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Nintendo 3DS Japanese Launch Thread
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Sammy Samusu
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A week after that updated fact sheet. LOLEspiox said:
TylDurden said:
But it has gyroscopes and accelerometers and also, if it didn't have a 3D screen, that screen would ALSO be a touch screen (they decided against it since that destroyed the gimmicky 3D illusion).
Also, it seems it could still do much of the AR novelty stuff and it has better visuals than PSP; particularly if it wasn't being wasted in circus acts for children.
redbarchetta
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TylDurden said:
With motion-sensing, a microphone, a stylus-driven touchscreen...
Wait, were you being sarcastic?
Stephen Colbert
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Krakatoa said:I like it
Imagine playing Star Fox or Wave Race on it. O r watching 3d movies on it. Drools.
redbarchetta
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Stephen Colbert said:
It'd be about the same...but slightly larger.
Deadly Monk
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Got a blue one Now I can join the party!!!
What game to get...
Now I can join the party!!!What game to get...
Relaxed Muscle
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Amir0x said:
RR4 is 30fps and it's the best RR game ever!!!!
Just playing RR7 and I don't think I can go back to play a 30fps RR, you fail at life scamco!!
WonkersTHEWatilla said:
Ridge Racer PSP is 60 fps. AND looks better than Ridge Racer 3D on top of the framerate.
Scamco just tries to scam everyone all the time.
Instro said:What if I'm in between? I am so confused
One cannot be on the fence. You either want features that actually impact games, or you want parlor tricks that have been demonstrated time and again to distract from them.
I am sipping martini's in the "always turning 3D off" pool. We got ALL the hot chicks here.
EmCeeGramr
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uh you've never ridden in a flying bicycle?Boney said:What the fuck is that
next you'll be telling me you never been on an ornithopter
well i'm off for my morning commute
LumpOfCole
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3D can be very immersive in video games, but there are a lot of hurdles that must be overcome for this to be the case:
- If any significant UI elements or in-game elements appear at the incorrect depth, immersion is destroyed. This problem exists for 99% of PC games when coupled with nVidia 3D Vision.
- If performance/detail is degraded more than 10% to make up for 3D, then it becomes a trade-off that typically isn't worthwhile.
- If convergence defaults are poor and don't allow for easy adjustment, then 3D's value becomes diminished to the point of worthlessness in almost every game.
- If you are prone to headaches with 3D, which is not an uncommon thing, then you are not going to enjoy 3D in any capacity for more than 5-10 minutes (if even that).
Take it from a 3D Vision owner - there are only a select few games that 3D make the experience measurably and definitively better than playing without 3D. Starcraft II has incredible 3D when adjusting the convergence to the point that the terrain rests just under the UI at the bottom - so good that it's hard to go back to 2D. Burnout Paradise, despite a couple of minor UI elements appearing out of place, works incredibly with 3D as well to the point that it feels like a new experience.
Most other games, though? The 3D isn't worth it because something has gone very wrong - usually it's an aiming reticle that doesn't work in 3D and causes a cross eyed and uncomfortable experience, and a lot of the skyboxes lately render at a wrong depth as well. If elements pop off the screen and are cropped at the side, that also destroys immersion.
The stars have to align for 3D to become something great - the potential is there but the hurdles to achieve a great 3D experience are just too intense for most games. When it comes to the 3DS, I predict 5-10% of its library to play well with 3D to the point that 3D is preferred - even then I would label that estimate as liberal and optimistic. I expect to be playing with that slider all the way down for a vast majority of games.
- If any significant UI elements or in-game elements appear at the incorrect depth, immersion is destroyed. This problem exists for 99% of PC games when coupled with nVidia 3D Vision.
- If performance/detail is degraded more than 10% to make up for 3D, then it becomes a trade-off that typically isn't worthwhile.
- If convergence defaults are poor and don't allow for easy adjustment, then 3D's value becomes diminished to the point of worthlessness in almost every game.
- If you are prone to headaches with 3D, which is not an uncommon thing, then you are not going to enjoy 3D in any capacity for more than 5-10 minutes (if even that).
