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NHL Offseason mid Aug: World Cup, signings, HC Davos to whup ass, etc
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Crazymoogle
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Malakhov said:
As a number four defenseman? Probably not. As a #1 or 2? Sure. In the case of the Canucks, Aucoin was firmly established at #4, and was rightfully traded as a result.
Brodeur makes some good points, but for financial reasons this one won't happen. The Leafs in particular are a huge draw for most cities in the NHL, and I believe when they were sent back to the eastern conference some guidelines on how and where they play each season were established. Furthermore, while cutting interconference makes sense in the east, it does little or nothing for most of the west.
If the NHL and NHLPA really want to reduce fatigue, cut the number of games. Go 40 or 60. The NHLPA will hate the idea of dropping salaries but aside from that it's a valid way of doing things.
Playing the puck behind the boards isn't a matter of safety, and Brodeur bringing it up at all seems odd considering he liked the idea before. Let's face it, as Brodeur says if you can't expand the rink some changes need to be made elsewhere. I think one of them has to be either:
a. Goalie can't play the puck behind the boards, or:
b. Goalie is 100% fair game when leaving the crease.
The only thing worse than a goalie acting as a "sixth defenseman" is a goalie who is also untouchable while doing so.
Jealous? Like the man said - TO enjoys picking up everybody's leftovers, then selling 'em to the fans as the last piece to the puzzle. Keep handing out those ridiculous contracts left, right, and center - as long as the Leafs' fans stay dopey on that particular brand of Kool-Aid, their management has nothing to worry about. Hey, how about those jacked-up prices! Hope McCabe is worth it!DopeyFish said:
What I was referring to when I said "ridiculous" was that you'd compare McCabe favourably to the either Ohlund or Jovanovski. In fact, when it comes to defensive castoffs, the one I wish we had kept was Aucoin. It's a shame he and Crawford never saw eye to eye, he's done very well for himself in Long Island.
Mike Works
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Yeah, Aucoin's done great on the Island, but if we didn't trade him, we'd still be stuck with the goaltender of the future.
Mike Works
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SNAP OUT OF IT MANbishoptl said:Sportsnet had some NY Islander highlights on tonight while discussing the Aucoin deal...man, I miss hockey.
The World Cup will be here soon, as will NHL2K5 (ps get your ass to that thread, there's a discussion a transpirin'), and then the season will start.
Oh yes.
The season will start.
Mike Works
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well there's a shockerDeepthroat said:No Pavel Bure in World Cup
hey guys no Alexander Daigle in World Cup
Malakhov
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Maybe not for the goaltenders but tell that to the Ds who'll have to go behind the net and in the corners to get the pucks while a player like Bertuzzi is behind and charging at you for the puck, it's a disaster waiting to happen.Crazymoogle said:
Talk about it, I'm watching old games I have on tapes.bishoptl said:
I'm talking now, not when he was with the CanucksCrazymoogle said:
Oh good god, haha.DopeyFish said:
Aw man, team Canada is screwed!Mike Works said:
Mike Works
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Don't worry, TSN's reporting Pat Falloon will be his replacement, we still might win this thing yet!Malakhov said:Aw man, team Canada is screwed!
Malakhov
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Johnsson awarded 2.8 millions, another good deal from arbitration. I think it's pretty fair for a young top 2 D like Johnsson.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=94089
Sarich re-signed with the Bolts, NHLPA is showing a salary of $1.6M for 04-05, he made $1.15M last season.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=lightningsarich&prov=st&type=lgns
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=94089
Sarich re-signed with the Bolts, NHLPA is showing a salary of $1.6M for 04-05, he made $1.15M last season.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=lightningsarich&prov=st&type=lgns
Malakhov said:
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
Hey, are you not the one who called Bonk a good player? what?
