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[Kenka]

good job

Yay !

 

[cw_sasuke]

so guys - anything new on battery life ?

 

[UncleSporky]

I'm reading a lot that the 3D effect in most games is only depth. Which games exactly show things popping out of the screen?

So far I've heard reports that Monkey Ball and Nintendogs pop out, I think there were a couple other ones too.

It's not really that huge of a feature, not like it's difficult to do or anything, devs are just finding it more effective to show things happening past the screen rather than floating in front of it.

I mean, imagine a 3D platformer with some of the foreground coming out of the system, that would just be weird.

so guys - anything new on battery life ?

We ought to be getting reports in 8 to 10 hours.

 

[plagiarize]

I'm reading a lot that the 3D effect in most games is only depth. Which games exactly show things popping out of the screen?

i understand monkey ball has a lot of pop out.

 

[[Nintex]]

Or, if some stupid developer makes a 3D effect that makes your eyes puke.

Somewhere out there an underpaid employee of Ubisoft is sitting at his second hand desk and smiling.

 

[plagiarize]

So far I've heard reports that Monkey Ball and Nintendogs pop out, I think there were a couple other ones too.

It's not really that huge of a feature, not like it's difficult to do or anything, devs are just finding it more effective to show things happening past the screen rather than floating in front of it.

I mean, imagine a 3D platformer with some of the foreground coming out of the system, that would just be weird.



We ought to be getting reports in 8 to 10 hours.

nah it'd be cool. imagine something like link to the past where screen depth was the dungeon floor and all the monsters and characters popped up out of the screen slightly. that'd be cool i think.

 

[heringer]

I remember reading that Star Fox 3D had things popping out of the screen too. It's probably my most anticipated 3DS game this year, actually. 3D is just so perfect for that style.

 

[UncleSporky]

nah it'd be cool. imagine something like link to the past where screen depth was the dungeon floor and all the monsters and characters popped up out of the screen slightly. that'd be cool i think.

Well I'm just thinking, how does that work? The screen is only so big, so in a game like Wind Waker you would see a thinner amount of ground sticking towards you the closer it gets. Kind of. Like if you could turn the system and actually see the ground popping out towards you, it might look like this:

 

[Cheesemeister]

Well I'm just thinking, how does that work? The screen is only so big, so you would see a thinner amount of ground sticking towards you the closer it gets. Kind of. Like if you could turn the system and actually see the ground popping out towards you, it might look like this:

No, the screen doesn't project anything like a hologram. You won't ever see any 3D imagery outside of the frame of the screen.

 

[UncleSporky]

But you do, though. That's what the "pop out" that people are describing is. Of course you can't tilt the system and see stuff floating in front of it, but from the one specific 3D viewing angle you can make it look as if something is floating in front of the screen.

For example, Nintendogs put their paws up on the edge of the screen and look as if they're coming out of it.

 

[Father_Brain]

Minor question about the depth slider: does it snap into and out of the off position? That would make sense, since "on" and "off" are the only hardware-level 3D settings. (For those not aware, the depth adjustment is a strictly software-level setting, and only shifts the distance between the two in-game cameras.)

 

[VOOK]

Minor question about the depth slider: does it snap into and out of the off position? That would make sense, since "on" and "off" are the only hardware-level 3D settings.

Hmm shit I can't remember... I think there was a little snap to it but nothing major...

 

[Cheesemeister]

But you do, though. That's what the "pop out" that people are describing is. Of course you can't tilt the system and see stuff floating in front of it, but from the one specific 3D viewing angle you can make it look as if something is floating in front of the screen.

For example, Nintendogs put their paws up on the edge of the screen and look as if they're coming out of it.

You might see objects that appear to be between you and the screen in the Z direction, but you won't see anything reach outside of the screen's frame in the X or Y direction. You're describing objects floating above the bottom panel. That's not what this screen does.

All this screen does is aim the light from each of two images in different directions so that each of your eyes sees the appropriate image. Has anything ever reached out of your TV or monitor to walk around like Sadako?

