view them as mostly faulty -- and think the best thing to do is to look at three season even-strength save percentages, since studies show that's about how it long it takes for goalie's true talent level to show. When you look at this data (with a minimum 4,000 minutes), Bernier comes in at 22nd of 36 NHL goalies (thanks to David Johnson for providing this data).

That's not horrible, and despite a down season in 2015-16, Bernier is a competent NHL goaltender -- but a sub-par No. 1.

"They traded away the only No. 1 goalie in their system," said one NHL source, referring to James Reimer, who is now backing up Martin Jones with San Jose. Prospects Anthony Bibeau and Garret Sparks are fine, but odds are against them becoming top 15-20 goaltenders in the NHL, and neither would be in a top-10 goalie prospects ranking right now.

The path forward

Toronto's rebuild has a lot of positive signs going forward for it. Their farm system is very strong, their NHL team is not a complete tear-down roster. They have nice pieces like Nazem Kadri, James van Riemsdyk, Jake Gardiner and Rielly to build around. Obviously, they have star young prospects coming up like Marner and Nylander and whoever they pick first overall (which will probably be center Auston Matthews).

The rebuild seems to be going very well in terms of acquiring top young assets without having to sell every single breathing person on the team who can take a reliable NHL shift. However, for the same reason the draft in itself is a heavily luck-influenced process, top prospects panning out is also a heavily luck-based process.

That's not unique to this team. Whether it's Arizona, Buffalo, Columbus, Edmonton, Winnipeg or another rebuilding entity, they all share this risk. However, the risk increases when the major players you're relying on in prominent roles have yet to have one solid NHL campaign.

On the other hand, there is a light that is visible at the end of the tunnel for Toronto. The people running the organization are top of the line at every part of the front office, the their talent outside the NHL ranks -- particularly after this summer's draft -- will be an embarrassment of riches; there is a not insanely low chance Toronto could be a wild card seed in the playoffs next season.

There is another pathway where they don't reach that level. Maybe Nylander only has 30 points in his first full NHL season. Maybe Matthews (or Patrik Laine) has a rougher time adjusting to the NHL than one would imagine. Maybe the current Marlies roster doesn't produce two or three above-average NHL players next season. Maybe Bernier disappoints again.

Despite all the maybes, Toronto has built a foundation to not only end the rebuild, but possibly end the usage of that term among Leafs' fans for a lengthy period of time. This is a team that should be a perennial playoff contender in the near future.
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iLLmAtlc

Member
Who cares bout that guy. I have a conspiracy theory that he moves the needle too much to be perma'd. seems like almost every thread he makes turns hot and generates tons of views.
 
S

Socreges

Banned
Quick, I can be your reference for that time you worked as a Bids Specialist in West Victoria.

I don't understand your company. Or you within the company. The complaint you filed is against someone different from the person you were previously having problems with? What was the complaint for? Why did the VP get involved again? Why the hell isn't your boss dealing with any of this?
 
Y

Yawnier

Banned
calder said:
I really want to say some mean things about the Marlies and how Marner is going to be a huge bust but I don't want to upset the delicate LeafsGAF-Erdrick detante so I'm stuck.


Oh wait, this will balance it out:
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Thanks for linking this.

I agree with most things that he says here, tho a lot of it is pretty obvious to people that follow the team.
 
Q

Quick

Banned
Socreges said:
Quick, I can be your reference for that time you worked as a Bids Specialist in West Victoria.

I don't understand your company. Or you within the company. The complaint you filed is against someone different from the person you were previously having problems with? What was the complaint for? Why did the VP get involved again? Why the hell isn't your boss dealing with any of this?
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I worked out the problem with the other person, and we're good now.

This is someone I worked with for a week a few months ago, and he's back to work with me again since mid-May until next Tuesday. I had a ton of issues with him from before, but I figured it was a one-off. He's not with my company, just someone we work with from time to time. Since he's been back, it's been nothing but frustration.

