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Nintendo 3DS Japanese Launch Thread
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Stephen Colbert
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DeathNote said:
New nub looks way better
I think you mean to say, the old nub looks way better, even in the out of focus crop you chose to use. The new nub looks godawful.
The natural color of rubber is yellow. They mix paint into it to get it to be whichever color they want it to be. White paint to get it to be white as pictured on the right, and blue paint to be get it to be blue. What color they use has no bearing on it's structural integrity.
Unless there was a mix up, you have no taste.
Now this man...
nullset2 said:
he has taste.
I mean how is it even up for debate. This looks sexy as fuck...
FINALFANTASYDOG
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Teknoman said:
Since you brought up casual Itouch games!
Puzzle Bubble 3d is amazing, Taito Literally just released a verison of puzzle bubble on iphone at the start of the month, that has more modes, for 4600 yen less. Yes Puzzle Bubble 3d includes a 4600 yen 3D tax. I love famitsu's cover story article on the 3ds, it showedcase all the aspects of 3ds that each game took advantage off, the only thing that got marked off on Puzzle bubble was 3D VISUALS.
Stephen Colbert
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Mutagenic said:
I agree with you there. I am glad they made it smaller.
But I maintain that color has absolutely nothing to do with how functional it is, the size, shape and texture does. None of those factors preclude colored nubs.
If someone with a 3DS can look into how easy it might be to replace the nub with a third party one, I would be much obliged.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Mutagenic said:
This.
Dreamwriter
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Material makes the most difference in usability, and that's why it's white - because Nintendo's hardware and software developers (and most of us GAFFers) want their games to play the best they possibly can. I don't think anybody here would care if the slidepad (it's not a "nub", it's quite a bit larger than anything you could call a nub, with full motion) was pink with a "Hello Kitty" on the center, as long as that functioned the best.Stephen Colbert said:
Stephen Colbert
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Dreamwriter said:
The first part is true, but how does that have anything to do with it being white. Are you telling me it was impossible for Nintendo to get a hold of rubber that has blue paint mixed into it rather than rubber that had white paint mixed into it?
Dreamwriter said:
And I think you're wrong. Plenty care. I care, nullset2 cares, I would guess just about everyone would prefer a system that both looks and plays well over a system that plays well but looks hideous.
Plenty of people have already complained about the ugly third tone that makes up the bottom part of the blue 3DS (the baby blue) for really no good reason at all, than from what I can tell, just for the sake of being an eyesore.
Dreamwriter said:
I don't think he's arguing for diminished functionality, but he prefers the nub to be colored with the new material used (ie. improved functionality, but still colored to match the system's color). I can't say I disagree with him, really; the plain nub just looks like something thrown onto the thing when the original nub fell off or something. Functional, yes, but certainly not in line with the system's design.
MidnightScott
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I'll weigh in the options to import one via CVX someday. I wonder why Japan is so afraid of mailing Li-on batteries?
Dreamwriter
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You actually think most people here would prefer Nintendo use a controller that doesn't control as well as it could, just so it looks better? That people would sacrifice playability for looks, on a part that you NEVER look at while using?Stephen Colbert said:
Stephen Colbert
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big_z said:
Yes, but how much cheaper, I would guess in the range of .02 cents cheaper.
And I would guess that it costs Nintendo .10 cents more to make the bottom part of the console a ugly baby blue that clashes with the rest of the 3DS.
So how about a trade Nintendo, make the bottom part of the 3DS the same color as the rest of the system, and use some of those savings to mix some blue paint into the rubber you use to make the slidepad. You still come out .08 cents ahead!
So, I don't know if there are courses unlocked later, but in two player mode, there were 16 courses selectable. If that is all there is in the game, super disappointed. Maybe only one of them is actually new, and other ones are brought in from other games or touched up a bit.
Stephen Colbert
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Dreamwriter said:
Uhh... can you not read.
Stephen Colbert said:
The natural color of rubber is yellow. They mix paint into it to get it to be whichever color they want it to be.
Whether they mix white paint into the slidepad's rubber or blue paint has absolutely no bearing on how well the slidepad controls.
Your strawman sir, I disrobe it and set it on fire. There it goes... up in smoke.
Dreamwriter
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I was responding to where you said I was wrong when I said that most GAFfers would prefer the controller played as well as it could even if it had to be pink with a Hello Kitty design on it to achieve that.Stephen Colbert said:
Oh? Are you a chemist or engineer that has tested how adding paint would affect the density and feel of the (naturally white) rubber?
Actually the old and new slide pads look the same size when you use the dpads as a reference to adjust the zoom of each pic. The plastic groove being larger simply made the nub look smaller.
There is a smaller groove for the thumb to sit in though, which I'd think should probably allow better control.
There is a smaller groove for the thumb to sit in though, which I'd think should probably allow better control.
Stephen Colbert
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Dreamwriter said:
No your actual quote was that GAFFers wouldn't care if the nub pink with a hello kitty logo on it, as long as it played well.
That's demonstrably false. Most GAFfers would certainly prefer an otherwise identical blue nub or even a white nub to a pink nub with a hello kitty logo on it.
GAFfers do care about aesthetics. The 8+ page thread devoted to discussing whether the Blue 3DS or the Black 3DS looks superior is proof of that.
