Guilty_AI
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You don't own them when you buy them either. But remember there's a huge difference between just stating you don't own something and the corp having the means to make sure you stop owning them when they want to.
Nintendo Banning Switch 2 Consoles using Mig Switch
- Thread starter Topher
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Jacobson
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No, the point is the clause has been there for everyone since time immemorial but somehow everyone and their mother has some manufactured outrage when someone actually read the Nintendo EULA.
Steam also don't allow you to transfer your account to someone even if you die but did you see them enforce it? Fucking sheep.
diffusionx
Gold Member
based
RoadHazard
Gold Member
What is even the point of this Mig thing except for piracy? If you've legally dumped a ROM from your own game card you obviously own that game card, so just use it? What benefit does this add?
Baemono
Member
His english grammar is better than his french one
These were dumped legit, which apparently is an important distinction because games dumped on the internet get flagged by Nintendo, so it was the MIG cart itself not the dump.
MikeM
Member
Just because something is in the agreement doesn't mean that the wording is legal. The laws of the country supersede anything in an agreement that contravenes it.
I remember working in civiil litigation for a major credit card issuer and some of the terms were not actually enforceable.
I remember working in civiil litigation for a major credit card issuer and some of the terms were not actually enforceable.
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LordOcidax
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The internet (One week before the Switch 2 release):
Don't insert the MIG Switch in your Switch 2.
An user that knows how to dump a Switch game and knows about the warnings… Proceeds to insert the MIG Switch in the Switch 2, the console gets banned.
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Don't insert the MIG Switch in your Switch 2.An user that knows how to dump a Switch game and knows about the warnings… Proceeds to insert the MIG Switch in the Switch 2, the console gets banned.
Deserved
HRK69
Member
It probably holds multiple games and has it's own interface
hououinkyouma00
Member
Hey dude, you forgot that Valve isn't allowed to have any criticism and Nintendo are the devil incarnate.
I guess maybe it allows you to just have all the games on a single cartridge without swapping it out? I've never used one so I don't though.
Baemono
Member
Sure, but I was responding to "Nintendo tells you you don't own your console", I see the same type of wording everywhere.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
If you buy physical you own them as much as you can own a piece of media. You can sell it, you can shove it up your own ass, anything you want really.
Sakura
Member
I think it is so if you are travelling or something, and you are a crazy person who plays like 20+ games so frequently, then you can just put them on one cart and not have to carry around so many carts. But also you don't want to buy the games digitally.
Though of course, 99% of people are using it for piracy.
Baemono
Member
But you have to go to court (or a mediation process) to show that one or several article(s) in the agreement aren't legal.
Topher
Identifies as young
He ain't saying that what he is saying only applies to Nintendo.
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MikeM
Member
Absolutely.
HRK69
Member
Even when you buy something physically, you don't truly own the content . You own the disc, cartridge, book, or whatever the medium is, but not the intellectual property it contains. That's a key legal distinction
Your statement is more about practical freedoms rather than legal ownership and it's good to keep that nuance in mind
Topher
Identifies as young
Which is expensive as hell and that is why these EULA are never challenged. Corporations know this.
Guilty_AI
Member
Because nintendo, out of all console companies, is the most likely to abuse such terms, given how trigger happy they are with lawfare and everything. They could definitely open the floodgates for this just like they did for $80 games.
Can they enforce it is the real question. There's no way for them to know i've transfered an account, and if i want to be really safe i can back up said library to play everything offline. Valve definitely cannot brick my device, nor even "ban" it for that matter as they don't have the means to detect specific computers.
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Guilty_AI
Member
For disks perhaps (assuming the game itself doesn't require internet), but this is a physical device we're talking about. As i stated previously, it is possible to brick a console remotely.
Team Andromeda
Member
And remember folks, Nintendo are wankers
Jacobson
Member
So you mean, much like Steam, they haven't enforced it yet? Only online function has been literally banned, which is the same with the Switch 1. All posts saying that the actual console was bricked was either lying or debunked.
The biggest issue I have is people suddenly saying NOW that "YOU DON'T OWN YOUR CONSOLE"(i.e. you) is clearly misinformed.
Baemono
Member
Guilty_AI
Member
Oh no, don't get me wrong. I haven't been saying this just now. I've known and said that for a while.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Well, obviously. But that's true for almost anything you can buy. If you buy a chair or a table you can't legally make a bunch of copies of it to sell. Because you only own that particular copy, you don't own the design.
Jacobson
Member
That's even worse since you're like a doomsayer shouting at everyone but it's not happening lmao. Enjoy your doomposting.
Guilty_AI
Member
Enjoy your paper weight switch 2, after nintendo decides you can't own it anymore for not doing the mario dance at 2 AM like the terms specified.
Roman Empire
Member
Well, good to know what nintendo can recognize.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
You own the console, but that doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it and still expect full service. You agree to certain terms, at least when you want to use it online, which is what they have disabled here. They haven't bricked the console.
Guilty_AI
Member
Don't give nintendo ideas
Guilty_AI
Member
They haven't, but the point is that they can. Not just due to random terms they've wrote down, but the fact it is physically possible for them to brick a console if they so desire. It's as simple as a firmware update. And again, they did reserve themselves the right to do just that.
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
The MIG's main design is for Piracy. I was talking about that. Not this particular incident. I think the main Use Case for the MIG is piracy.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Straight out of Black Mirror. I know you jest but that's the future we are headed towards to in the vidya industry, because consumers defending brands and them being able to do whatever they want is the worst that could ever happen.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm SOOOOO happy Nintendo is doing this!
Guilty_AI
Member
BlackTron
Member
Not necessarily. While what you are saying about the identifier is true, Switch 2 can detect Mig through other means. While there is talk of getting around this with a possible update to the mig, it's not something where I would assume I am safe just because I didn't hand my unique games out!!
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I am not saying that. I actually think when you own the device you should be able to own the SW and do what you want with it for the most part. Nintendo has to protect thier IP though becasue I remember I went to a guys house and he had every Dreamcast game burned to CDROMS.
wafflecioccy
Member
Plot twist: You're Jensen Huang and you'll bleed Nintendo dry
Zacfoldor
Member
That is true but from what I heard Ninty is bricking consoles so they don't have to ban accounts.
A 450 dollar console isn't a little thing....but it's not a huge deal.
$20,000 dollars worth of digital software would, on the other hand, but a hell of a thing to lose.
I'd rather them brick my console all day and leave my account alone. Bricking consoles = a traffic ticket, Permabanning my account = death of my account.
I'll take this any day of the week over an account ban. That said I don't pirate or feel the need to "backup" my physical games so my Switch 2 will be fine. Stay based.
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GHG
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"With perfectly legal dumps of my own cartridges"
