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[WhiteWaterM00se]

Nintendo could sell this thing with nothing else but MK World for the rest of the year and they wouldn't be able to keep up with demand

I disagree.

During 2008-2013, the Great Recession caused gaming to flourish because people did not have the money to go out as often. Wii, Xbox Live & Kinect, PS3 Blu-ray player, and Netflix streaming saw a massive change in how we consume entertainment. All because it was affordable.

Fast forward to today, and we have had heavy inflation not seen since the 1970's. Gaming is clearly not affordable at the moment for many people.

Will Switch 2 sell out at launch? 100%, yes. (So did GC, Wii U and Vita) Everything usually sells out at launch.

But, by Jan or Feb 2026, I bet Switch 2 is easily found in stores. This was not true of the Switch, Wii, or DS.

 

[Effigenius]

This is hyperbole. It's not worse than the Series X launch lineup. The DS and 3DS were worse too. PS4 was worse.

 

[TheUndeadGamer]

There's Mario Kart World and some third parties. And their one game is $80 digital.

Wow you must be quite young. The N64 launch was much worse.

 

[brownfedora]

The original Switch had a horrible line-up too. There's wasn't much of anything on the Switch for over a year.

Uh Switch had perhaps the greatest launch title of all-time, Breath of the Wild. That's all it needed.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Wow you must be quite young. The N64 launch was much worse.

No it was not, SM64 was also quite the genre defining game and for as good as MKW is, saying they are equivalent is like praising GameChat as innovation instead of being years late to the party.

 

[Mephisto40]

Demon's Souls is a PS3 game bro.

And Mario Kart is an SNES game

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

And Mario Kart is an SNES game

Another one confused on remakes and new games. It's an epidemic.

 

[MaxwellParrish]

Its just one game though. That's kind of shit. Last time we had Zelda at launch as well as MK8 and a new Mario in the pipeline announced for release later that year.

Mario Kart 8 was a 3 year old WiiU game. If you count that as Switch title you should not only count Metroid 4 for Switch 2, but also the Switch 2 editions of games like BotW and TotK or Kirby

 

[CokeDiet]

It probably doesn't matter what games are ready at launch. Nintendo fans are as demented as Disney adults.

 

[bad guy]

Switch 2 Steam Deck

 

[Jubenhimer]

The launch is way better than what Switch 1 launched with. But the real test is with Mario Kart. The game looks good, but not $80 good, which is what people are upset about. And it's hard to fault them given how sloppy Nintendo handled pricing info for Switch 2.

But there is the Mario Kart World Direct in 2 weeks that delves into more detail, so Nintendo has from then until launch to try and convince us why this game costs as much as it does.

 

[Little Mac]

Switch 2 Steam Deck

I'm honestly considering it. I don't have a gaming pc. Just a MacBook Air. Regardless, I still participate in Steam sales every season and buy up well reviewed games that either run on Mac or have insane discounts regardless of the platform. Needless to say, I have a huge library of unplayed games on Steam.

 

[JohnSpartanLee]

Never wanted to play BotW at sub-30fps thus to me 60fps BotW + TotK (at higher resolutions) count as launch titles.

 

[SJRB]

Remake of a PS3 game and a demo is better than a new Mario Kart? Nah.

Someone: "There is only one launch game for the new Switch"
This guy: "That's more than PS5 had"
Someone: "objectively wrong because Demon's Souls and Astrobot" (which are two games and in fact double the amount of one, science and math are clear on these concepts for literal millennia)
This guy: "O yeah? Well those games suck anyway so they don't count"

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Subjectively, you can look at the list and think "there's nothing in there for me". Objectively, i think Nintendo has a solid lineup ready for the first 6 months of S2s lifespan. Like, if you're an investor and you're worrying if Nintendo has enough games ready across a certain variety of genres and so on, i think they did quite well given their audience.

 

[ADiTAR]

But there is the Mario Kart World Direct in 2 weeks that delves into more detail, so Nintendo has from then until launch to try and convince us why this game costs as much as it does.

That's what I'm thinking. And in the TreeHouse they also said there's more to the game than what they've shown.

Nintendo wouldn't do a MKW Direct after they already revealed so much, there's def more to the game. My guess is that it's gaas and will prob have courses change, special events, and more costumes etc. Prob like Splatoon.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Donkey Kong is owned by Microsoft since they bought Rare.

They never did and never will

 

[Windom Earle]

Guys pls understand this is such a rushed launch they obviously had no time to develop games with the short life cycle of the Switch. /s Crazy shit.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Remake of a PS3 game and a demo is better than a new Mario Kart? Nah.