And fyi, rubber isn't naturally white. Paint is added to give it color, in this case, white paint. I've seen it being manufactured first hand.
Looks like CVG put up a review already: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/291003/nintendo-3ds-review-2011/
Dreamwriter
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Dunno why I keep feeding the troll, but...Stephen Colbert said:
Dreamwriter said:
Rubber tree with the (white) rubber being collected (40% of all rubber products still use natural rubber):Stephen Colbert said:
sasimirobot
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Akai: Another new feature is the analog Circle Pad above the +Control Pad. With regard to its operability, we tried countless possibilities before settling on the final specs.
Iwata: Even when the hardware team decided on specifications, once the software teams used it, they would have new demands. Akai: Right. (laughs)
Goto: And that was later in development! (laughs)
Iwata: Those of you making it might think a particular spring strength is good, but the software developers are concerned with how much of an effect moving it a certain amount has in game plays.
Miyatake: The materials for the Circle Pad have changed since the announcement at E3. We used double molding, and the parts where your fingers touch are rubbery.
Iwata: When we announced it at E3, it was a single material, but later we changed the surface material and made it two.
Miyatake: Right. We considered resins with different textures and more pad shapes than you can count. It's sort of the face of the Nintendo 3DS system, so we reflected the opinions of as many people as we could, including software developers, and I think it turned out to have a very nice grip.
Iwata: Even when the hardware team decided on specifications, once the software teams used it, they would have new demands. Akai: Right. (laughs)
Goto: And that was later in development! (laughs)
Iwata: Those of you making it might think a particular spring strength is good, but the software developers are concerned with how much of an effect moving it a certain amount has in game plays.
Miyatake: The materials for the Circle Pad have changed since the announcement at E3. We used double molding, and the parts where your fingers touch are rubbery.
Iwata: When we announced it at E3, it was a single material, but later we changed the surface material and made it two.
Miyatake: Right. We considered resins with different textures and more pad shapes than you can count. It's sort of the face of the Nintendo 3DS system, so we reflected the opinions of as many people as we could, including software developers, and I think it turned out to have a very nice grip.
Stephen Colbert
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Dreamwriter, how does it being pink and with a hello kitty logo make it control better than it being any other color? The color has no bearing on how it controls. Your quote is pretty clear, that GAFFers wouldn't care about the color at all just as long as it controlled as well as it could. And that's definately not true. Or there wouldn't be so many people wishing for a red 3DS.
And rubber is naturally a pale yellow. It has several additives added to it in a factory, including color. Posting a picture of rubber tree sap being collected is just the first step of the process, as I'm fairly sure you already knew. So it's obvious who's trolling who.
Pretty much every material and resin manufactured or processed at a factory has coloring added to it. Nintendo's quote indicates they too used a manufactured resin.
And rubber is naturally a pale yellow. It has several additives added to it in a factory, including color. Posting a picture of rubber tree sap being collected is just the first step of the process, as I'm fairly sure you already knew. So it's obvious who's trolling who.
Pretty much every material and resin manufactured or processed at a factory has coloring added to it. Nintendo's quote indicates they too used a manufactured resin.
Stephen Colbert
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rpmurphy said:
That was a great read. Thanks. I'm still waiting for someone to do a highly technical teardown of it.
I think the point, fitting in with the overall design of the 3DS, is that you're rewarded for taking the system with you, and that even when you're not actively playing you'll have surprises to come back to later.FINALFANTASYDOG said:
Turning them into achievements and making them unlimited to earn would simply turn them into a grinding mechanism in which you're always playing catchup.
The whole idea of limiting how many you can earn is probably to make them more valuable and force players to pace themselves instead of getting lost in the rat race.
I'm fine with their design, it rewards everyone equally just for participating, instead of alienating those who don't grind as much.
redbarchetta
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Stephen Colbert said:
Indeed, except their complaint that "Photos are 2D layers on a 3D plain" makes no damn sense, considering all its doing is taking 2 discreet pictures--one from each of the outside cameras--and sending one to each eye. There is no "layering" of images at all.
BooJoh said:
It's also to encourage people to keep carrying the thing with them. As someone said before, a single game's unlocks based on the coins is 300, the maximum coin total. Meaning that if you wanted to always have enough coins to unlock stuff, you should keep carrying the thing with you - which feeds into all the environmental features of the thing and encourages further social and lifestyle penetration.
redbarchetta
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kaizoku said:
Nope, and I agree it would be a good addition considering how well tactile feedback worked for both the Wii and WarioWare Twisted. I'm guessing it was omitted due to battery concerns, but it would be nice to have in future revisions.
Tricky I Shadow
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careksims said:
THIS! Reading the review has made me want it NOW!
Eurogamer's posted their 4-page review too:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-27-european-nintendo-3ds-reviewed
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-27-european-nintendo-3ds-reviewed
Cosmonaut X
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gofreak said:
Good stuff - a nice, thoughtful and fair review of the hardware, I think. I suspect the "power issue" is overplayed, but it also seems that a number of videogames writers are realising just how daft they looked with the same issue when it came to the DS/PSP the last time around and are steering clear of hyperbole about the comparative grunt of the system.
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