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Nintendo says the transition to its next console is ‘a major concern for us’
daveonezero
Banned
Yeah. backwards compatible with accessories and games. It doesn't even have to change form factor. If they do the OLED like design and just release new joycons that would be perfect. Innovation can come in the form of new games and crazy controller ideas. Just keep the Switch base platform going.
Literally like the handhelds. GBA>DS>3ds If they screw this up Switch will be my last console and I'll go get a Steam Deck or similar.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Nintendo you have to put up with a little more, 2 more years of Switch is good.
At least, I don't want a successor right away, Switch is for me the phoenix of Nintendo.
At least, I don't want a successor right away, Switch is for me the phoenix of Nintendo.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
switch U
Kataploom
Gold Member
Almost every Nintendo main franchise is for core gamers... Have you tried 3D Mario post-game levels? They require some investment to beat. Haven't played it but people say current DK games are not for sweet candies. Xenoblade is one of the most hardcore investment requiring JRPG on the market since its deep mechanics. Smash... If you've played a couple smash matches and then seen some competitive game I don't have to say anything else.
What do you mean by "core gamers"? "Games aimed at adults"? Because I couldn't count very cinematic AAA games as "core" if by skills and investment we're going. If anything, Nintendo japanese approach to gameplay makes them more "core" targeted than most western devs.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
you probably wouldnt like it, but oooo if you could buy different docks that supported different older consoles...
for example, you could buy a gamecube dock that includes a gamecube disc drive and controller ports.
or an N64 dock that accepts cartridges and controllers.
no software emulation, with native 4k output.
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Woopah
Member
All of those are traditional franchises that appeal to core gamers. There's not really a clear divide between "core" and "casual".
Kataploom
Gold Member
There is... Games that require investment in order to get good at them... Smash, Mario (post-game), competitive pokemon, Mario Kart, hell Zelda BOTW is hard at the beginning (you'll die a lot, and even after if you're not careful), etc. are as "core" you can think since they require player investment... Even freaking Animal Crossing if you're deep into online market and trading stuff... Beating a game story with pretty graphics? That's as casual as one can get.
Woopah
Member
Right, it's all down to player activity rather game design. Almost every game can be played casually or hardcorely.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
As long as people aren't abandoning switch honestly Nintendo doesn't have a lot of reason to go to Switch 2.
They aren't in any sort of tech arms race like Sony/MS are with each other. People who think Steam Deck is a threat are high on their own supply.
Making a Switch 2, having to make games BC across the 2 devices during some transition period, etc. is more costly than just continuing to sell Switch to people and make games for the massive userbase that is still shelling out for software. Switch 2 would probably lower their profit margin as well for a while.
They'll do it.. Switch 2 is coming.. but the "concern" really is for how a new gen effects their financials, and nothing else. Look for stagnation in financials unrelated to COVID swings/recessions and then you'll see it come out.
They aren't in any sort of tech arms race like Sony/MS are with each other. People who think Steam Deck is a threat are high on their own supply.
Making a Switch 2, having to make games BC across the 2 devices during some transition period, etc. is more costly than just continuing to sell Switch to people and make games for the massive userbase that is still shelling out for software. Switch 2 would probably lower their profit margin as well for a while.
They'll do it.. Switch 2 is coming.. but the "concern" really is for how a new gen effects their financials, and nothing else. Look for stagnation in financials unrelated to COVID swings/recessions and then you'll see it come out.
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darkangel-212559
Banned
Lol people in this thread talking about BC like it's even in the realm of possibility. Look how they ruined Virtual Console just to sell the same old emulators but this time via a terrible subscription service.
You'll get select ports of select Switch games (This time in 4K!) with slighty bumped up graphics for full price and Nintendo will laugh in your face as they always do.
You'll get select ports of select Switch games (This time in 4K!) with slighty bumped up graphics for full price and Nintendo will laugh in your face as they always do.
Robb
Gold Member
I’m sure they’ll do remakes and stuff for “Switch 2”, but isn’t Nintendo one if the best at backwards comparability?
GBA fully supported GB
DS fully supported GBA
Wii fully supported GC
3DS fully supported DS
WiiU fully supported Wii
If anything Switch is an outlier.
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IntentionalPun
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I dunno.. what they said about wanting to make sure Switch 2 "built on their Switch userbase" (paraphrasing) sure sounded like BC was in the cards.
