cm osi
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where's my boy Caim outfit
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NieR: Automata |OT| "I wouldn't expect too much from this game if I were you."
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where's my boy Caim outfit
Dreams-Visions
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Yea.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Play it how ever you feel like playing it. You'll end up where you need to be.
Shift Breaker
Member
Geez.
Route C going all in already.
Route C going all in already.
From what I hear (still on Route A myself), the first can go from 10 to 25 hours, depending on how much side content you do, but everyone seems to agree that in 35~40 hours you can finish all of the routes.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
This game is totally the other side of the coin of FFXV.
Nier:A is probably what I was expecting FF to go, in terms of themes, wrting quality and good plot.
And when I finished XV the more I thought about the game the more dissapointed I was, with Nier:A the more I thought about it the more I like it and the more I think is definetly GOTY and possibly GOTG for me. Yes, I liked it more than Zelda.
Nier:A is probably what I was expecting FF to go, in terms of themes, wrting quality and good plot.
And when I finished XV the more I thought about the game the more dissapointed I was, with Nier:A the more I thought about it the more I like it and the more I think is definetly GOTY and possibly GOTG for me. Yes, I liked it more than Zelda.
I think you're giving Square-Enix way too much credit if you expected that from FFXV.
Be it Tabata + Itamuro or Nomura + Nojima, even though I think both teams can make great games, I would never expect a story/writing on the level of a Nier game from either of them, to be honest.
And I say this as someone who thinks KH II is one of the best games ever made, and I'm incredibly excited for KH III and FFVII Remake (GOTY 2038 and 2090).
Shift Breaker
Member
Ah, damn it Route C.
I forgot that when you die, you stay dead. I've been a bit reckless with saving recently. Thankfully I'd only done a few sidequests, but it's still a lesson learnt.
I dunno. I don't see Nier as a good replacement FF.
I do think FF should approach Nier style of writing in it's story (although talking solely about characters I'm not ashamed to think I enjoyed Noctis and the gang more than 2B and 9S so far, story is way better on Nier though that's for sure), while maybe approaching FF12 in terms of gameplay (both Nier:A and FF15 aren't that good at open world design IMO, and Nier is full on action and you can see how people dislike that on FFs).
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I think you're giving Square-Enix way too much credit if you expected that from FFXV.
Be it Tabata + Itamuro or Nomura + Nojima, even though I think both teams can make great games, I would never expect a story/writing on the level of a Nier game from either of them, to be honest.
And I say this as someone who thinks KH II is one of the best games ever made, and I'm incredibly excited for KH III and FFVII Remake (GOTY 2038 and 2090).
IS not that expected XV to be like Nier, more like I wanted FF, the series, to explore some of the themes Nier:A does. At least to some degree.
XV is a reflection how stalemate storytelling, themes and characters has become on the main series. Nier is a breath of fresh air in the genre(how many JRPG tackles philosophy as Nier:A does?), something that the series urgently need (or at least they should grab someone that could write).
Were are you? Because the dynamics between 2B and 9S ends way more powerful and meaningful than anything in the XV gang.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Can someone confirm for me what chapter/mission the EMP bots populate the ruined city?
Midway through Route B. My problem is that the cast isn't very likeable, especially 2B that is just plain boring. 9S is better though, and he makes 2B a lil more tolerable lol
FFXV story was absolutely shit and the secondary characters (Luna, etc) were bad beyond repair but I found the bros very likeable, even if their interactions between them weren't fleshed enough (probably less than Nier:A).
Yeah this is what I meant and what I really agree. Some nice themes in both Niers that should be explored more in RPGs (especially japanese ones). Even something minor like the (route B spoilers)
Simone backstory about how she tried to be pretty because that what she learned from humans and how useless it ended up being
the story of both Niers and their fall in their shared objective
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I'd say that the "companionship" in XV was really well done, even if ultimately it was a bit flat. Even so,I think 2B and 9S relationship ends more interesting, even if the banter is not as good as XV.
Your spoiler is even more interesting when you
realize that is based (or maybe a very liberal interpretation) on Simone de Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre relationship.
I have to say the open world stuff is starting to burn me out already.
I'm only in Route A still and just saw A2 but the side mission stuff is just not that rewarding and just kills the pacing (as always in open worlds these days). Have seen people say it gets god tier later but that's the olde FFXIII argument and still not a good thing imo.
I loved the demo as well. One of the big reasons was it wasn't open world and had great, well paced, set pieces and moments.
Going to give it another go now and just skip the side content. Seen folk say B is much better \ more of the same so we'll see how it goes.
I just wished it wasn't open world tbh. Far too many games just fall into the classic pitfalls of that design and it's all getting a bit too much (especially after playing Horizon, which just nailed it).
I'm only in Route A still and just saw A2 but the side mission stuff is just not that rewarding and just kills the pacing (as always in open worlds these days). Have seen people say it gets god tier later but that's the olde FFXIII argument and still not a good thing imo.