Most people never played the obscure PS3 game. It was a new exclusive for the vast majority of PS5 buyers at launch. And is still the GOAT. On the other hand the vast majority of Switch gamers have already played Mario Kart to death. MK8 will be sufficient for many families for years to come for their kids.

 

[Woopah]

3DS launch was far worse than this, as they only had fucking Pilot Wings, Steel Diver, and Nintendogs + Cats(???? the hell was this launch???) for first party and a Street Fighter port on top of other mostly trash games (except Shadow Wars, I heard that one was the one good game at launch except Street Fighter). That, and the online shop didn't even work for three months. And the only other first party games that released within the first couple of months are two N64 ports. It took until fucking November for Super Mario 3D Land to come out... and the third party games that did launch around this time were either trash or ports of older but good games (one of the exceptions was the 3D Resident Evil Mercenaries game; come to think of it Capcom really did a lot of the heavy lifting in the launch window of the 3DS). Yeah, compare that to the Switch 2 launch day, much less launch year... yeah. It's astonishing how badly they fucked up the 3DS launch.

Can confirm, Shadow Wars was really fun

The original Switch had a horrible line-up too. There's wasn't much of anything on the Switch for over a year.

Switch 2 and a fantastic first for first party but a really dire one for third party. This time there's not

I am not buying a Switch 2.

But i was not moved by the 3rd party titles at launch. Civ looked good, Ridge racer was ok too. The 3rd parties were simply not good enough. Be honest.

I actually am starting to think all the hype about all the 3rd parties like Assassins Creed, Madden, FFVIIR, Baulders Gate, COD, MS and Sony has hurt Nintendo. It seems the consumer was lied too or possibly something went wrong with dev kits. Nintendo will have a hard time securing enough 3rd party to live up to the hype. Especially now, today did them no favors. Nor did Nintendo's response removing the Treehouse video. ROFL.

Maybe Nintendo should have set the direct up better and showed only games launching within 60 days of the system launch and then said, another Direct would come before June. Which would allowed more 3rd parties to be shown.

Right or Wrong. Nintendo is the current face of corporate greed. (Who would have thought!). At least for the moment anyway. 2k and Rockstar may say "hold my beer". Auto industry, food industry and pharmaceutical's must be whistling by the graveyard after today.

The gaming industry will course correct in time, and adjust prices and expectations. Unfortunately, due to a confluence of events, Nintendo appears to have picked the worst day and week possible to reveal the Switch 2.

The thing Nintendo is guilty of, is a lack of communication and transparency. I also think it appears Nintendo is out of touch with the worldwide market. That falls on Nintendo's leadership. I do think the excessive hype hurt Nintendo greatly, and it will be a lesson learned from this situation.

Madden and FFVII were announced though.

I wouldn't take the Direct as a complete list of third party titles planned. It's mostly launch window stuff and we'll see more third party Switch 2 games announced for 2025.

But if what is announced so far is not enough to make you buy one then that is completely understandable.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

Can confirm, Shadow Wars was really fun

Switch 2 and a fantastic first for first party but a really dire one for third party. This time there's not

Madden and FFVII were announced though.

I wouldn't take the Direct as a complete list of third party titles planned. It's mostly launch window stuff and we'll see more third party Switch 2 games announced for 2025.

But if what is announced so far is not enough to make you buy one then that is completely understandable.

Yeah, i know. Madden, FVIIR and Street Fighter are great! College Football would be better, but it doesn't speak to the mainstream. Everyone knows "Madden and FIFA" Etc.

Look. IMO, looking back on this…Switch 2 was set to fail from the first second of the Direct.

Not because the product was not good, I believe it is. I believe it is superior to STEAM DECK. The miscommunication was epic. An all timer.

People going in with the assumption that there was a June Direct and more will be shown was a mistake.

Either Nintendo needed to communicate that the games shown were coming in the first 60-90 days of launch and more will be discussed later -OR- THIS WAS NINTENDO'S E3 and you go ALL OUT!! I MEAN ALL OUT.

The reason was to show the price was justified in Switch 2, and you can get pretty much everything here. Simple. Switch 2 is an investment that you don't need other hardware for the average family.

It should have been Bonkers. MS has its own segment, Sony as well, Konami shows Metal Gear (if real), Red Dead 2 (if real), etc. This should have been non stop thrill ride with no let down at all. Something for everyone.

Let people know, there is no more Directs until September/October at the earliest. But you don't need another now.

I am a big proponent of "checking boxes". Checking categories, so to speak. Nintendo failed to do this. Show Sports (not just announce it), Show shooters, show farming sim (real and imaginary), Show cozy, show Western RPG, show JPRG, show racing (which we got), etc, etc, etc. Check every box, something for everyone.