Did you forget Wii-U was BC with Wii? Wii was BC with GC at launch?
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darkangel-212559
Banned
Yup Switch is an outier and my concern is that if they've seen their new way of doing things are more profitable than they'll keep it that way.
darkangel-212559
Banned
Could simply mean designing a next gen console that is still portable. Doesn't have to mean BC.
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Eddie-Griffin
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Nintendo knows that they will not be able to prevent the baby from going out the window with the bath water twice in a row using the same formula. Nintendo does not want another Wii>Wii U repeat. Or a DS>3DS.
I personally believe that's going to happen, they are going to have a new Switch that will be either be Switch OLED priced, or will be the reg Switches price and Nintendo will only slightly drop prices. Either way it will impact early adopters and the only key difference other than an obvious spec improvement, will be some other gimmick.
For the 3DS it was 3D, which Nintendo started offering models without that sold pretty well themselves.
For Switch 2 I expect whatever gimmick it has to differentiate from the Switch will go the same route. Only difference is there wont be competition to hurt early sales like the Vita did to the 3DS when they first launched, so Nintendo will eventually recover, but I don't see Switch 2 doing more than 3DS. Many of the Switch users or parents aren't going to care about a Switch 2 spec bump, they are going to see the popular selling Switch is now $199 and the games are cheaper than the new one.
Nintendo always surprises with a hit whether it was legitimately earned or not, and then rolls down the top of the hill every time after. I don't see why this would be any different than the last 4 times.
I personally believe that's going to happen, they are going to have a new Switch that will be either be Switch OLED priced, or will be the reg Switches price and Nintendo will only slightly drop prices. Either way it will impact early adopters and the only key difference other than an obvious spec improvement, will be some other gimmick.
For the 3DS it was 3D, which Nintendo started offering models without that sold pretty well themselves.
For Switch 2 I expect whatever gimmick it has to differentiate from the Switch will go the same route. Only difference is there wont be competition to hurt early sales like the Vita did to the 3DS when they first launched, so Nintendo will eventually recover, but I don't see Switch 2 doing more than 3DS. Many of the Switch users or parents aren't going to care about a Switch 2 spec bump, they are going to see the popular selling Switch is now $199 and the games are cheaper than the new one.
Nintendo always surprises with a hit whether it was legitimately earned or not, and then rolls down the top of the hill every time after. I don't see why this would be any different than the last 4 times.
Robb
Gold Member
Could be. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt considering how dedicated they’ve been towards it in the past.
Switch not supporting WiiU made sense considering how different they are. But if “Switch 2” uses cartridges and a similar architecture I’d definitely expect it to be backwards compatible.
It’s a great incentive for current Switch owners to upgrade as well, and since they’re going to sell at least 125M I think they’d go for it.
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Sorcerer
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I would imagine they have pigeonholed themselves into simply more powerful Switch iterations. Unless they want to compete with the big boys on power there is no other road to go down. But they are probably fretting that they will not have an excuse to once again shut down the store and make you buy the same games again, if they just keep releasing more powerful Switch hardware.
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IntentionalPun
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Sure it could.
I just think you are a little too sure it won't.
It could go either way IMO. Nintendo has a an OK history overall w/ BC.. and from a tech standpoint all rumors point to it just being the next-gen successor chipset from nVidia.
It's not just an outlier for Nintendo to not have BC in the modern era it's an outlier in the entire market. People expect a new device to support their old software, particularly digital copies.
Lunarorbit
Gold Member
Yup. Totally agree. I like how someone was bragging about how Nintendo brought industry leaders to work on metroid prime 4, like that's something to be proud of. A series who started 20 years ago which they pawned off the last iteration onto outside team.
They've decided to barely work on the internet infrastructure and their lame ass nso which is bare bones in terms of game offerings.
I've owned a Nintendo system since 1988 and while I'm appreciative of their innovations and IP they need to get their shit together. Just cause they've sold a lot of systems doesn't mean I trust them to get into the 21st century
Roman Empire
Member
Imagine being the only console manufacturer who doesn't embrace any semblance of Backwards Compatibility, going against what the whole industry is trying to embrace (some forcefully so but still doing it somehow). That wouldn't bode well for Nintendo.
daveonezero
Banned
They literally did it better than all the other consoles in home and portable systems over the last few generations.
