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[Kerotan]

Oh, right. And ironically I have one too.

There were like 6 in my house over the years. Sisters owned them and kept breaking them so needed a replacement

 

[TheGodfather07]

Produced ≠ sold, Sony boy

PS2 is still available for sale in 2025? Show me which retailer please. I might buy one.

I'm being sarcastic by the way. I had to let you know because I know your too damn stupid to figure that out.

 

[Fake]

For the first time I hyped for NS2. Their software are monsters at this point.

I gonna leave PS5 just for third party.

 

[Kerotan]

So the drop a year ago has been from 6.9M to 4.8M. That'll give you an idea for the year but Nintendo might do what Sony did and switch almost all Switch supply lines to making the Switch 2.

 

[Diddy X]

MK8 sold 67 Million?? Am I reading that right?

 

[LordOcidax]

MK8 sold 67 Million?? Am I reading that right?

+ 8 Million on WiiU.

 

[Topher]

Produced isn't sold. Nintendo produced more Switches than they sold, aswell. Which funny points will you come up with, when Nintendo surpassed your made up dream number?

You think there are PS2s still sitting on store shelves unsold? Same will apply to Switch. If Nintendo produces enough units to surpass PS2 then they will eventually be sold, even if after Switch 2 launches.

I really don't know why folks are making this out to be more complicated than it is.

 

[Diddy X]

You think there are PS2s still sitting on store shelves unsold? Same will apply to Switch. If Nintendo produces enough units to surpass PS2 then they will eventually be sold, even if after Switch 2 launches.

I really don't know why folks are making this out to be more complicated than it is.

It's pretty obvious, I myself want the Switch to surpass the ps2 which is too old plus I don't like Sony.

 

[Topher]

It's pretty obvious, I myself want the Switch to surpass the ps2 which is too old plus I don't like Sony.

I get the console warrior stuff, but there isn't anything to debate here is what I'm saying. If Nintendo produces X+1 units of Switch where X is the number of PS2 sold then Switch will have beat the record. It is just math.

 

[daxgame]

You think there are PS2s still sitting on store shelves unsold? Same will apply to Switch. If Nintendo produces enough units to surpass PS2 then they will eventually be sold, even if after Switch 2 launches.

I really don't know why folks are making this out to be more complicated than it is.

At least in Europe, there are often policies where retailers can return unsold goods. So yeah, it is absolutely possible (not in the stores, but in Sony's warehouse)

With that said, I would consider this a minimal amount. Nintendo will likely reach even 160m anyway.
Assuming Nintendo meets the forecast they will sit at 152,32m end of march.

Let's now assume 5,5-6 million in the next FY (a 50% drop, very realistic imho with the Switch 2 ouf there) will bring it to 157,82 or 0.5 more
Then it needs just 2,18 million in possibly his last year of life, not even accounting a likely extra 300 or 400k after being formally discontinued.

 

[DenchDeckard]

It would be great if we had a console/ hybrid / handheld / whatever the funk the Switch is outsell the ps2 just for some positivity. The switch really deserves it. Nintendo took a beating with the Wii U and bounced back creating their perfect device. It's been the best console I've owned since my snes back in the day.

 

[Topher]

At least in Europe, there are often policies where retailers can return unsold goods. So yeah, it is absolutely possible (not in the stores, but in Sony's warehouse)

With that said, I would consider this a minimal amount. Nintendo will likely reach even 160m anyway.
Assuming Nintendo meets the forecast they will sit at 152,32m end of march.

Let's now assume 5,5-6 million in the next FY (a 50% drop, very realistic imho with the Switch 2 ouf there) will bring it to 157,82 or 0.5 more
Then it needs just 2,18 million in possibly his last year of life, not even accounting a likely extra 300 or 400k after being formally discontinued.

Returned merchandise can be sold elsewhere as well. Typically at a steep discount. That will apply to Nintendo just it applies to anyone else. That's why I'm saying produced will eventually mean sold unless we are talking about a product that the manufacturer cannot even give the things away.

