Woopah
Member
It's basically up to the hardware manufacturer. Sony upgraded the PS4 to the PS4 Pro and counted it as the same sales. Microsoft upgraded the Xbox One to the Xbox Series S and counted it as different sales.
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Nintendo says the transition to its next console is ‘a major concern for us’
93xfan
Banned
New console means it will have some exclusive content the old system couldn’t play. PS5 and Xbox Series have exclusive games the prior gen cannot play.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Because the Series S is not the same generation as the Xbox One.
Woopah
Member
Right, because the manufacturer gets to decide which upgrades count as a new generation and which count as the same generation. That was my point.
ManaByte
Gold Member
No, the hardware decides. The PS4 Pro still had the same Jaguar CPU as the PS4, thus it was still part of that generation. The Xbox Series S has the same Zen CPU Series X, and is part of that generation; not the Xbox One gen.
Raploz
Member
As long as they don't try to reinvent the wheel they should be fine. Portable gaming has always been their bread and butter. They knew that and with their dedicated console sales declining gen over gen, the only way forward for them was the Switch. They managed to make a successful console and completely integrated their portable/home teams. I'm sure they won't go back to the separate home console/portable route, which means the only way forward for them is to continue on the Switch path. I'm sure they'll probably try to add some gimmick to entice customers to upgrade, but the core experience will stay the same.
SportsFan581
Member
I'm still shocked there isn't a TV only "switch" yet. Drop the battery and the screen, could probably cheapen the cooling since the device wouldn't need to be as thin.
Woopah
Member
The Wii has very similar architecture as the GameCube. It could have been part of the same generation as the GameCube or a different generation, depending on how Nintendo branded and marketed it.
nikos
Member
I didn't mock anybody though. Nintendo put out some consoles that seemed gimmicky to me. I still bought them, along with every console they've put out since NES, often multiples of each. Same goes for other manufacturers.
Just because your posts got modded doesn't mean everybody else's should.
sachos
Member
My top 3 wishes for the Switch 2: Backwards compatible, automatic improvements on BC games like what Xbox Series and PS5 does, home console only (not portable) version that would be strong enough to run the Switch 2 games with modern resolutions and stable framerates (games would ofcourse be developed with the portable version in mind).
Rykan
Member
I don't know why this is being so overcomplicated.
A new generation means a new line of hardware. How much the hardware has improved over the previous one or how similar it is is largely irrelevant. If games require you to purchase new hardware and won't run on old hardware, it's a new generation.
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Tams
Member
No, I'm not seriously. It was a joke. Too advanced for you apparently though.Are you seriously calling upon mods because I said Nintendo has used gimmicks in the past?
But if we're going to be all serious like you, then you did use the term 'gimmick' which is almost exclusively used as a derogatory term. And that's certainly how you meant it.
GamesDontSuck
Member
Problem is how will the "switch 2" (or whatever they call it) be innovative. That seems to be where Nintendo has been at the last 15 years.
Wii - motion controller.
WiiU - tablet but wasn't successful
Switch - tablet and cool joycon functionality.
Switch 2 - where do we go from here?
Wii - motion controller.
WiiU - tablet but wasn't successful
Switch - tablet and cool joycon functionality.
Switch 2 - where do we go from here?
Tams
Member
I can't see them tying their fortunes to another company like that, nor do I think it would be a good idea.
Woopah
Member
That doesn't work either since the Gameboy Colour, DSi and new 3DS had exclusive software but were not new generations. Meanwhile the Xbox Series was a new generation at launch without any exclusive software.
What defines a generation is when the hardware manufacturer says it's one.
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Rykan
Member
But thats a bit nitpicky though. The gameboy colour has always been a topic of discussion whether its a new generation gameboy or an iteration of the original gameboy, but the DSi and "New" 3DS both shared the overwhelming majority of games with their original counterparts, the DS and original 3DS respectively. The amount of exclusive games are very minor.
Compared to say, the series console. Yeah most games are multi generational now because its still early, but the overwhelming majority of Series games won't be playable on Xbone hardware by the end of the generation/
The PS4 and PS4 pro share the exact same software lineup, but the Xbone and Series S will eventually have very different software lineups. I think it's prety apparent that there's a clear difference.
Woopah
Member
I'm not arguing with any of that, I'm just saying that the rule of "If games require you to purchase new hardware and won't run on old hardware, it's a new generation" is not true.
The main decider on whether something is a new generation or not is what the manufacturer says. We don't need to wait for the majority of Xbox Series games to be unplayable on Xbox One before declaring it a next generation console. We already knew that because Microsoft marketed it as a next generation console.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
It seems Switch is too successful for them to move on.
Why would you release a successor when you continue to have one of the most successful platforms in history?
Why would you release a successor when you continue to have one of the most successful platforms in history?