Yes digital is pretty bad but the DS was great for bc, so was the GC to Wii
It would be weird if they switch cart formats or something.
onnextflix5
Member
It sounds like next system won’t be backwards compatible. Back to AMD?
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
You can bet your ass that Ninty don’t want to support Switch games.
I wouldn’t be surprised if next console is 100% digital to screw over all the people that bought physical games.
I wouldn’t be surprised if next console is 100% digital to screw over all the people that bought physical games.
IntentionalPun
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Nintendo, who has the highest % of physical buyers in the industry... is going to..
Go all digital?
TheDreadLord
Member
It would be cool if they extended the switch concept to use more the dock and, therefore, extend the system capabilities when docked…. perhaps some sort of co-processor or at least a proper scaler from 720p/1080p to 4K. In handheld mode you don’t actually need to go much beyond 720p, which an updated Tegra is probably capable of.
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ManaByte
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Nintendo, the company who has held an iron grip on software since the NES days and controls the medium their games are published on will go digital only?
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Hey happy to be proven wrong. They could in theory change the dimensions of the cartridge. I seriously doubt they will offer physical backwards compatibility with Switch games. They will want to sell you digital versions of Switch games and put the 2nd hand market to rest.
As I say happy to be proven wrong.
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KingT731
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Did you see how much some of those Wii U games didn't sell and then proceeded to do over 1M+ on low effort ports to the Switch? You damn right they're more profitable lol. Hell MK8 Deluxe sold over 45M on the Switch lol.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Nobody bought the Wii-U though.
So why would that become some pattern?
People bought things on Switch because everyone abandoned Wii-U. That doesn't mean a Switch 2 that abandons BC would suddenly be able to sell yet another billion copies of MK8.
I really think most of you are reading into this backwards... it's Nintendo practically screaming "We are making Switch 2 fully BC" to me.. not the other way around.
And this isn't copium because I couldn't care less personally lol I won't be playing any Switch games on Switch 2.. I'll probably buy it though.
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KingT731
Member
I said nothing about them abandoning BC just that they have seen and know it's easy money to release simple ports.
IntentionalPun
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Ok gotcha. The person you responded to was elaborating on why they think BC won't happen, so got a little confused.
ManaByte
Banned
They only sold 13.5M Wii Us, its highest selling game was Mario Kart 8 at 8M. Those are WORLDWIDE numbers. They're not simple ports, they're recouping the development costs due to the games being released on a console no one bought. It's giving them a second chance because most people buying them never played them on their original console.
Apocryphon
Member
3DSwitch incoming..
Apocryphon
Member
Can't see them abandoning the portable/hybrid form factor. Size, BC, and battery life will limit what they can do in terms of horsepower but the Tegra X1 chipset is small enough to be included to handle BC alongside something more capable. That said, I suspect they're locked into Nvidia mobile SoCs for now. The Jetson Orin NX 8GB is probably the best we can hope for.
Banjo64
cumsessed
This only really applies to their home consoles (in that context, you’re absolutely right).
However, every major handheld they’ve released since the Game Boy has been an absolute juggernaut;
- Game Boy (Color) – 119 million
- Game Boy Advance – 82 million
- Nintendo DS – 154 million
- Nintendo 3DS – 76 million
- Nintendo Switch – 111 million
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KingT731
Member
How much do you think the budget is on Nintendo's games? Honest question.
HofT
Banned
It's also because the games they ported we're on the Wii U which is their worse selling console and a huge failure. Not many people got to play those game so I can see the mentality of porting over and branding them as "new".
Next console will not have that luxury. Everyone and their dog has a Switch and played its games and I think that's what worries Nintendo. They HAVE TO make a lot new games for their new console. The market will not buy what they already played last generation. And making the New Switch backwards compatible will help sales and fill gaps.
Woopah
Member
We are seeing hardware decline already and software will start declining next year too. So that stagnation is getting pretty close.
Now that Nintendo is getting subscription money, that gives them a big big incentive for people's digital accounts (and games) to carry over to the next system.
Especially when Switch ports on the next system would perform much much worse than Wii U ports on Switch.
PlayStation Vita was a failure out of the gate, it certainly wasn't the cause of 3DS early troubles.