I have no doubt Switch will surpass 160 million if Nintendo decides to keep producing units until that number is reached. I am assuming they have that goal in mind. Probably trying to align the launch of Switch 2 with that.

 

[Mozza]

The timing was the PlayStation anniversary.

Yes I am sure that was the reason behind it, so when do we get some revised PS1 totals??

 

[Topher]

Yes I am sure that was the reason behind it, so when do we get some revised PS1 totals??

Doesn't apply. Unlike PS2, the final PS1 numbers were reported after PS1 ceased being produced.

PlayStation® Cumulative Production Shipments of Hardware ｜ CORPORATE INFORMATION ｜ Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.

Sony Computer Entertainment Corporate Site.

web.archive.org

 

[Woopah]

Yes I am sure that was the reason behind it, so when do we get some revised PS1 totals??

As far as I remember PS1 isn't one of the platforms we are missing numbers for.

Whereas for PS2 we've known for more than a decade that we don't have the final numbers.

 

[zedinen]

PS2 is cooked

 

[Lionel Richie]

Yes I am sure that was the reason behind it, so when do we get some revised PS1 totals??

Please understand, PS2 sold 1 zillion units!

 

[Robb]

I can only assume Switch had higher highs than Ps2 for some years, but even with a 11M forecast for FY24/25 they’d land at 152M.

Reaching a forecast of 5-6M for FY25/26 and then 2-3M for FY26/27 doesn’t sound very difficult for them.

 

[ハトリス]

Not all 160m produced PS2 consoles were sold.

 

[Topher]

Not all 160m produced PS2 consoles were sold.

They were sold

Sony Confirms the PlayStation 2 Has Sold Over 160 Million Consoles Worldwide - IGN

Sony has finally confirmed the lifetime sales of the PlayStation 2, coming in at a whopping 160 million consoles sold worldwide.

www.ign.com

2000 PlayStation 2 - PSP PlayStation Portable | PlayStation History timeline

The 30 years of PlayStation timeline continues with the launch of PlayStation 2, and later with PSP PlayStation Portable.

www.playstation.com

 

[Deerock71]

If they launch Switch 2 at $399, and simultaneously slash the price of the Switch to $199...they create an on-ramp to the Switch 2 BULLET TRAIN.

 

[Mozza]

As far as I remember PS1 isn't one of the platforms we are missing numbers for.

Whereas for PS2 we've known for more than a decade that we don't have the final numbers.

If you do not think the release of the final PS2 sales figures came at a time when the Switch was closing in on the original figure is a little off, then I am not sure what to tell you.

 

[Mozza]

Please understand, PS2 sold 1 zillion units!

No it just sold more than whatever the Switch manages to sell..

 

[Mozza]

Doesn't apply. Unlike PS2, the final PS1 numbers were reported after PS1 ceased being produced.

PlayStation® Cumulative Production Shipments of Hardware ｜ CORPORATE INFORMATION ｜ Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.

Sony Computer Entertainment Corporate Site.

web.archive.org

I see, they just decided not to give us the fianl PS2 numbers in the same way when that console was no longer being produced. Then waited from 2013 to 2024 to give us the final total. Of course the fact the Seitch was closing in on the original fugure has absolutley nothing to do with it. Sounds totally reasonable to me.

 

[Mozza]

+ 8 Million on WiiU.

Which is pretty impressive considering there were only 13 million Wii U consoles sold.

 

[Topher]

If you do not think the release of the final PS2 sales figures came at a time when the Switch was closing in on the original figure is a little off, then I am not sure what to tell you.

Analysts had already estimated the final number to be around 160 million. Sony just confirmed it during their anniversary celebration. That isn't really all that "off" at all.

I see, they just decided not to give us the fianl PS2 numbers in the same way when that console was no longer being produced. Then waited from 2013 to 2024 to give us the final total. Of course the fact the Seitch was closing in on the original fugure has absolutley nothing to do with it. Sounds totally reasonable to me.