That automatically discounts anything you say about a Leafs fan. Greekboy was born retarded. One day he'd be cheering for the washington capitals... then to say he's a leafs fan only to diss them. There's a difference between being a Leafs fan and a moronic asshat (cue Greekboy to chime in saying all Leafs fans are moronic asshats)
Anyways, whatever... at least the Leafs made it past the first round. The defence in 3 of the games absolutely abolished the senators. 1 win was purely Belfour. Leafs aren't good against Philly because of the size. If the Canucks were to face philly, not even Jovonoski's rush the goaltender or his arsenal of cheap tactics could have saved the team.
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Yeah, Leafs fans don't wear hats.DopeyFish said:
Hahaha, yeah, it was Toronto's meticulous defense that won that series, not Belfour.DopeyFish said:
The Canucks faced a team that made it to the Stanley Cup Finals, retard.DopeyFish said:
Crazymoogle
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Mike Works said:
And won the division title.
And in seconds, the remaining tatters of your hockey credibility disappear like Owen Nolan. You see, paying attention to other teams in the league besides your own will serve you well in discussions where hockey knowledge is a prerequisite - but lacking that same attention to detail will expose your rant for the fraudulent commentary it is. To wit:DopeyFish said:
- The Toronto roster at the beginning of last season's playoff run had twenty players weighing in at 200 lbs or more. The Flyers? TWELVE. And one of them was goaltender Sean Burke!
- Now, the Canucks roster before Bertuzzi's suspension (just before the playoffs) not only matched up on a size basis against Philadelphia, even after Bert got suspended and we brought in Sanderson, Rucinsky, and Bergevin, still matched up evenly with the Flyers. 13 Canuck players were at 200 lbs or higher, and 4 of those players were at 220 lbs or more, compared to 5 players on the Flyers at 220lbs+. Put Bertuzzi into the mix and it looks even better.
So, Mr. Fish, the quoted post above that the Canucks couldn't match up size-wise is proof positive of two things:
1. you're woefully ignorant of the facts
2. you're willfully ignorant of the facts (which is worse)
In short, open your eyes and do your damn homework.
Mike Works
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Whereas the Canucks lost to the Flames.beerbelly said:
The Flames, in turn, lost to the... oh, dang, who did they lose to again?
But I guess the Islanders are just as good as the Leafs because they lost to the Stanley Cup champs too.
Oh, and Pittsburgh was easily the second best team in the league, because they lost to the Lightning in the regular season.
Dopey, let me just say that your name is fitting. Every year is the Leafs' year, and every year they lose. Why? Because they keep resigning the same players over and over again. If this team hasn't won the cup in the 3 seasons they've been together, what makes you think that they'll suddenly accomplish it? It's time for the Leafs to do a restructuring and get some young and fresh legs on the team. It's the only way they'll have a chance to compete.
Oh, and mark my words, Leafs will never make it to the finals as long as Quinn is coach.
Oh, and mark my words, Leafs will never make it to the finals as long as Quinn is coach.
Mike Works said:
Did you not notice Toronto's defence on most of the games (not the first one mind you) were keeping a team like the Senators (one of the largest scoring threats in the league) to the outside? Sure, the Sens had more shots, but how many of them were good scoring chances?
Mike Works said:
lol. and the leafs faced a team that made it to this and to that! Calgary had to beat Vancouver to get there right? So you're saying that Canucks were a pushover in comparison to the flames?
bishoptl! ! ! The resident Canucks pimp said:
Flyers had 11, Leafs had 13 (excluding G)... big woop. You are taking direct comparison of body weight and/or height. lol. So by your reasoning let's say Ponikarovsky is 1" shorter than primeau but he weighs more, or heck Sundin who is taller and weighs more is put up against Keith Primeau. There is no player on the Leafs that can handle Primeau properly, regardless of height and/or size. Most of the Leafs team matches with the Flyers, but you're talking about 1 team who likes to hit against another team that doesn't. You have players like Mogilny, Francis, Nieuwendyk, Ponikarovsky, Kaberle, Klee, Renberg and the list goes on... stand any of those guys up against Brashear or Primeau or Handzus or (enter flyer name here) and you end up with one lopsided combination. If you can't understand that there's a difference between actually having size and using it... then I dunno about your hockey sense. More variables go into it then numbers on a sheet bish, you should know better.