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Just release a Switch 2 with the specs being within the ballpark of a PS4/Xbone/PS4 Pro/XBONE X and I'll be a happy camper
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
The next console needs to be able to fully play the Switch library, and arguably, should be able to carry over your Switch account and record of purchases, save data, cloud backup, etc. Like the way that Series X/S and PS5 are with their old-gen versions. No more starting over from scratch.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
The vast majority of switch owners are casual gamers. Convincing them and especially their parents to buy a brand new console just because it has better graphics has always been a hard sell for Nintendo.
This is why Sony and Microsoft really have left the kid-friendly games to Nintendo and focused their attention on older gamers who can largely buy their own consoles. Both companies used to put a lot more into kid/family-friendly gaming when they were competing directly with Nintendo.
Look up Nintendo console sales history. They are better off coming up with a new type of console with a new gimmick, but gimmicks can be hit or miss. It's dangerous.
There is a reason people are still buying Mario Kart and it continues to be a top seller. The base Switch games are all you need.
You come out with Zelda 2 on a Switch 2 and it doesn't work on Switch... oh boy, that game is not going to sell nearly as well. If the game works for both, now no one will buy the Switch 2 (no one, meaning the vast majority of people who own the Switch already).
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
I don't think this is true at all. Switch is a very gamer-centric console, vs the DS & Wii. The top-selling games are not casual games.
And if you make a new console, with a different name, and show the goods with new games, a new platform should do fine. Maybe not repeat Switch-level success, but they'll do just fine. Like you point out, series like Mario Kart and Pokemon are popular with gamers + non-gamers and casual gamers. And Nintendo knows Mario Kart appeals far outside of the core gamer.
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
It's all in the wrist
Member
Switch, U!
Kabelly
Member
To me the definition of a casual gamer is someone who plays video games but it's not their main hobby.
People that play these games have hundreds and hundreds of hours in them. I would not consider that "casual."
Seems like another code word for "nintendo are baby games"
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Nintendo is doomed again. It must be a Monday.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
Not calling them baby games, but people who do play these games like mario party and mario kart would probably not necessarily consider themselves gamers nor would they buy considerably expensive consoles or upgrades just due to graphics.
That's how I'm defining casual, not as a pejorative.
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TheGodfather07
Member
Even Nintendo know they have a pattern of going from success to failure. Whether their next system succeeds or fails is anyone's guess.
There are steps they can take. Like not naming it something stupid. Just call it switch 2 and build off of the switch momentum and success but this is Nintendo we're taking about. They never do what anyone expect.
There are steps they can take. Like not naming it something stupid. Just call it switch 2 and build off of the switch momentum and success but this is Nintendo we're taking about. They never do what anyone expect.
Tams
Member
Mibu no ookami
Banned
I know you're trying to be funny, but the difference between a kid and an adult is money.
An adult can buy whenever they want and a kid can not. If that is lost on you, I'm not sure what to say.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
I guess people in their 20s and 30s need their parents to buy them consoles.......
Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2021/211105e.pdf
Switch isn't a gimmick. it's a console where you're able to play some of the best games in the industry on your TV or on the go at an affordable price.
I know you'd love to believe the Switch is the equivalent of Grandma and baby Billy having some giggles playing Wii Sports for a few random weekends, but unfortunately for you most of the Switch audience is here to stay and will be pumped to buy the Switch 2.
Don't think Nintendo is also after hardcore gamers? Look up the industry veterans they've been hiring for Metroid Prime 4.
Going to tell you right off the bat I don't believe this data and would love to see where they're coming up with the ages. Are 5 year olds creating accounts putting in their age as 5? Seriously asking. Or do their parents put in their age and the kid plays on their account?
Show me a time where Nintendo upgraded their device with just more power and sold more than the previous iteration, in their history.
That they're only on Metroid Prime 4 a franchise that started in 2002 (Prime) should tell you everything you need to know about how serious they are about core gamers...
Robb
Gold Member
I’m not certain, but I’m fairly sure that data was presented to investors as part of Nintendos financial results for a quarter, i.e. making it up would be illegal since it’d be misinformation.
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Full presentation
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
I'm not saying it's made up, I'm just saying the foundation of the data could be really misleading.
If they're basing it on the account data, then I guarantee you it is off base.
Robb
Gold Member
Not sure how that could be the case when there are staples for children at the age of 2 years old.
But maybe I’m misunderstanding what you mean. I couldn’t find how the data was derived in the presentation unfortunately.
Or do you mean that e.g. someone who’s 15-years-old have registered that they’re 2 etc.?
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
No, I'm saying in most of these cases the parents would have registered rather than the kids, so the kids would be under-represented and adults over represented.
There's a chance they just might. If we consider the handheld side, we see:
GB/GBC (if you consider them one platform)
GBA
DS
3DS
Switch
???
By that pattern, Switch 2 will be pretty similar with some minor gimmick.
The only thing is, Switch is also a console, and Nintendo's been all over the place on that side.
Robb
Gold Member
Ah, gotcha! Thanks for the clarification.
Could be for the higher age groups. Although I’d argue most people between 18-30, where the majority is, are unlikely to have children of their own. But that’s just a hunch.
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