Yeah I mean, the precedent is already there, so it wouldn't be too surprising if it was true. I love it, first game in a long while where I'm still getting a kick out of all these revelations, gameplay or story wise, after getting the main endings.
NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread
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Yeah I mean, the precedent is already there, so it wouldn't be too surprising if it was true. I love it, first game in a long while where I'm still getting a kick out of all these revelations, gameplay or story wise, after getting the main endings.
Dreams-Visions
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It just occurred to me. I still have yet to figure out how to get those hidden doors open. The ones that have the praying robots outside of them that blow themselves up after saying they can't open the door for you.
Something else to figure out I guess. Tragic, the idea of having to continue playing Nier Automata.
Something else to figure out I guess. Tragic, the idea of having to continue playing Nier Automata.
It just occurred to me. I still have yet to figure out how to get those hidden doors open. The ones that have the praying robots outside of them that blow themselves up after saying they can't open the door for you.
Something else to figure out I guess. Tragic, the idea of having to continue playing Nier Automata.
We all have yet to figure that out
Dreams-Visions
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Even uf they were open there's nothing on the other side.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
Nier Automata does a lot of open world design things extremely well as well.
I love that when a quest tasks you with collecting some shitty generic items, if you dont have them already (which you often do) it spawns enemies and marks them that are guaranteed drops of what you need.
The open world design never gets in the way of telling a flowing story
Levelling up your weapons is balanced to not feel like you have to go out of your way. In a normal playthrough without purposefully farming anything you will find enough materials to get 5-6 weapons to level 4. If you continue towards finishing all sidequests you will have well over half of them complete before you even have to consider specifically farming materials for them. Coming off of zelda this felt amazing, I hated having to go get rupees for great fairies then make a checklist of crap to go farm just to get my body armor from 8 defense to 12
Personal movement speed and traversal is extremely fast, making getting around never feel like a hassle. Only other open world game to make me feel this free to not be bothered by on foot movement capabilities was Saints Row 4.
Sure I know people can argue this game is more akin to older zeldas and maybe even soulsborne world design than actual open world, but fuck em, I'd rather see more ideas from this game utilized in open world games than stamina meters, survival mechanics, and spammed collectibles. Ubisoft has really jaded me when it comes to open worlds...
I love that when a quest tasks you with collecting some shitty generic items, if you dont have them already (which you often do) it spawns enemies and marks them that are guaranteed drops of what you need.
The open world design never gets in the way of telling a flowing story
Levelling up your weapons is balanced to not feel like you have to go out of your way. In a normal playthrough without purposefully farming anything you will find enough materials to get 5-6 weapons to level 4. If you continue towards finishing all sidequests you will have well over half of them complete before you even have to consider specifically farming materials for them. Coming off of zelda this felt amazing, I hated having to go get rupees for great fairies then make a checklist of crap to go farm just to get my body armor from 8 defense to 12
Personal movement speed and traversal is extremely fast, making getting around never feel like a hassle. Only other open world game to make me feel this free to not be bothered by on foot movement capabilities was Saints Row 4.
Sure I know people can argue this game is more akin to older zeldas and maybe even soulsborne world design than actual open world, but fuck em, I'd rather see more ideas from this game utilized in open world games than stamina meters, survival mechanics, and spammed collectibles. Ubisoft has really jaded me when it comes to open worlds...
Dreams-Visions
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I think mentioning Ubisoft and their recent "games" in this thread is blasphemy
Gai Murakumo
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I feel they may just be there to trolls us into thinking there is supposed to be content behind those doors, but there isn't at all. I can see Yoko Taro doing this.It just occurred to me. I still have yet to figure out how to get those hidden doors open. The ones that have the praying robots outside of them that blow themselves up after saying they can't open the door for you.
Something else to figure out I guess. Tragic, the idea of having to continue playing Nier Automata.
In all seriousness go look with the debug mode and they go to nowhere. People can't find anything about them digging through the game stuff so we're assuming they are DLC.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I'm curious with how the DLC will work, considering the whole save deletion thing.
It just occurred to me. I still have yet to figure out how to get those hidden doors open. The ones that have the praying robots outside of them that blow themselves up after saying they can't open the door for you.
Something else to figure out I guess. Tragic, the idea of having to continue playing Nier Automata.
Just forget they ever exist.
Pl-Please, I'll blow myself up so you can use my special parts!
Dreams-Visions
Member
thanks for the confirmation. I can see myself having obsessed over this. now I can take it off my mind entirely.