Take it from a 3D Vision owner - there are only a select few games that 3D make the experience measurably and definitively better than playing without 3D. Starcraft II has incredible 3D when adjusting the convergence to the point that the terrain rests just under the UI at the bottom - so good that it's hard to go back to 2D. Burnout Paradise, despite a couple of minor UI elements appearing out of place, works incredibly with 3D as well to the point that it feels like a new experience.
Most other games, though? The 3D isn't worth it because something has gone very wrong - usually it's an aiming reticle that doesn't work in 3D and causes a cross eyed and uncomfortable experience, and a lot of the skyboxes lately render at a wrong depth as well. If elements pop off the screen and are cropped at the side, that also destroys immersion.
The stars have to align for 3D to become something great - the potential is there but the hurdles to achieve a great 3D experience are just too intense for most games. When it comes to the 3DS, I predict 5-10% of its library to play well with 3D to the point that 3D is preferred - even then I would label that estimate as liberal and optimistic. I expect to be playing with that slider all the way down for a vast majority of games.
donkey show
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From the last page...Glix said:
Links are the same in 30fps, 60fps is in 2D mode when you turn off stereoscopic 3D in the options menu. Relax.donkey show said:crankypants is right. We're all mistaken. =P
Just confirmed it in my office restroom, heh. SSFIV definitely runs at 60fps, but only if you turn off the stereoscopic 3D option in the options menu. Like crankypants said, it turns off the 3D slider function and you no longer see the green 3D indicator lit up next to the slider:
Youll definitely notice its running 60fps right off the bat from the intros when that option is set to off. Both 2D and over the shoulder (which happens to be called 3D mode) run in 60fps when the stereoscopic 3D is turned off.
I thought my eyes were trippin due to playing in 3D for so long, but when the stereoscopic 3D is set to on (which is the default setting), it runs at 30fps during gameplay, even when you turn the slider to 0.
Tl;dr
Default settings with stereoscopic 3D on in the options menu, gameplay at 30 fps in both 2D and over the shoulder, regardless of what level the 3D slider is set to.
Turn off stereoscopic 3D in the options menu (not the arcade mode options, 3D slider does not work): 60fps gameplay in both 2D and over the shoulder mode
That should settle it. =P
And for those of you who asked about links, I can still do them at 30fps without sacrificing timing, which is probably why I didn't question the 60fps thing that much before.
Smiles and Cries
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every slow news day is a treat on Nin-GAF
Dreamwriter
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The NGP is GINORMOUS due to the big screen and touchpad, there's plenty of spare room inside for the battery (which BTW has been announced to be about the same lifetime as a PSP 3000 running off of UMD). As for the iPhone, I think a visual aid will help here.Stephen Colbert said:
See this? That's the entire internals of the iPhone 4. Everything else in the case is the screen, the battery, camera, and a couple sensors.
And here you can see how big the battery is:
Now here you can see what's inside the 3DS:
That metal tray on left-top, that's the battery tray. The battery fills the entire space.
WonkersTHEWatilla said:Oh, Namco...
I was sorta having hope there at the last minute. Ridge Racer Unbounded has turned my world upside down. If we don't get Ridge Racer 3DS, does Scamco take it as a signal we don't want that type of arcade Ridge Racer? But if we do get it, does that send Scamco a signal that we'll buy any trash-bin RR that exists?
There is no way to win with Scamco!
Pseudo_Sam
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Amir0x said:
Anyone else here physically incapable of seeing 3D? I gots me a bum eye, not worried though. 2D is where it's at
from what I hear
Stephen Colbert
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Bert said:
Not the same. You're not actually looking at those at the same time. There were a few games on the ds that had you look at both screens simultaneously because each had one half of the cinematic.
Dreamwriter said:The NGP is GINORMOUS due to the big screen and touchpad, there's plenty of spare room inside for the battery (which BTW has been announced to be about the same lifetime as a PSP 3000 running off of UMD). As for the iPhone, I think a visual aid will help here.
See this? That's the entire internals of the iPhone 4. Everything else in the case is the screen, the battery, camera, and a couple sensors.