Minor question about the depth slider: does it snap into and out of the off position? That would make sense, since "on" and "off" are the only hardware-level 3D settings. (For those not aware, the depth adjustment is a strictly software-level setting, and only shifts the distance between the two in-game cameras.)

There's no snap or click, but there is an indicator light for when 3D is on. It's shaped in the letters "3D".

 

[plagiarize]

Well I'm just thinking, how does that work? The screen is only so big, so in a game like Wind Waker you would see a thinner amount of ground sticking towards you the closer it gets. Kind of. Like if you could turn the system and actually see the ground popping out towards you, it might look like this:

your diagram is correct, but i'm talking about something top down like lttp.you'd have to have a slight border around it, but i'm only talking about something that'd stick out a bit.

but if you think about how much of old zelda games is a border that shows the walls anyway, we're probably talking about giving up no more playing area than before.

Has anything ever reached out of your TV or monitor to walk around like Sadako?

i don't like to talk about it.

 

[UncleSporky]

You might see objects that appear to be between you and the screen in the Z direction, but you won't see anything reach outside of the screen's frame in the X or Y direction. You're describing objects floating above the bottom panel. That's not what this screen does.

All this screen does is aim the light from each of two images in different directions so that each of your eyes sees the appropriate image. Has anything ever reached out of your TV or monitor to walk around like Sadako?

This is what I was trying to explain and is the fundamental problem with "pop out" in a polygonal 3D action game. You can't see anything projected outside the frame of the screen, so there's a limit to how far objects can "pop out." If you tried to render ground coming toward the player, it would appear to be getting thinner as it came out further, due to the limits of the screen size.

your diagram is correct, but i'm talking about something top down like lttp.you'd have to have a slight border around it, but i'm only talking about something that'd stick out a bit.

but if you think about how much of old zelda games is a border that shows the walls anyway, we're probably talking about giving up no more playing area than before.

You're right, a top down view would look amazing. Mainly I meant that since many games involve a 3D polygonal world, any pop out that the ground does would look awkward, so it's of limited utility outside of nifty things like model viewers (a car or trophy viewer that looks like a tiny model hovering in front of you!).

 

[Kinspiracy]

I want to want it, but this has to be the most uninspired, underwhelming launch I've ever experienced. And I was around for the 3DO. After I saw the launch list, I was counting on the GB and GBC games on the store to hold my interest, and now we dont even have that. Surprise me, Nintendo, and airlift a bunch of your quality titles on us. I want to love you. I think my own personal answer to what I think is a terrible launch is Pokemon Black and Ghost Trick on my DSiXL.

 

[UncleSporky]

I want to want it, but this has to be the most uninspired, underwhelming launch I've ever experienced. And I was around for the 3DO. After I saw the launch list, I was counting on the GB and GBC games on the store to hold my interest, and now we dont even have that. Surprise me, Nintendo, and airlift a bunch of your quality titles on us. I want to love you. I think my own personal answer to what I think is a terrible launch is Pokemon Black and Ghost Trick on my DSiXL.

So you missed out on experiencing the PS2, GC, XBox, 360, PS3, Wii and DS launches then? Care to elaborate on how they were better?

 

[Cheesemeister]

This is what I was trying to explain and is the fundamental problem with "pop out" in a polygonal 3D action game. You can't see anything projected outside the frame of the screen, so there's a limit to how far objects can "pop out." If you tried to render ground coming toward the player, it would appear to be getting thinner as it came out further, due to the limits of the screen size.

Pop-out is a problem when the camera gets too close to some surface like the ground, a wall, or a fence. If not implemented properly, it'll seem like it's poking you right in the eye. That would be a bug, which was present on DOA at Nintendo World last month.

If done subtly, it may be engaging, but all too often it's used gratuitously and causes the viewer to have to strain their eyes in order to focus on an object perceived to be between them and the screen. If the eye muscles can't keep up, it results in double vision. This is often the case with 3D attractions in amusement parks.