After reading a few plot explanations and hypothesis, I still have one really basic question: who created Project Yorha? Android or machines? In first instance I understood that android themselves created Project Yorha, but if this was the case, which android lifeforms take benefit out of this project? I mean, it is stated in the game than Yohra units are just lambs created just for the project to endure, and I don't think the Resistance group look like the mastermind behind this, but mere support to the Yohra units. So, is there a group of "illuminati" android running the whole thing that I'm unaware of?
It was just a group of androids. It doesn't matter who or where.
The machines had zero hand in YoRHa's creation.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I don't know if its some kind of android illuminati, but more like a high up group of androids that we dont really hear about. They created YoRHa as a way to perpetuate the lie that humans were on the moon. YoRHa was led to believe they were receiving orders from the council of humanity on the moon. The whole plan was to perpetuate the lie of humans on the moon so that all androids maintained the lie and kept their morale up and their reason to live. However YoRHa was purposefully sabotaged, because if the war was won in favor of the androids, they would learn that the humans werent on the moon as they would not return to earth when the war ended, so the entire design is built so that the war can never end.
Also whoever this group that created YoRHa is, Jackass is now hunting them
Nightengale
Member
Resistance existed long before YoHRa did. They're basically different factions altogether.
YoHRa, in many ways, is kind of like 'messenger angels' who suddenly appear out of nowhere.
They exist to propagate the lie that humanity still live on moon, and appear as a highly capable military counterforce against machines to support the rest of the Androids on Earth.
KO Traveling Hobo
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Until Taro says otherwise, my headcanon is that the war only continues if you kill Emil, since that information only appears on the weapons you get from doing so.
Thematically, my rationale is that the ending is deliberately open-ended, but killing one of the most tragic, selfless, long-suffering people in the entire universe just to get loot and completion % is so cynical that it reflects upon the world and its future. It's an indication that nothing has really changed, and things will continue to be terrible for everyone forever.
Like, in-universe, there is zero reason for the protagonists to steal from Emil and then murder him. It's completely unnecessary and cruel. The only reason we do it is because it can be done.
Awesome, thanks guys, everything starts to make sense now
So why does the Android illuminati want a perpetual never ending war? What's the purpose?
And how did they bring 2B's consciousness back? Didn't she die with no way to upload her consciousness?
And where are androids made? Will a new bunker and yorha project be made again? If so, wouldn't this new initiative target 2B, A2 and 9S first cuz they know the truth?
Quite amusing, though a bit unnecessary, as you could see all of that via the wireframe mesh vision that is accessible via the Debug Mode.
1. I mean, how would anyone even really know 'why' since we know next to nothing about them? But as with the machines, the war itself gives the androids a purpose. Without the war, they would be without a purpose. That would be a reason, though there could easily be more that we simply don't know about.
2. Virtuous Contract contained 2Bs memories. It was in the possession of A2, the prototype model on whom the E-types were largely based upon. The Pods could likely just form a base AI / OS from A2 and copy 2Bs memories from the sword.
3. Where were YoRHa made? Where was the Bunker made? The documentation available made it clear that the authority behind project YoRHa was fully prepared for the loss of material and personel that was involved in the end-game of the project. The minute details do not really matter as we never had them in the first place. Likely they wouldn't make another YoRHa and would instead repeat what they did before, drop a shitload of androids directly to the ground to fight the good fight. The need for the special forces from space has passed once the lie of the Council of Humanity is established.
To evolve and become closer to humanity. Her sword had her memories as well as the pods, Jackass explicitly says she wants to hunt down the android initiative that created Yorha
It be interesting if the people on PC manages to find more stuff via modding tbh.
Makes me wonder if we'll ever get all these questions answered before Taro decides to go open a restaurant of pure suffering.
After every meal he tears the menu up in front of you and shuts down the restaurant.
One other factor I thought of is If the machine war ends, there'd be no hiding that Humans were extinct and always were. I'd imagine that would have some huge effect on androids which is why the lie started to begin with
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Everyone needs a God worth dying for.
Machines are more afraid of life without purpose then defeat or victory.
The war is literally the only reason anyone is still doing anything. If the war stops, everything stops.
Given that all three of 2B, 9S and A2 should be dead and gone for good, I view Ending E more meta; that you defy fate because you and other players are willing to sacrifice your data to save them.
The impression I got was that the war is over now, with either the death or flight of the Machine network, but all of YoRHa is dead and gone with no way of returning
The war isn't over if the weapon stories are viewed as canon, seems another network starts appearing 500ish years later
it never ends....ShadowSoldier89
Member
The war has the potential to end now, the question is how will the groups handle it. Androids will learn that humans are extinct. Will they lose their will to live or find a new reason.
