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[Mister Wolf]

What is even the point of this Mig thing except for piracy? If you've legally dumped a ROM from your own game card you obviously own that game card, so just use it? What benefit does this add?

They don't know about Switch travel cases that have slots for several cartridges apparently.

 

[mckmas8808]

I am not saying that. I actually think when you own the device you should be able to own the SW and do what you want with it for the most part. Nintendo has to protect thier IP though becasue I remember I went to a guys house and he had every Dreamcast game burned to CDROMS.

Oh I know you weren't saying that. I was saying that! I hate the idea that if you own the device you should be able to own the SW and do what you want with it. It makes my skin crawl.

 

[diffusionx]

Just because something is in the agreement doesn't mean that the wording is legal. The laws of the country supersede anything in an agreement that contravenes it.

I remember working in civiil litigation for a major credit card issuer and some of the terms were not actually enforceable.

only matters if someone sues them and a court looks at it.

 

[Guilty_AI]

That is true but from what I heard Ninty is bricking consoles so they don't have to ban accounts.

A 450 dollar console isn't a little thing....but it's not a huge deal.

$20,000 dollars worth of digital software would, on the other hand, but a hell of a thing to lose.

I'd rather them brick my console all day and leave my account alone. Bricking consoles = a traffic ticket, Permabanning my account = death of my account.

I'll take this any day of the week over an account ban. That said I don't pirate so my Switch 2 will be fine. Stay based.

"They're shooting people in the foot instead of three shots in their butt. They're so kind!"

 

[Roni]

Keep up the work, corporate shills. The corporations are counting on you to one day normalize charging by play session in your local hardware.

 

[AJUMP23]

I hate the idea that if you own the device you should be able to own the SW and do what you want with it. It makes my skin crawl.

You hate doing what you want with what you own.

 

[HRK69]

Well, obviously. But that's true for almost anything you can buy. If you buy a chair or a table you can't legally make a bunch of copies of it to sell. Because you only own that particular copy, you don't own the design.

Holy shit I feel dumb right now.

 

[darth.shrimp]

well, happy that mig is already working, with how trash Nintendo online is i m fine with offline only.

Oh, that's the best part: apparently The MiG Switch wasn't even working on his Switch 2

 

[Lokaum D+]

Oh, that's the best part: apparently The MiG Switch wasn't even working on his Switch 2

already saw a lot of videos of MiG working on SW2, but its really soon, give mod some time and they ll be dumping games directly to game memory without a problem.

 

[Metnut]

Hopefully anyone modding to enable privacy has their Switch 2 permabricked and their account is permanently banned.

 

[NeverYouMind]

Can't wait to see people playing this junk on their Steam Deck 2 in higher fidelity.

 

[tkscz]

Even knowing the guy dumped his games on the MiG legally, there are many more than him who just pirate them.

I watch Youtubers (specifically Wulff Den) who talk about this knowing full well about 20% of people will dump legal copies and the other 80% will pirate.

 

[RoadHazard]

I think it is so if you are travelling or something, and you are a crazy person who plays like 20+ games so frequently, then you can just put them on one cart and not have to carry around so many carts. But also you don't want to buy the games digitally.
Though of course, 99% of people are using it for piracy.

I mean, Switch game cards are tiny, and most cases have space for a bunch of them. You can also buy digital if you really don't want to carry them around.

So yeah, the legit use cases for something like this seem very slim. For piracy it seems great.

 

[RoadHazard]

Even knowing the guy dumped his games on the MiG legally, there are many more than him who just pirate them.

I watch Youtubers (specifically Wulff Den) who talk about this knowing full well about 20% of people will dump legal copies and the other 80% will pirate.

20/80 lol. More like 1/99.

 

[bigdad2007]

I'm pretty sure Nintendo has no way of knowing if you are using a MiG or not directly. The way they are banning people is the fact each game essentially has an encrypted key that uniquely identifies it.

They flag games dumped online as pirate copies so when you play a pirate copy and connect online Nintendo downloads the logs of what has been played and sees the ids of all those games.

It also wouldn't surprise me if they tracked how quickly games were switched to identify the flashcart, considering it is possible to switch games on the MiG way faster than physically possible.