I loved the demo as well. One of the big reasons was it wasn't open world and had great, well paced, set pieces and moments.
Going to give it another go now and just skip the side content. Seen folk say B is much better \ more of the same so we'll see how it goes.
I just wished it wasn't open world tbh. Far too many games just fall into the classic pitfalls of that design and it's all getting a bit too much (especially after playing Horizon, which just nailed it).
show me your skeleton
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you'd miss the thematic point of the game.
Radical Edward
Member
Pretty much in the same boat
Radical Edward
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What? Horizon has way more boring fetch quests... I love HZD but it is full of shitty quests that add less to their respective world
swearing-circle
Member
Depends how into side quests you are. I only did a few here and there and completed all the story content in 26 hours.
There's a lot of content though if you take your time with it.
Radical Edward
Member
You will be ashamed of your words and deeds... There is a reason for it all.
Also, wait until you get the engine blade and a good slowdown chip. It becomes the ffxv you never knew you wanted.
I will say there was a part where I discovered something as 9S
because I made a point to reactivate the downed terminals immediately, but that something didn't happen until I played as A2.
I knew what had to happen when I got there as A2.
For me Horizon was better paced in how it managed side quests and main stuff mingled together. I found it was breadcrumbed better. That being said there was some moments later in the game where it was a bit much yeah. Certainly the best recent example of how to manage this stuff though imo (not played Zelda yet).
B route is a bit better, you'll able to skip most side quests so the plot will progress faster. B route's exclusive side quests are a tad more interesting too. The game doesn't really pick up steam until C, however.
For what I played, the characters interactions never get as good as Nier 1.
Radical Edward
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Yeah, i can agree that it was integrated pretty organically. Zelds's is done well too. I'm getting sick of open world games but somehow Automata felt more like a hub world. Like the first game or OoT. I got yakuza vibes too, since it was a smaller, more intimate area that I got attached to.
Few Japanese publishers put out their soundtracks digitally. So, no.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
This game does a lot of things in its open world I really appreciate
1) side quests that have you collecting items, will spawn enemies with guaranteed drops of them and mark them on the map. No bullshit RNG farming for quest drops. This makes the less well designed quests keep from being frustrating, and with only 60 side quests its easy to get through them all.
2) Upgrades arent horribly obtuse and require going out of your way for. By the time you beat the game you will easily max out 5-6 weapons just from drops during the game. If you are going for 100% by the time you finish most quests you will have well over half maxed. In order to 100% the game though you have to max all, so see point 3.
3) All but like 2 items show up at vendors by the end of the game. When maxing out all weapons, I had to do like 2 seconds of additional farming since Simple Gadgets dont show up at vendors, and I couldnt find somewhere to buy small gears. The game actually remained fun throughout the 100% run. (well near 100%, I didnt catch every fish, and im short 4 unit data.)
4) no map vomit. Exploration is still rewarded with hidden weapons, but you arent being led around by crap markers of unfun shit.
5) You move really quickly without having to require a mount, and there is no stamina meter. Even with the stumble mechanic, a quick tap of R2 and you are sprinting again.
1) side quests that have you collecting items, will spawn enemies with guaranteed drops of them and mark them on the map. No bullshit RNG farming for quest drops. This makes the less well designed quests keep from being frustrating, and with only 60 side quests its easy to get through them all.
2) Upgrades arent horribly obtuse and require going out of your way for. By the time you beat the game you will easily max out 5-6 weapons just from drops during the game. If you are going for 100% by the time you finish most quests you will have well over half maxed. In order to 100% the game though you have to max all, so see point 3.
3) All but like 2 items show up at vendors by the end of the game. When maxing out all weapons, I had to do like 2 seconds of additional farming since Simple Gadgets dont show up at vendors, and I couldnt find somewhere to buy small gears. The game actually remained fun throughout the 100% run. (well near 100%, I didnt catch every fish, and im short 4 unit data.)
4) no map vomit. Exploration is still rewarded with hidden weapons, but you arent being led around by crap markers of unfun shit.
5) You move really quickly without having to require a mount, and there is no stamina meter. Even with the stumble mechanic, a quick tap of R2 and you are sprinting again.
I actually loved the side quest in that game... Oh sure there is some bad one (like, i have no interest of doing a race with that flying machine) but it's like a lot all of them is set to have a tragic ending somehow, there is nearly always a "catch".
For a lot of reason i can't spoil, i think doing some side quest (maybe not ALL of them) make the player enjoye the game a lot more... Especially since the game is short, it makes 2B and 9S to interact more for starter.
But also
For those reason, i mostly loved how they handled the side quest content... And i was coming from Zelda who do it "better" in term of presentation and "content" (but of course less good in term of story) so i was already hard to please !
I really think this game is a masterpiece in story telling.