Machines now will no longer be beholden to the order of "Defeat the enemy" nor are they tied to the will of the network. They have the option of going off and forming their own society, much like Pascal did. However this runs the risk of more societies popping up with issues like the forest kingdom or the cult.
However, there's a sense of hope to everything at the end. Earth is their world now, and its unknown to us what they will do with it.
Jackass will probably fuck everything up though
Machines now will no longer be beholden to the order of "Defeat the enemy" nor are they tied to the will of the network. They have the option of going off and forming their own society, much like Pascal did. However this runs the risk of more societies popping up with issues like the forest kingdom or the cult.
However, there's a sense of hope to everything at the end. Earth is their world now, and its unknown to us what they will do with it.
Jackass will probably fuck everything up though
Yu Narukami
Member
Game finished. This game is the most clever game I have ever played. Didn't know Yoko's work until now and I regret it a little. I even own Drakengard 1 but dropped it after an hour. The guy is a twisted motherfucking psycho-genius.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
so, I should be able to get a signature from Cherami Liegh. Should I get my CE art book signed?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I think the most unique and powerful thing about Nier Automata that it adds to the robot soul canon is that there aren't any humans left in this universe. Usually you have the humans are gods thing and humans are still around but now its removed to be like this -
God > Humans > Machines
Where the first two are seemingly gone, and the machines end up deifying the humans in their own ways. Kind of like how in the Greek myths, humanity ended up emulating the Greek Pantheon flaws and all because its what they knew as a higher power, and the machines end up doing the same thing and emulating humanity's failures and bad points just because its there as a benchmark.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Don't forget "Machine on a break"; he's still around, completely oblivious to everything else that goes down in the amusement park.
BuckRobotron
Member
Seeing the Angry machine from the stamp quest just stand there was sad in a way as well. Hit him a couple times to see if he does anything and no, lost all of his angry mojo.
It kills me that even after ending E, Pascal's just the husk of his former self. I'm sure he'll get along fine with 2B and 9S again, but it's still pretty sad to think about. Plus a suffering Aoi Yuuki is never okay.
If you're up for some masochism i'd suggest you to go back to Drakengard 1 just to see how deep that rabbit hole can go.
Be warned, it's most likely one of the worst, frustrating and tedious games you'll ever play but the depressingly negativity the game got for it and the way the game puts it mechanically on the player is a one of a kind experience.
The party consists of a guy who enjoys slaughtering children, a girl who enjoys eating children, a guy who enjoys raping children, hitler and an actual child. And that's not even the worst thing in the game.
Then there also is this soundtrack i'm just gonna post without any further commentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke7FZz0DHQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABvMsCV10W4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2musgrIYUg
Either the Artbook or the steelbook, do iiit
darkwing-buck
Member
If you're up for some masochism i'd suggest you to go back to Drakengard 1 just to see how deep that rabbit hole can go.
Be warned, it's most likely one of the worst, frustrating and tedious games you'll ever play but the depressingly negativity the game got for it and the way the game puts it mechanically on the player is a one of a kind experience.
The party consists of a guy who enjoys slaughtering children, a girl who enjoys eating children, a guy who enjoys raping children, hitler and an actual child. And that's not even the worst thing in the game.
Then there also is this soundtrack i'm just gonna post without any further commentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke7FZz0DHQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABvMsCV10W4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2musgrIYUg
Either the Artbook or the steelbook, do iiit
Fuck dude this soundtrack is dope. It's like fantasy epic mixed with industrial sounds
That's how it was for me. This game did a very good job of keeping the player in the dark for the longest time.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Drakengard 1 soundtrack is the sound of sheer madness and bloodlust. The deeper you get into the game the more gruesome it gets, and the soundtrack becomes more warped.
This is one of the final levels in the game
This is one of the final levels in the game
darkwing-buck
Member
How bad is Drakengard's gameplay?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
like dynasty warriors 2 but worse and panzer dragoon but worse, deliberately made to be the most frustrating slog of a game ever
Whatever you expect, it's worse. I'm calling it masochism for a reason
I don't think that's true because I distinctly remember after the Adam fight as 2B I ran around collecting android bodies for their chips, which I didn't see replicated when I played as 9S.What the fuck, I just read that your 1st playthrough movements as 2B get replicated when you play as 9S. Like when you're running to 9S after the Adam fight. Or the Eve fight when your NFCS shuts down.
If true, that is insanely cool. I should try running around in circles as 2B then replaying as 9S