However I'm guessing the only way Nintendo is flagging people is by the game keys. And if you get banned it is because you are using dumps from online with pirate keys.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

The use case for PC emulation over the switch 1 performance is a legit reason to dump games you own. Regardless of Nintendo's stance, legally at least in the US you are in your rights to do so. Some games may be lost to the original hardware performance limitations if not patched by switch 1 successors. It's kind of a fun experiment if anything if you like to tinker around.

 

[Solarstrike]

 

[Baemono]

I'm pretty sure Nintendo has no way of knowing if you are using a MiG or not directly. The way they are banning people is the fact each game essentially has an encrypted key that uniquely identifies it.

They flag games dumped online as pirate copies so when you play a pirate copy and connect online Nintendo downloads the logs of what has been played and sees the ids of all those games.

It also wouldn't surprise me if they tracked how quickly games were switched to identify the flashcart, considering it is possible to switch games on the MiG way faster than physically possible.

However I'm guessing the only way Nintendo is flagging people is by the game keys. And if you get banned it is because you are using dumps from online with pirate keys.

On reddit they say the hardware is being banned after putting a mig while being connected to the internet.

 

[RoadHazard]

The use case for PC emulation over the switch 1 performance is a legit reason to dump games you own. Regardless of Nintendo's stance, legally at least in the US you are in your rights to do so. Some games may be lost to the original hardware performance limitations if not patched by switch 1 successors. It's kind of a fun experiment if anything if you like to tinker around.

That may be true, but it doesn't explain why you'd want to dump ROMs to play on your Switch. Just use the original copy.

 

[ReyBrujo]

I'm pretty sure Nintendo has no way of knowing if you are using a MiG or not directly.

The curious thing is that they can detect Switch 2 consoles using the Mig which might mean they found a way (voltage differences, speed differences, etc) to distinguish between a Switch 1 and a MIG cartridge. I wonder if that means they could have done that with the Switch 1 as well but decided to keep quiet and prevent false positives going straight for Switch 2 validation.

Sure, they might be lying and using internet dumps but I doubt they would even try to connect to internet knowing that's a straight ban since Switch 1.

 

[LordOcidax]

That may be true, but it doesn't explain why you'd want to dump ROMs to play on your Switch. Just use the original copy.

People sell the MIG Switch with a bunch of games inside… That's probably why the guy have a big library of games.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

That may be true, but it doesn't explain why you'd want to dump ROMs to play on your Switch. Just use the original copy.

Oh I'm not arguing for that. Just putting it out there that there are some legitimate reasons to dump games.

 

[RoboFu]

These were dumped legit, which apparently is an important distinction because games dumped on the internet get flagged by Nintendo, so it was the MIG cart itself not the dump.

That doesn't mean anything. He still could have pirated games on the cart.

 

[ReyBrujo]

The use case for PC emulation over the switch 1 performance is a legit reason to dump games you own. Regardless of Nintendo's stance, legally at least in the US you are in your rights to do so. Some games may be lost to the original hardware performance limitations if not patched by switch 1 successors. It's kind of a fun experiment if anything if you like to tinker around.

There was a cool thread yesterday at reddit. Basically it's legal to dump your games but if Nintendo discovers that you have done so they can claim breach of TOS and ban your console, account and game as deemed necessary. One thing is the legal side of it and another is the private side of it.

That doesn't mean anything. He still could have pirated games on the cart.

Give him at least some credit.

 

[StereoVsn]

"PERFECTLY LEGAL DUMPS" suuurrreeee

Eh, it's actually only safe to only use your own dumps. It's easy enough for Nintendo to detect when folks are using duplicate cart IDs.

So for your own use, there haven't been any issues. It is a shitty practice to ban consoles though.

 

[TintoConCasera]

It's easy enough for Nintendo to detect when folks are using duplicate cart IDs.

I wonder how they do it, specially how they differentiate between a ROM downloaded from the internet and some dude sharing the cart with a friend.

 

[StereoVsn]

What is even the point of this Mig thing except for piracy? If you've legally dumped a ROM from your own game card you obviously own that game card, so just use it? What benefit does this add?

If I am going on vacation with kids I would much rather take the Mig cart vs actual physical games. The point is to keep real game cards safely stored while you are playing copies.

It's actually detrimental to use someone else's dumps as that's easy to detect.

