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Nintendo Is Now Going After YouTube Accounts Which Show Its Games Being Emulated
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reinking
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Well, when it comes down to it, I am not going to go back and read the EULA for every game I have ever purchased to see what, or what is not, covered. That is even if I could find them. It's going to be a great day at the nursing home when Nintendo agents come in and escort me out.
MadchesterManc
Member
This is GAF, the place where folk think just buying Switch games (without owning a Switch needed for the emulation) means they can download someone else's dump of that game, then fire it up on an emulator running someone else's encryption keys, and its all hunky dorey
HogIsland
Member
Most of the classic cartridge-based systems don't have encryption.
The same (awful) DMCA law that criminalizes breaking encryption also has evolving exceptions, in recognition that the law fundamentally restricts innovation. In 2015, the EFF won new exceptions allowing the archival of videogames:
And The Games Play On: EFF Fights For Users' Rights to Play and Preserve Abandoned Video Games
When you buy a book, a record, or a movie, you can expect to be able to enjoy it, on your own terms, for as long as you want. But the same cannot always be said about video games. Over the past several years, video game publishers have increasingly required connection with one of their own...
As far as I know the details of these exceptions haven't been challenged in court, so we don't truly know what is "illegal" in relation to this. For you to adopt the hard line of copyright holders is pure serf mentality. Throw off your chains, friend.
Deerock71
Member
I mean...wouldn't the Doug Bowser personally traveling out there comment clue you in?
P.S. I'm laughing with you.
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midnightAI
Banned
Agreed, not sure what that had to do with the topic at hand though?
(And in my personal opinion, most people in those situations are using guns as self defence of.... people with guns, if guns were banned in the first place then you wouldn't have to defend against them)
Buggy Loop
Member
I mean...wouldn't the Doug Bowser personally traveling out there comment clue you in?
P.S. I'm laughing with you.
With psycho Nintendo, I can imagine Doug Bowser taking a plane and coming with 10 lawyers to some poor bastard's home, almost yes
HogIsland
Member
It is legal to sell emulators for money at retail stores.
The history of bleem!
As retro game prices continue to rise and old games become lost to time, emulation is an increasingly popular option fo…
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
No, it's not
MiguelItUp
Member
I guess them and their lawyers must be bored. Good luck to them trying to prove emulation or not in most cases.
Stefan.North
Member
I have been a Nintendo fan for at least 25 years. They are really getting on my nerves last 4-5 years.
Instead of focusing on creating more games you go around youtubers or game perservers. Not to mention that same games on a Nintendo console is more expensive than on the other platforms, even though it's tipically a worse version.
Instead of focusing on creating more games you go around youtubers or game perservers. Not to mention that same games on a Nintendo console is more expensive than on the other platforms, even though it's tipically a worse version.
MadchesterManc
Member
You should actually read whatAstray was responding to. It had nothing to do with Switch or downloading any games.
I've been following their posts through the thread so I was replying in general, don't get hung up on yourself
reinking
Gold Member
MadchesterManc
Member
Ah yes, the quintessential Gaffer. When acting smarmy fails, post GIFs
reinking
Gold Member
Dude, you made a hyperbole statement about "GAF" and now you want to call someone else out for being "smarmy?"
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MadchesterManc
Member
Dude, you made a hyperbole statement about "GAF" and now you want to call someone else out for being "smarmy?"
What hyperbole statement? Have you had too much Fizz Dip?
Astray
Member
Most of them don't even buy Switch games, they're just trying to be pirates without even being men and admitting it.
I'm not even a Nintendo fan, the only reason I even have a Switch is because I got gifted one by my wife. I actually barely play on it and likely have no intention of buying a Switch 2.
Good thing we're not talking about the classics then.
We're talking about a current gen console with games that are highly likely to be fully-compatible with the new Switch. The issue of preservation is basically non-existent for the vast majority of Switch titles going forward. There is no actual widespread usage for Yuzu or Ryujinx for anything other than piracy.
I will disregard you calling me a serf because this is the kind of informed discussion I've been seeking in this thread instead of "Nintendo bad".The same (awful) DMCA law that criminalizes breaking encryption also has evolving exceptions, in recognition that the law fundamentally restricts innovation. In 2015, the EFF won new exceptions allowing the archival of videogames:
Federal Register :: Request AccessAnd The Games Play On: EFF Fights For Users' Rights to Play and Preserve Abandoned Video Games
When you buy a book, a record, or a movie, you can expect to be able to enjoy it, on your own terms, for as long as you want. But the same cannot always be said about video games. Over the past several years, video game publishers have increasingly required connection with one of their own...www.eff.org
As far as I know the details of these exceptions haven't been challenged in court, so we don't truly know what is "illegal" in relation to this. For you to adopt the hard line of copyright holders is pure serf mentality. Throw off your chains, friend.
DMCA law is indeed awful and deserves to be changed, but promoting and defending piracy in this way only entrenches the law as it is and provides opportunities for companies to change it to the worse, and it creates misinformation that could get people fucked over by their ISPs or worse.
Sentenza
Member
Sure: every single time you emulate a game of which you own a legitimate copy, that isn't piracy.
Incidentally, the potential for software/game piracy applies to the actual Switch hardware, too, and it's not just an emulation issue.