And here you can see how big the battery is:
Now here you can see what's inside the 3DS:
That metal tray on left-top, that's the battery tray. The battery fills the entire space.
Thanks for proving my point. It's actually ridiculous that Nintendo is actually using a smaller battery than the iPhone despite having a device three times as big and using a much weaker CPU, gpu and an eight as much ram. He'll the iPhone even has a huge 32gb NAND flash card and you're telling me Nintendo can't find the room to atleast use as big a battery as other smartphones.
The NGP is ridiculously slim. Same as the iPhone. Both contain components a heck of a lot more advanced than the 3ds. Nintendo can either switch to a smaller nm process or use their space more efficiently or get rid of the extraneous plastic and metal inside and free up plenty of space for a bigger battery like the iPhone and ngp manage to do.
Father_Brain
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LumpOfCole said:
That particular problem only results from games not being developed with stereoscopic 3D in mind. On 3DS, it's the standard, so there should be no such issues except for horribly rushed titles.
There are enough legitimate criticisms to make regarding stereoscopic 3D (most of which you touched on) without wasting a whole paragraph on irrelevant FUD.
Smiles and Cries
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Vic said:
I was expecting a bouncy penis and balls
that was not so bad
comedy bomb
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Amir0x said:
Nobody wants to be fed grapes by you dressed as Monica Bellucci.
At this point I don't know why you don't just cancel your preorder. You don't want any of the games, and you don't seem to particularly care for the system as it is. I'd even wager that you outright dislike Nintendo as a whole.
Save everyone the next 5 years of listening to your bitching and just buy a NGP or something.
comedy bomb said:
tsc tsc don't let your emotional fandom get the best of you. The whole reason I get Nintendo systems is for Nintendo games, so one might say I must have a super strong love of Nintendo to suffer their console development foibles and obsession with game-hurting gimmicks.
With 3D on you won't be using motion. The PSP has a microphone, and as long as your watching the 3D screen I can't imagine utilizing the touch screen very much. I can't believe you guys aren't totally psyched for 3D. That's the only reason I'm buying a 3DS.redbarchetta said:
Pseudo_Sam
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Amir0x said:
Grapes AND shit? Not sure how I feel about that tbh
Espiox said:
A pilot wings game is NOT a Pilot Wings game without Skydiving.
I fully expect Sky Diving to be one of the other "vehicles"/modes
TylDurden said:
We all know 3D will play a huge role in 3DS games. Amirox is pretty much the ONLY user on here who consistently, without logic nor reason bashes the 3D of the 3DS
Dreamwriter
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Where did you read that the 3DS has a weaker CPU and GPU than an iPhone? Even if that were the case (is most likely isn't), the power of a CPU/GPU has nothing to do with the size of the chip. You know what the 3DS has that the iPhone doesn't? Two screens, a number of controls, a cartridge slot, an SD Card slot. And its CPU/GPU package requires a heftier heat-sync (the metal you claim is extraneous). Just the controls take up a *lot* of room.Stephen Colbert said:
Yeah, I was exagerating.Smiles and Cries said:
SSFIV - Online matches with Zangief: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ9fJZ7lTdI
TylDurden said:
This quote just doesn't make sense in the context of what you said PREVIOUSLY. You said "without 3D it's just another PSP"; which of course is not true. Because WITHOUT the 3D you still have
- Accelerometers
- The AR novelty parlor trick hour
- Gyroscope
- We'd have got a SECOND touch screen if there wasn't 3D... which is something that actually impacts gameplay
All of which did not exist in the first DS
Your new argument is for the "well we DO have 3D" affirmative, and it's a weak argument since it is essentially for gimmickry versus gameplay/other visual benefit. "With 3D you won't be using motion!" Except, in theory, motion actually will impact certain forms of gameplay.
dvolovets said:
Hm, I'd say it's hard to compare directly because each are doing different things but...
...I would say that Soul Calibur: Broken Destiny looks VERY close to the aesthetic quality, PLUS the backgrounds are not static. So it evens out.
This does not mean I think the 3DS is a glorified PSP.
We're comparing launch games to games that came out late in a systems life. 3DS is clearly more powerful than PSP by a decent amount.
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