In a way, Sony did Nintendo a favor by revealing the final, official number which enables Nintendo to plan on how long to keep selling Switch until it gets the record. Sony could have been a hell of a lot more devious here if they wanted to. Doesn't matter. Switch is going to beat 160 million.

 

[GigaBowser]

wii u was crud buuuuut i felled in love with nintendos argain this gen my friends

 

[Robb]

No it just sold more than whatever the Switch manages to sell..

 

[Alan Wake]

Switch keeps breaking records. And I didn't even believe much in it when it was first revealed.

Oddly enough, not only me but also our 7 year old have basically lost interest in mine/our Switch. I haven't touched it in months and he rarely uses it either. It's only Xbox and PS5 right now.

 

[Mozza]

Analysts had already estimated the final number to be around 160 million. Sony just confirmed it during their anniversary celebration. That isn't really all that "off" at all.



In a way, Sony did Nintendo a favor by revealing the final, official number which enables Nintendo to plan on how long to keep selling Switch until it gets the record. Sony could have been a hell of a lot more devious here if they wanted to. Doesn't matter. Switch is going to beat 160 million.

I am not all that botered either way. But I think people ignoring the obvious timing in all this is pretty pointless at this point.

 

[Mozza]

I think the fact the Switch is now sold 150 million consoles puts to bed the arguments about a consoles specs pushing it's sales. The Switch was weak hardware at launch and it has just continued to sell. It's only niche core hobby gamers that care about graphics and frame rates. This will continue with the inevitable Switch 2 complaints as well.

 

[Felessan]

I think the fact the Switch is now sold 150 million consoles puts to bed the arguments about a consoles specs pushing it's sales.

Portable market is different from home console market though
Switch didn't even reach NDS height yet

 

[ハトリス]

They were sold

Sony Confirms the PlayStation 2 Has Sold Over 160 Million Consoles Worldwide - IGN

Sony has finally confirmed the lifetime sales of the PlayStation 2, coming in at a whopping 160 million consoles sold worldwide.

www.ign.com

2000 PlayStation 2 - PSP PlayStation Portable | PlayStation History timeline

The 30 years of PlayStation timeline continues with the launch of PlayStation 2, and later with PSP PlayStation Portable.

www.playstation.com

No they weren't. 160m were produced. A lot of them were used as demo stations at conventions, retail stores, replacements for warranty reasons etc. We received 5 PS2s from Sony directly for our youth center back in the day. Didn't pay anything. And I bet we weren't the only ones. We know the exact number of produced PS2s. To claim that all of the produced PS2s were sold is just pure lying.

 

[Hookshot]

So the PlayStation Vita also outsold the Switch whenever they decide to make up the figures at a later date?

 

[Mozza]

So the PlayStation Vita also outsold the Switch whenever they decide to make up the figures at a later date?

I think the Vita outselling it would be pushing things a tad too far....

 

[Mozza]

Portable market is different from home console market though
Switch didn't even reach NDS height yet

It's not all that different. Hence why the Pro versions do not sell that well compared to the base models. Again it's pretty much core hobby gamers.

What when the Switch not only passes the NDS but also the PS2..... What then?..

 

[Topher]

I am not all that botered either way. But I think people ignoring the obvious timing in all this is pretty pointless at this point.

This whole controversy is contrived and pointless

 

[LordOcidax]

10/10

 

[yurinka]

Where Sony found the extra sales.

11 years later.

Yeah, those PS2 sales only add up to 147.34m. LTD magically 160m... lol

Back then, the last public number for PS2 shared was MORE THAN 155M (without specifying) as of over a year before getting discontinued. Doing some numbers, we always knew the final total number had to be somewhere between 158M and 161M.

Sony didn't publicly reveal that exact final number (160M) until recently. They didn't add anything. They simply publicly revealed the precise number that they didn't share before.

Not all 160m produced PS2 consoles were sold.

No they weren't. 160m were produced.

According to Sony, produced and as the screenshot of the website that you are quoting says, sold.