 

[DeathMonkey]

So you missed out on experiencing the PS2, GC, XBox, 360, PS3, Wii and DS launches then? Care to elaborate on how they were better?

I think there are three consoles that had great titles at launch:
Wii - Wii Sports
N64 - Mario 64
GameBoy - Tetris

As for having a number of games at launch that were worth getting? I can't think of any system that had that.

-Scott-

 

[plagiarize]

This is what I was trying to explain and is the fundamental problem with "pop out" in a polygonal 3D action game. You can't see anything projected outside the frame of the screen, so there's a limit to how far objects can "pop out." If you tried to render ground coming toward the player, it would appear to be getting thinner as it came out further, due to the limits of the screen size.


You're right, a top down view would look amazing. Mainly I meant that since many games involve a 3D polygonal world, any pop out that the ground does would look awkward, so it's of limited utility outside of nifty things like model viewers (a car or trophy viewer that looks like a tiny model hovering in front of you!).

yeah, popping out ground would look weird in a 3rd person kind of perspective. you could probably get away with SOME pop out where the camera is higher up (like an FPS or any game where you can't see your feet) but you'd want to avoid the ground doing it. a starfox shooter in space could have your ship in front of the screen.

generally i'm sure it'll just be used for certain effects, rather than all the time. magic spells, moments in cut scenes and what have you.

Pop-out is a problem when the camera gets too close to some surface like the ground, a wall, or a fence. If not implemented properly, it'll seem like it's poking you right in the eye. That would be a bug, which was present on DOA at Nintendo World last month.

If done subtly, it may be engaging, but all too often it's used gratuitously and causes the viewer to have to strain their eyes in order to focus on an object perceived to be between them and the screen. If the eye muscles can't keep up, it results in double vision. This is often the case with 3D attractions in amusement parks.

yeah agreed. sometimes something can even appear to go through your eye and behind you, which really screws you up. there's no real excuse for that on a standardised screen though.

pop out is great for subtle stuff. i'm sure tonnes of menus will pop out a bit, for example. hell, one of my favourite pop out effects is the motorstorm logo when you're loading a game in 3D. it comes off your TV screen in and out just a bit. that you can detect that kind of subtle change in depth impresses me more than BANANA ALL OVER YOUR FACE.

though i probably will end up getting monkey ball if i hear the right things about it.

 

[Cow Mengde]

So when can we expect 3D erected penis pictures?

 

[Kinspiracy]

So you missed out on experiencing the PS2, GC, XBox, 360, PS3, Wii and DS launches then? Care to elaborate on how they were better?

Xbox I bought at launch and loved Halo. Still do. GC didn't buy. PS3 didnt buy at launch. 360 I believe had Kameo and PGR3 and Xbox Live Arcade had Geometry Wars, which I enjoyed. Wii never interested me, but I'd take Wii Sports and Zelda over anything the 3DS is launching with. DS launch ranks up there as one of the worst for me simply because I hated the design of the hardware so much, but I did enjoy Zoo Keeper and Mario. The only game that remotely interests me at the 3DS launch is Street Fighter, but why would I pay 40 bucks for a game that I can get an HD version of for 14.99?

And don't get upset or offended. I'm not saying its the worst thing ever. If you enjoy one or any of those games, you'll obviously feel different. For me personally, I'm very close to canceling my pre-order and just sticking with my XL for 6 months or so. All the great games continually coming out for the handhelds and consoles I currently own kind of highlight how bad the launch list is. Nothing more. Nothing less. No agenda.

 

[Vinci]

So when can we expect 3D erected penis pictures?

Another hour or so.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

So when can we expect 3D erected penis pictures?

-_-

 

[Kuran]

I love how some people argue my hardware design issues by stating that Iwata explained the reasoning behind it in a chapter of Iwata Asks. What the hell? I'm sure they could've released a charming interview at the time of the original DS launch which could convince some people that that design was good too.

 

[The Hermit]

Love the 3D effect so far. It is not jaw-droppingly good yet for the little I have experienced with Layton, but it has me wonder how am I ever going to go back to 2D.