 

[near]

Get fucked idiots. It doesn't matter if the dumps are legal, if you break the user account agreement there are consequences. It's not difficult to understand.

 

[StereoVsn]

I wonder how they do it, specially how they differentiate between a ROM downloaded from the internet and some dude sharing the cart with a friend.

The S/N, cart ID, etc is the same. When they see you and another person playing duplicates they would probably just ban both.

I didnt think they have a way to detect whether the cart is real or not. At least that was the case with Switch 1 and apparently not so with S2.

 

[VolticArchangel]

FYI for the mods: I don't pirate games, I back-up my legitimate games I own on cartridges. Piracy is shit, I work in software development.

 

[Holammer]

Don't give nintendo ideas

But on the other hand, that's a bitchin' Steam Deck case mod just waiting for happen.
Olive green with "Front towards enemy" in yellow letters on the back.

 

[rodrigolfp]

When they see you and another person playing duplicates they would probably just ban both.

Only if playing at the same time, right???

 

[StereoVsn]

Only if playing at the same time, right???

I would imagine if they see both copies "in the console" if Switch is online.

 

[Kataploom]

So are pirates going to go legal and file a class action lawsuit? Because even if you make legal copies or not, you're in a definite gray area.

I'm sure they're allowed to make their own copies for their own use, but Nintendo is not obligated to make it easy for them to play their copies (or someone else's)

 

[Topher]

That may be true, but it doesn't explain why you'd want to dump ROMs to play on your Switch. Just use the original copy.

Dumping ROMs and playing them in emulators on PC allow for the possibility of better image quality and performance.

 

[Kilau]

That doesn't mean anything. He still could have pirated games on the cart.

Sure they could be lying but using pirated copies goes against the purpose of the test, which was to see if the MIG itself causes the ban. I don't really see why we should doubt they dumped their own games for the test.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

Meanwhile, let's check out what's happening on Steam Deck:

 

[Deerock71]

I'm sure they're allowed to make their own copies for their own use, but Nintendo is not obligated to make it easy for them to play their copies (or someone else's)

I'd keep my copies off Nintendo's servers if I were a smart pirate. Argh!

 

[iHaunter]

Nintendo should not be allowed to touch your console, period. If it's misused, block them from Nintendo network. They need to be sued.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I would imagine if they see both copies "in the console" if Switch is online.

In the same console ok.

Nintendo should not be allowed to touch your console, period. If it's misused, block them from Nintendo network. They need to be sued.

They just did that. The games can still be played offline.

They need to be sued if they block you from downloading your digital games though.

 

[MiguelItUp]

 

[RoadHazard]

Dumping ROMs and playing them in emulators on PC allow for the possibility of better image quality and performance.

You didn't read what I wrote.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

That doesn't mean anything. He still could have pirated games on the cart.

Yeah, I bet a lot of mig users wouldn't even know how to dump their actual games.

Only if playing at the same time, right???

I'm sure they have ways to know if lets say the same key gets used 500 miles away within a period of time even if it's at different times.

 

[RoadHazard]

If I am going on vacation with kids I would much rather take the Mig cart vs actual physical games. The point is to keep real game cards safely stored while you are playing copies.

It's actually detrimental to use someone else's dumps as that's easy to detect.

Ok, that's a decent reason.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I'm sure they have ways to know if lets say the same key gets used 500 miles away within a period of time even if it's at different times.

That would be ok too.

 

[coffinbirth]

The S/N, cart ID, etc is the same. When they see you and another person playing duplicates they would probably just ban both.

I didnt think they have a way to detect whether the cart is real or not. At least that was the case with Switch 1 and apparently not so with S2.

I'm 99% sure these bans are from people using any combination of the cart/dumper/dumps from the old fw.

 

[Topher]

You didn't read what I wrote.

Misread. Yeah don't see the point in that either

 

[bender]

These were dumped legit, which apparently is an important distinction because games dumped on the internet get flagged by Nintendo, so it was the MIG cart itself not the dump.

I found the problem:

 

[Baemono]

Nintendo should not be allowed to touch your console, period. If it's misused, block them from Nintendo network. They need to be sued.

That's what they did

 

[mckmas8808]

You hate doing what you want with what you own.

You know you can't allow people to create back up copies of games, without it leading to people stealing it and selling it for pennies on the dollar.