 

[LordOcidax]

In relation with PS2 160 Million sales adjustment , the theory is that they mixed the PS2 and PS3 sales from that era in their reports… Also in that era the PS3 sales pulled ahead in terms of of sales vs the X360 at the end… My question is… If the sales were mixed, did they subtracted those sales to the PS3 due the adjustment? And now the X360 has the lead again? I mean… sales were supposed mixed, if the PS2 number go Up the PS3 needs to go Down… As a good analyst i want to know your opinion on this Luminoth-4545 .. And this Topic could be thread worthy?

 

[Hookshot]

A dedicated gaming machine is going to surpass a hybrid dvd player, and that’s a good thing. Don’t cry when it happens just remember the PS2 memories….. of watching Titanic on it.

 

[Mozza]

This whole controversy is contrived and pointless

No controversy at all. It's pretty clear what happend. I do not remember a single console getting revised sales figures eleven years after it stoped being produced.

 

[Woopah]

If you do not think the release of the final PS2 sales figures came at a time when the Switch was closing in on the original figure is a little off, then I am not sure what to tell you.

That may have been a factor in their decision. But I don't see why that matters.

From a PS2 vs. Switch perspective, it just means we will know which one sold more, instead of having to guess.

In relation with PS2 160 Million sales adjustment , the theory is that they mixed the PS2 and PS3 sales from that era in their reports… Also in that era the PS3 sales pulled ahead in terms of of sales vs the X360 at the end… My question is… If the sales were mixed, did they subtracted those sales to the PS3 due the adjustment? And now the X360 has the lead again? I mean… sales were supposed mixed, if the PS2 number go Up the PS3 needs to go Down… As a good analyst i want to know your opinion on this Luminoth-4545 .. And this Topic could be thread worthy?

They combined console and handheld hardware sales. So they gave us a PS2 + PS3 number for the fiscal year ending March 2013. They didn't take PS2 sales and count them as PS3 sales.

 

[Mozza]

Back then, the last public number for PS2 shared was MORE THAN 155M (without specifying) as of over a year before getting discontinued. Doing some numbers, we always knew the final total number had to be somewhere between 158M and 161M.

Sony didn't publicly reveal that exact final number (160M) until recently. They didn't add anything. They simply publicly revealed the precise number that they didn't share before.



According to Sony, produced and as the screenshot of the website that you are quoting says, sold.

I believe you.

 

[Mozza]

I guess I am just far more cynical with all this than you. And yes the actual figures do not matter, it's only sony's timing that makes me raise my eyebrows.

 

[mèx]

Come on Sony bros, no need to get riled up about people joking about the new shipment number. It's just that the timing is objectively too funny, it has the same vibe as this:

 

[LordOcidax]

That may have been a factor in their decision. But I don't see why that matters.

From a PS2 vs. Switch perspective, it just means we will know which one sold more, instead of having to guess.

They combined console and handheld hardware sales. So they gave us a PS2 + PS3 number for the fiscal year ending March 2013. They didn't take PS2 sales and count them as PS3 sales.

Ok, but were is the PS3 adjustment? Why only affected the PS2 number?

The theory is that the PS2 sales were reported as PS3 sales in the financial report.

 

[Hudo]

MK8 sold 67 Million?? Am I reading that right?

Mario Kart 8 could sustain the fucking company at this point.

 

[Topher]

No they weren't. 160m were produced. A lot of them were used as demo stations at conventions, retail stores, replacements for warranty reasons etc. We received 5 PS2s from Sony directly for our youth center back in the day. Didn't pay anything. And I bet we weren't the only ones. We know the exact number of produced PS2s. To claim that all of the produced PS2s were sold is just pure lying.

The number actually produced was more than 160 million. Sony said 160 million so that is the number. If you are going to start doubting sales numbers because of nonsensical shit like retail units then do the same for Nintendo.

 

[mckmas8808]

It’s very good in comparison to Sony (12%) but in tech as a whole you have Microsoft with profit margins of 35% and Apples is nearly 50%. Tencent also around 30%.

I remember Sony wanted Playstation to get back to 10% profit margins. Do you know what Xbox game division's profit margins are?