You turn down the 3D-volume slider to the lowest level.

 

[plagiarize]

I love how some people argue my hardware design issues by stating that Iwata explained the reasoning behind it in a chapter of Iwata Asks. What the hell? I'm sure they could've released a charming interview at the time of the original DS launch which could convince some people that that design was good too.

ugly as the original DS was, it had a better hinge than the lite. given what happened with hinges on the lite, i'd rather they sacrificed aesthetics for strength.

 

[Mailenstein]

I think there are three consoles that had great titles at launch:
Wii - Wii Sports
N64 - Mario 64
GameBoy - Tetris

As for having a number of games at launch that were worth getting? I can't think of any system that had that.

-Scott-

The Nintendo 64 had a funny launch lineup in Japan back then. It was Super Mario 64, Pilotwings 64 and Saikyou Habu Shogi. And right after that - nothing. Until Wave Race 64 came around. Such a small lineup, but yet so good. Funny to me.

 

[UncleSporky]

Xbox I bought at launch and loved Halo. Still do. GC didn't buy. PS3 didnt buy at launch. 360 I believe had Kameo and PGR3 and Xbox Live Arcade had Geometry Wars, which I enjoyed. Wii never interested me, but I'd take Wii Sports and Zelda over anything the 3DS is launching with. DS launch ranks up there as one of the worst for me simply because I hated the design of the hardware so much, but I did enjoy Zoo Keeper and Mario. The only game that remotely interests me at the 3DS launch is Street Fighter, but why would I pay 40 bucks for a game that I can get an HD version of for 14.99?

And don't get upset or offended. I'm not saying its the worst thing ever. If you enjoy one or any of those games, you'll obviously feel different. For me personally, I'm very close to canceling my pre-order and just sticking with my XL for 6 months or so. All the great games continually coming out for the handhelds and consoles I currently own kind of highlight how bad the launch list is. Nothing more. Nothing less. No agenda.

I'm not offended, just incredulous. At least you explained that a system doesn't count for you personally if you don't buy it, that would be why you don't consider the PS2 or Cube as worse launches.

I also think it's odd that you consider Wii Sports a good launch but not a set of AR games, Face Raiders, a Mii RPG, software for photo and sound editing, etc. It comes with a lot of stuff built-in, in addition to the at least decent selection of games available at launch.

So you're pretty confident that there's nothing you could buy for 3DS at launch and be able to say years later that you enjoyed it?

 

[Kinspiracy]

I'm not offended, just incredulous. At least you explained that a system doesn't count for you personally if you don't buy it, that would be why you don't consider the PS2 or Cube as worse launches.

I also think it's odd that you consider Wii Sports a good launch but not a set of AR games, Face Raiders, a Mii RPG, software for photo and sound editing, etc. It comes with a lot of stuff built-in, in addition to the at least decent selection of games available at launch.

So you're pretty confident that there's nothing you could buy for 3DS at launch and be able to say years later that you enjoyed it and still do?

Yes, the 3DS, much like my DSi, comes with a lot of crap I'd never be interested in using. If I want to edit wacky photos, I'll do it on my PC/Mac. I buy my gaming handhelds to play games. I bought a Cube, just not at launch. School was taking precedence. And PS2's launch was better for me than the 3DS. We can agree to disagree about the quality of AR gimmicks and Face Raiders. They hold zero interest for me. My gaming time is limited, so I'd rather play Ghost Trick or Pokemon Black than that stuff. Just me. I'm sure I'll persevere just fine playing one of my many other options until Nintendo hits us with the good stuff.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I love how some people argue my hardware design issues by stating that Iwata explained the reasoning behind it in a chapter of Iwata Asks. What the hell? I'm sure they could've released a charming interview at the time of the original DS launch which could convince some people that that design was good too.

well thanks for clearing the whole issue for us, next time we want to know why Nintendo did something we will look to you. blah

 

[Cosmonaut X]

I love how some people argue my hardware design issues by stating that Iwata explained the reasoning behind it in a chapter of Iwata Asks. What the hell? I'm sure they could've released a charming interview at the time of the original DS launch which could convince some people that that design was good too.