They failed to do this. They tried to imitate the Switch 1 reveal and failed miserably.

They needed to show EVERYONE is here. EVERYONE! Hell, throw a Valve game in there too.

Open with Mario Kart and then go onto Hardware, then show 3rd parties then go onto first parties new and upgraded older titles.

I am big on transparency as well. They failed to be transparent as well. Again, another mistake.

Finally the pricing. That is a mess. End of story. I don't even have a problem with Mario Kart being $80. But Kirby Frogotten Lands Deluxe being $80, seems too much. Plus it creates confusion with DK being $70. It felt very, throw a price at the dart board. No rhyme or reason. I understand their logic, but the logic was faulty.

OG Switch 1 games need to probably go to $39.99, and upgraded games are $50, Deluxe games are $60, Switch 2 games are $70, and one or two exceptions are $80. (But the $80 will come with a cost, GaaS, no paid DLC, DLC is free).

Everyone would be ok with this if they explained it. They needed to be transparent and they were not. They couldn't explain anything, and seemed fearful in doing so. That is bad leadership. Truly. It feels like the messaging was a mess, and employees were set up to fail.

 

[Jubenhimer]

Everyone would be ok with this if they explained it. They needed to be transparent and they were not. They couldn't explain anything, and seemed fearful in doing so. That is bad leadership. Truly. It feels like the messaging was a mess, and employees were set up to fail.

This. Some people think this is just pure greed. No. This is simply incompetence, and it's a mess that Nintendo is going to have to clean up soon.

 

[K' Dash]

Donkey Kong is owned by Microsoft since they bought Rare.

 

[ADiTAR]

Yeah, i know. Madden, FVIIR and Street Fighter are great! College Football would be better, but it doesn't speak to the mainstream. Everyone knows "Madden and FIFA" Etc.

Look. IMO, looking back on this…Switch 2 was set to fail from the first second of the Direct.

Not because the product was not good, I believe it is. I believe it is superior to STEAM DECK. The miscommunication was epic. An all timer.

People going in with the assumption that there was a June Direct and more will be shown was a mistake.

Either Nintendo needed to communicate that the games shown were coming in the first 60-90 days of launch and more will be discussed later -OR- THIS WAS NINTENDO'S E3 and you go ALL OUT!! I MEAN ALL OUT.

The reason was to show the price was justified in Switch 2, and you can get pretty much everything here. Simple. Switch 2 is an investment that you don't need other hardware for the average family.

It should have been Bonkers. MS has its own segment, Sony as well, Konami shows Metal Gear (if real), Red Dead 2 (if real), etc. This should have been non stop thrill ride with no let down at all. Something for everyone.

Let people know, there is no more Directs until September/October at the earliest. But you don't need another now.

I am a big proponent of "checking boxes". Checking categories, so to speak. Nintendo failed to do this. Show Sports (not just announce it), Show shooters, show farming sim (real and imaginary), Show cozy, show Western RPG, show JPRG, show racing (which we got), etc, etc, etc. Check every box, something for everyone.

They failed to do this. They tried to imitate the Switch 1 reveal and failed miserably.

They needed to show EVERYONE is here. EVERYONE! Hell, throw a Valve game in there too.

Open with Mario Kart and then go onto Hardware, then show 3rd parties then go onto first parties new and upgraded older titles.

I am big on transparency as well. They failed to be transparent as well. Again, another mistake.

Finally the pricing. That is a mess. End of story. I don't even have a problem with Mario Kart being $80. But Kirby Frogotten Lands Deluxe being $80, seems too much. Plus it creates confusion with DK being $70. It felt very, throw a price at the dart board. No rhyme or reason. I understand their logic, but the logic was faulty.

OG Switch 1 games need to probably go to $39.99, and upgraded games are $50, Deluxe games are $60, Switch 2 games are $70, and one or two exceptions are $80. (But the $80 will come with a cost, GaaS, no paid DLC, DLC is free).

Everyone would be ok with this if they explained it. They needed to be transparent and they were not. They couldn't explain anything, and seemed fearful in doing so. That is bad leadership. Truly. It feels like the messaging was a mess, and employees were set up to fail.

I agree there's something really off with their communication, not sure if the team changed, but they explain the most mundane things in such a convoluted way. Like the previous Direct with the virtual game card, why wasn't this one line: you can now share your digital games with your other Switches. Done. No, it's remember the physical game card, so now we created this virtual one, and if you have a Switch and you have another Switch, and they are both in your hands at the moment in time when the moon is just right than you will be able to transfer if you have a Nintendo Switch account games between them and if you have a family membership than you also can share but only for two weeks.