bishoptl! ! ! First prime of bertuzzi! said:
How many could stand up against the Flyers though? Bertuzzi? May? after that the list absolutely plummets to earth. Sure there are some, like the Leafs that can hold their ground to a degree. But the Flyers are quite overpowering. You saw how TB got totally manhandled at points by Philly before they lost all their momentum.
bishoptl.....! the man with 3 arms! said:
So mr. Bish, I'm glad you like numbers so much
I don't think there's a coach in the league that would coach by numbers. It would be easy telling Mogilny to try to handle Danny Markov and get him out of the way in the offensive zone... since he is taller... and heavier.But... in the end it would be mogilny lying on his back. So mr. bish... if you can't tell the difference from finesse and physical play... i dunno what to tell you.
DopeyFish said:
Am I missing something here? When you're talking size (as you were) is there a different criteria I should be using INSTEAD of weight or height? You did mention the Leafs' lack of heart, however, so adding that into the mix is fair game thanks to you. We already knew that the Leafs were a group of shrinking violets, but it's nice to have you admit it. First dose of common sense you've displayed in this thread. Nothing more irritating than watching a team with superior size bitch out when it counts and not use it.
Again, your lack of research re: other teams in the league rears its ugly head. Even without Bertuzzi in the lineup, guys like Brookbank, Malik, Ohlund (enough to drive Iginla crazy in the first round), Bouck, Allen, and Linden gave as good as they got in the hits department all season. Just because your Maple Laughs are scared to hit doesn't mean that all Canadian teams are following them down that lonely road, thank God. Hell, even a smaller guy like Matt Cooke uses the body on a regular basis.
So yeah, homework and such.
Think of it like this. Philadelphia has the same weight, but their muscles are built (about half the players) in their upper muscles. So you might have more weight, but when the majority of your muscles are built in your legs and your thighs... when both of you skate the same speed into each other (at full flight) and you're both prepared to hit... inertia will hit you like a freight train.
plus there's the whole thing about having bigger bones and what not... either way...
philly vs vancouver = same as philly vs toronto
since both vancouver and toronto are fairly similar teams with just differences
plus there's the whole thing about having bigger bones and what not... either way...
philly vs vancouver = same as philly vs toronto
since both vancouver and toronto are fairly similar teams with just differences
wtf
where are you pulling this info from? Your ASS????
You mean to tell me that you not only know the training regimens of both the Leafs and Flyers...you also know each individual's musculature distribution? AND bone size? WHAT
where are you pulling this info from? Your ASS????
You mean to tell me that you not only know the training regimens of both the Leafs and Flyers...you also know each individual's musculature distribution? AND bone size? WHAT
Assuming your mystery source buried deep in the Flyers organization (your amazing talking ASS) is telling you the truth, so what? That's a red herring. You're either psychic or you're bullshitting, and due to your spot-on predictions on the Leafs' success last year, I'm inclined to lean toward the latter. Holy shit, I don't think I'll have a bigger belly laugh all week, and it's only Monday.
Hehe, I love this thread.
I have nothing to add, but I love the thought of inertia hitting me like a freight train. Sounds kinda like what happened to me yesterday while I was laying on the couch watching TV and my wife asked me to do the dishes. Inertia kicked the shit out of me there!
I have nothing to add, but I love the thought of inertia hitting me like a freight train. Sounds kinda like what happened to me yesterday while I was laying on the couch watching TV and my wife asked me to do the dishes. Inertia kicked the shit out of me there!
darscot said:
Very serious. This guy will only play vets, vets and more vets. This summer he said: "Maybe I should have played young Matt Stajan more in the playoffs."
Duh!!! You think? But Quinn went with the Viagra induced Ron Francis instead. Quinn is old school and the game has obviously passed him by.
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