Oh, sometime you can see that marchant
going crazy in the map, when i finally managed to stop him, he could sell me a lot more crafting material than usual. Including Small Gears.
For a lot of reason i can't spoil, i think doing some side quest (maybe not ALL of them) make the player enjoye the game a lot more... Especially since the game is short, it makes 2B and 9S to interact more for starter.
But also
I screamed "THAT F*CKING PHILOSOPHER" when i recognized.... Jean Paul i think ? Because it was SURE this guy won't give Simone any attention. The fact he is a robot make it worst, he literally most likely isn't equiped to give Simone any attention... Which added to the tragedy. And then i thought that a lot of human would have had the same kind of interaction...
The android who forgot who killed her best friend, well everyone can suppose it was her.... And it was the case but this is how we learn about the special squadron of android "Exterminator" which 2B ended up to be. (Which explain why she screamed "It always happen" as she strangle 9S... And why she is so aloof with him)
Even something simple like "I want to see flowers" from Operator 60 that you end up killing in the bunker as she says "Thanks for the flowers"... So heartbreaking... There is also that Goliath who end up regretting what he has done and 2B suggesting that they are no better.
All those quest finish kinda badly... And a lot of those who seems to finish fine... Can also have a tragic turn with the main quest.
The android who forgot who killed her best friend, well everyone can suppose it was her.... And it was the case but this is how we learn about the special squadron of android "Exterminator" which 2B ended up to be. (Which explain why she screamed "It always happen" as she strangle 9S... And why she is so aloof with him)
Even something simple like "I want to see flowers" from Operator 60 that you end up killing in the bunker as she says "Thanks for the flowers"... So heartbreaking... There is also that Goliath who end up regretting what he has done and 2B suggesting that they are no better.
All those quest finish kinda badly... And a lot of those who seems to finish fine... Can also have a tragic turn with the main quest.
For those reason, i mostly loved how they handled the side quest content... And i was coming from Zelda who do it "better" in term of presentation and "content" (but of course less good in term of story) so i was already hard to please !
I really think this game is a masterpiece in story telling.
Oh, sometime you can see that marchant
Emil
killatopak
Gold Member
My game just crashed in the machine village.
It's outside.
My game just crashed in the machine village.
You were going to kill them all, weren't you? Dodged a bullet there.
I'm outside at the place the 11B body shows up in this video, but it's not here.
https://youtu.be/RR2Lh0QFkZE
Edit - I found it back near the start after going all the way to the end of the factory.
https://youtu.be/RR2Lh0QFkZE
Edit - I found it back near the start after going all the way to the end of the factory.
No, no. It's outside the factory. You remember the bridge where you fought the boss? It's there.
thequickandthedead
Member
Route C help
Is there any way to save before the bossfight in the second resource unit? Please don't tell me I have to do all those hacking minigames again just to be killed in two hits by the boss :/
you could do all the floors before going back outside and saving.
Finally, I got the all achievements. And oh wow, that was a very beautiful game. I haven't had this much fun since Metal Gear Rising!
This game will be remembered as one of the best games this generation
This game will be remembered as one of the best games this generation
YoRHa No.2 Type B
Banned
Guys, what's your favorite song of this game? (Not including songs from the original NieR, like Song of the Ancients, Kaine or Emil's songs.)
Mine's this Wretched Weaponry (Quiet - Vocals)
I take a wild guess and say you just bought them.
Mine's this Wretched Weaponry (Quiet - Vocals)
I take a wild guess and say you just bought them.
striferser
Huge Nickleback Fan
Route C
How the heck do you get this chest? Am I supposed to jump on that ledge from the stairs?
Continue past Factory:hangar savepoint. After the conveyor belt, keep climbing the spiral staircase until you see a gap. Jump down that gap and search around it to reach that chest. I think it's only middle recovery, so feel free to skip it. But, in the room after going down the gap is a hidden enemy that needed for certain side quest
100% weapon and pod upgrade. Only need to finish that *one* sidequest
Donniewahlberg
Banned
Awesome, I'm on Route C, nipped to get a drink while I booted up the game from the Ps4 main menu and just realised
. Small thing but very cool. I came back and was like wtf
(no explicit plot spoilers in the tags, just being mindful)
I haven't played the original game so wouldn't be surprised if this is a call back to that but I really love the song that plays
they even updated the intro trailer thing that plays after idle at the title screen
(no explicit plot spoilers in the tags, just being mindful)
I haven't played the original game so wouldn't be surprised if this is a call back to that but I really love the song that plays
at Kaine's shack? I think that's the name. The place Emil shows you with all the Lunar Tears.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Yes, you can tell a lot of love went into the production of this game. It's all the little things adding up.
NieR: Automata OST Amusement Park ( Quiet - No Vocals). It's so calm, and so peaceful.
No, not really. But it sure took me a lot of time ;-;I take a wild guess and say you just bought them.