Most of the "decryption/serial key archive sites" out there existed for the main purpose to ease-up piracy on the Switch and weren't created specifically for some emulator.
Case in point: I own a legitimate copy of Bloodborne on my Sony/PSN account.
Do you think it will qualify as "piracy" on my part the day I decide to play it on the upcoming PS4 emulator (that we already have a thread about)?
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reinking
Gold Member
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It is if you are using a copy of the game that you didn't copy yourself from an original copy.
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PatientGamer
Member
Arrogant Nintendo. They do this every time they have 1 good generation. They go on a manhunt and their next console flops.
It's coming again...
It's coming again...
Sentenza
Member
No, that's not an actual law enforced anywhere.
Not to mention it's an even less relevant issue when we are talking about digital download.
If I download a PS game on a device I can move its files wherever I want.
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MadchesterManc
Member
So you were being serious about this??
Wow. Third time that GIF. You must be so agitated you're stuck on a loop. I guess that's because you can't dispute what was said given you just have to go to any thread like this to see some making posts like that
I'm still waiting on what was hyperbolic
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
It's the whole world vs Nintendo.
So even if they want to... They are not going to proceed.
So even if they want to... They are not going to proceed.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
The problem is from where you downloaded the game.
Sentenza
Member
Eh, no, it isn't.
It's also an entirely separate issue that has virtually nothing to do with emulation itself. which was the claim I was originally answering to.
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Solarstrike
Member
Mario Collection on Steam when?
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
If you download the game from a source that is not yourself or Nintendo (in this case), it is.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
They are hypocrite and the ones who did this should be sued.
reinking
Gold Member
This has been fun but I can't dispute that "This is GAF, the place where folk think just buying Switch games (without owning a Switch needed for the emulation) means they can download someone else's dump of that game, then fire it up on an emulator running someone else's encryption keys, and its all hunky dorey?"Wow. Third time that GIF. You must be so agitated you're stuck on a loop. I guess that's because you can't dispute what was said given you just have to go to any thread like this to see some making posts like that
As for agitated, LOL. You should understand that I post here for fun. The day I take things too seriously is the day I disappear.
One more time because this convo has brought me laughter this morning...
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onnextflix5
Member
It don’t matter what u think mate, the the question is, are Nintendo operating within the law, its clearly not, as emulation is legal and as this is all pretty much civil law, police can’t do shit, and Nintendo will never allow any of the claims go to count, mainstream media don’t have a clue about any of this , so Nintendo can get away with behaving however they want.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
This is all leading up to the Switch 2 reveal *AND* the revelation that Nintendo will slowly start releasing their titles on PC.
I really have a feeling that Nintendo is going to enter the PC market. However, it won't be through Steam or Gamepass.
Nintendo will announce their own PC platform where they'll control everything. It's a vast, untapped market that can yield
hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.
After Nintendo saw the hundreds of millions(billion I believe?) of revenue from their animated Super Mario Brothers Movie, the
PC is just waiting for Mario and crew to join the fun.
Bookmark for later.
I really have a feeling that Nintendo is going to enter the PC market. However, it won't be through Steam or Gamepass.
Nintendo will announce their own PC platform where they'll control everything. It's a vast, untapped market that can yield
hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.
After Nintendo saw the hundreds of millions(billion I believe?) of revenue from their animated Super Mario Brothers Movie, the
PC is just waiting for Mario and crew to join the fun.
Bookmark for later.
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Solarstrike
Member
Cleaning up the loose ends before Switch 2 official announcement.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Don't know if sarcasm or not but Nintendo will go bankrupt before releasing games on PC. They are just afraid of Switch 2 emulation.
NeverYouMind
Member
Time for the internet to ghost Nintendo or AI troll them into oblivion. Make parents embarassed to have kids see Nintendo due to inappropriate associations.
Solarstrike
Member
Nintendo, a 135 year old (gaming) company, is only "afraid" of one thing. Making "bad" games. As Shigeru Miyamoto famous quote states "A delayed game will eventually be good, a bad game is bad forever."
If this were true wouldn't all the retro boxes be illegal?It is legal to sell emulators for money at retail stores.
The history of bleem!
As retro game prices continue to rise and old games become lost to time, emulation is an increasingly popular option fo…
And if they do this correctly they will minimize all pirating. It can be like Steam or iTunes where the convinience is much greater than the trouble of obtaining pirated copies. You just can't stop the internet and software so getting rid of Piracy is never going to happen.
Jeff Spicoli
Member
Nintendo just hired 150 more lawyers for next fiscal year.
Represent.
Banned
They'll do anything but make good graphics
marquimvfs
Member
You don't know what you're talking about.
Again, get your facts straight before spreading bullshit.
Emulation is a very broad thing, you know?
I can show you several, here you go:
Oh, but you mean gaming only? Here ya go:
Well, you mean RECENT gaming only? Ok, then:
I hope that now you stop spreading bullshit. The use case you're using as an sample isn't anything near the "95%" you told. I'd be surprised if it's anything near 10%. Emulators are used in a daily basis for everything you could imagine, isn't just a gaming thing. If you mean gaming only, you need to specify, but piracy is not the only use case, also it's not near the percentage you talked.
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killatopak
Member
Personally, they're perfect for speedrunning. TAS shows me exactly where, when and how I can improve. They're mostly if not always exclusively run on emulators.
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