No, what I said was that your comment about them being so arrogant that they didn't feel the need to make any design changes etc. wasn't borne out by the interview with design staff where they specifically discussed what changes they made, the challenges they faced in differentiating the system from the DS line, in spite of the need to keep certain key elements, and the reasoning behind certain design decisions (the stacked-cake layers etc.).

I didn't say that the interview convinced me that the design was good - although I do think that the 3DS is an attractive little machine, with a few quirky design choices - just that it ran counter to your hyperbole about them being arrogant and inflicting a barely-altered design on customers.

As I said - just because you don't like the design doesn't mean that no thought was put into it, or that there aren't very good reasons for certain elements of the design that you dislike.

 

[neo2046]

3DS music visualizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwqnb9RLwYI

 

[imthemaid]

3DS music visualizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwqnb9RLwYI

sugoi!

rhythm tengoku, excitebike... very cool.

 

[From The Dust]

3DS music visualizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwqnb9RLwYI

oh shit, that flying visualizer must look bitchin in 3D. GAH GIVE ME STAR FOX YOU BASTARDS!

 

[wonderfuldays]

3DS music visualizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwqnb9RLwYI

Wow never expect that! Great~

 

[Smiles and Cries]

3DS music visualizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwqnb9RLwYI

do want

 

[From The Dust]

Wow never expect that! Great~

the DSi has some of the same visualizers actually (the flying one I think, and Excitebike along with the standard ones)

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

3DS music visualizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwqnb9RLwYI

YAY RANDOM PHOTOS ON THE TOP SCREEN!!!!!!!!!!

I hope there's an option to have that in the main 3DS menu. That was my favourite thing about the DSi menu. I have a ton of hilarious photos on my DSi and I love seeing a random photo appear each time I turn it on.

 

[UncleSporky]

Sad for all the ones that are gone from the DSi, like the chicks in eggshells, the cards, Mario collecting coins, etc.

 

[Caesar III]

the DSi has some of the same visualizers actually (the flying one I think, and Excitebike along with the standard ones)

noone saw them often yet cause of the lack of mp3 support though

 

[Bizzyb]

3DS music visualizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwqnb9RLwYI

I REALLY want to click that link but I just want to be completely surprised at all of the new software and IOS stuff for when I open and play day one. I have already seen too much.

 

[Boney]

3DS music visualizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwqnb9RLwYI

sugoiiiiiii

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I REALLY want to click that link but I just want to be completely surprised at all of the new software and IOS stuff for when I open and play day one. I have already seen too much.

heh eh first I've seen hardware spoiler blackouts

 

[From The Dust]

noone saw them often yet cause of the lack of mp3 support though

oh yea. I remember I had problems trying to convert to the right AAC format to to test it out.

 

[UncleSporky]

Converting to put music on DSi is really easy, just open up iTunes and hit "create AAC version."

I have some Daft Punk and a bunch of random 80s music on mine.

 

[From The Dust]

Converting to put music on DSi is really easy, just open up iTunes and hit "create AAC version."

I have some Daft Punk and a bunch of random 80s music on mine.

this was before I got an Ipod. I have one now, so I don't need my DSi for music (even more ironic that my DSi wont turn on)

 

[friskykillface]

wow dat music , im so jealous , I want it today , *flies to Japan


wait, is Pilotwings not coming out for Japan today? We could have found out if there are more then 3 vehicles and another location.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

Which came at the cost of more hard drive space being used, possible quality loss and overall tedious as well. Thanks to it being AAC only, I only used it twice and didn't bother with it again.

Luckily, this baby has MP3 support, although I'm not sure how much use it'll get when one has an iPod Touch, but whatevs.

 

[EVH]

Guys, the new warning pics are here:

Also, a bunch of 3DS manuals from the nintendo japan site:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/02/26/3ds_manuals/