One of my co-workers told me all about having to stay very late yesterday, and by coincidence, he called to follow up on how things are going. I asked him why he had staff stay late, and it ended up turning into an argument, and he ended the call by threatening to complain to my VP, which has been the constant threat to us anytime we didn't do what he wanted.

I sent my own complaint. VP sides with him, and my VP sent me an official warning.

My boss is basically MIA, stuck on another account. No email response unless it's a quick one.
 
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imBask

Banned
your workplace looks pretty damn toxic Quick, gtfo of there man

References are good and all, but generally speaking just flashing your experience is pretty damn good too
 
S

SCHUEY F1

Unconfirmed Member
Quick said:
I worked out the problem with the other person, and we're good now.

This is someone I worked with for a week a few months ago, and he's back to work with me again since mid-May until next Tuesday. I had a ton of issues with him from before, but I figured it was a one-off. He's not with my company, just someone we work with from time to time. Since he's been back, it's been nothing but frustration.

One of my co-workers told me all about having to stay very late yesterday, and by coincidence, he called to follow up on how things are going. I asked him why he had staff stay late, and it ended up turning into an argument, and he ended the call by threatening to complain to my VP, which has been the constant threat to us anytime we didn't do what he wanted.

I sent my own complaint. VP sides with him, and my VP sent me an official warning.

My boss is basically MIA, stuck on another account. No email response unless it's a quick one.
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What the fuck is wrong with some people.
 
Q

Quick

Banned
imbask said:
your workplace looks pretty damn toxic Quick, gtfo of there man

References are good and all, but generally speaking just flashing your experience is pretty damn good too
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I've been debating all day yesterday and today on just sending my two-weeks notice and taking my chances, but I also don't want to risk being unemployed for too long. Not that my experience isn't enough, I think.

And what's even worse is I've let this job rattle me when I really didn't think it could. I was shaky when I started last year, but since getting my feet wet, it's generally been smooth sailing. All this trouble really started up early this year and issues have been popping up more frequently that I end up getting burned for doing what I think is the right thing.

In my past employments, I've never been one to rock the boat or be a problem. This is really the first time I've had to deal with this stuff - office politics it seems.
 
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imBask

Banned
Socreges said:
The importance of references shouldn't be understated.

Neither should the ease to manufacture them.
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I guess it really depends on the line of work too, I don't expect anyone asking me for any references in web to be honest, experience and portfolio are waaaaaayyyyyyy more important to us than having your ex-boss write a bunch of bullshit about you
 
S

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
Q

Quick

Banned
Socreges said:
The importance of references shouldn't be understated.

Neither should the ease to manufacture them.
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I've already started looking into doing this with some of my friends, since they have worked with the company before. And I'm probably going to use that one reference I mentioned from the company already.

I'm also looking into the option of getting back with my old retail job while I hunt for a permanent position elsewhere - huge paycut, but they were good to me.

Opulent options.
 
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MetatronM

Unconfirmed Member
Dubbedinenglish said:
Not even get laid. 100 fucking K to be in the presence of a woman.
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My favorite part of that is the implication that $100k isn't enough to live for a year in Europe, as if he would be scrounging for crumbs off the jewel-encrusted streets just to survive like a filthy peasant, therefore he had to go to Thailand instead.
 
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Socreges

Banned
MetatronM said:
My favorite part of that is the implication that $100k isn't enough to live for a year in Europe, as if he would be scrounging for crumbs off the jewel-encrusted streets just to survive like a filthy peasant, therefore he had to go to Thailand instead.
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Not if you want to live O P U L E N T L Y
 
E

ElephantShell

Banned
MetatronM said:
My favorite part of that is the implication that $100k isn't enough to live for a year in Europe, as if he would be scrounging for crumbs off the jewel-encrusted streets just to survive like a filthy peasant, therefore he had to go to Thailand instead.
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High end baby food must be expensive in Europe.
 
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