The gamechat was also a mess, and it really didn't help the that audio sync was off during the entire direct and no one stopped it. You could tell immediately when Mario did the let's go and it wasn't in time with the punch up.

I don't agree with you on the games, I am 88% sure there will be another Direct before the console launches that will showcase more future reasons to but it. They showed a ton of games from a wide variety of developers coming to the system at launch and shortly after, plus an exclusive from a renowned director. I think they did a great job on that part. Hogwarts and Cyberpunk are great gets for launch.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

Look, I was a little kid and got the original NES for Xmas. It was my most treasured gift, I ever received as a child. Nintendo has magic no one else can replicate.

But, now i am an adult and currently financially carrying two households. So, I definitely feel the inflation. Nintendo needs to clearly explain to me why I want a Switch 2 and what I am getting for my money. They have failed to do this clearly.

Everyone right now should feel "it is go time", in whatever capacity you operate in. Everyone should be trying to put their best foot forward, as a student, as an employee, as a business owner, as a spouse or family member. The world is in a rough spot from the pandemic and it is has not fully recovered. Everyone needs to give their best effort to get this turned around, for all of us. Nintendo didn't do that this week.

Hopefully, Nintendo does some soul searching and I am sure, they will get another opportunity to present their message.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

I agree there's something really off with their communication, not sure if the team changed, but they explain the most mundane things in such a convoluted way. Like the previous Direct with the virtual game card, why wasn't this one line: you can now share your digital games with your other Switches. Done. No, it's remember the physical game card, so now we created this virtual one, and if you have a Switch and you have another Switch, and they are both in your hands at the moment in time when the moon is just right than you will be able to transfer if you have a Nintendo Switch account games between them and if you have a family membership than you also can share but only for two weeks.

The gamechat was also a mess, and it really didn't help the that audio sync was off during the entire direct and no one stopped it. You could tell immediately when Mario did the let's go and it wasn't in time with the punch up.

I don't agree with you on the games, I am 88% sure there will be another Direct before the console launches that will showcase more future reasons to but it. They showed a ton of games from a wide variety of developers coming to the system at launch and shortly after, plus an exclusive from a renowned director. I think they did a great job on that part. Hogwarts and Cyberpunk are great gets for launch.

Yeah, imo. I don't think another Direct prior to launch was a good idea. I would have had all my messaging in one place. Then had their "hands on" experiences around the world and YouTube TreeHouses weekly for all the games leading to launch.

 

[ADiTAR]

Look, I was a little kid and got the original NES for Xmas. It was my most treasured gift, I ever received as a child. Nintendo has magic no one else can replicate.

But, now i am an adult and currently financially carrying two households. So, I definitely feel the inflation. Nintendo needs to clearly explain to me why I want a Switch 2 and what I am getting for my money. They have filed to do this.

Everyone right now should feel "it is go time", in whatever capacity you operate in. As a student, as an employee, as a business owner, as a spouse or family member. The world is in a rough spot from the pandemic and it is has not fully recovered. Everyone needs to give their best effort to get this turned around, for all of us. Nintendo didn't do that this week.

Hopefully, Nintendo does some soul searching and I am sure, they will get another opportunity to present their message.

I don't agree with that, I think you saw a lot of people coming out and say "I'm buying it". Forum dwellers not included.

I have a friend who was on the fence and this Direct sold it to him.
Personally, I haven't seen anything for me to buy it. I'll play MP4 on the og.

They also launched Nintendo Today that you will also get stuff from, so I think they are trying to expend the ways they communicate, I just feel like they can't articulate simplicity the way they used to.

 

[ReyBrujo]

Uh Switch had perhaps the greatest launch title of all-time, Breath of the Wild. That's all it needed.

A Wii U game. You will also have Breath of the Wild for Switch 2 so that's all you need.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

I don't agree with that, I think you saw a lot of people coming out and say "I'm buying it". Forum dwellers not included.

I have a friend who was on the fence and this Direct sold it to him.
Personally, I haven't seen anything for me to buy it. I'll play MP4 on the og.

They also launched Nintendo Today that you will also get stuff from, so I think they are trying to expend the ways they communicate, I just feel like they can't articulate simplicity the way they used to.

100% it sells out. That was never in doubt. Big tech nowadays always sellout. FOMO is a real thing. Don't go by the launch numbers.

My personal belief is we as a society are run too much at times by analytics. We have lost the "gut feel" for situations. My "gut" is telling me, Nintendo had a bad week, and it will take a little work to get this corrected.

If you guys go back to my comments during the reveal Direct, i said "something feels off" during the Direct. That what "my gut" was saying. Same feeling i had with Wii U. Switch 2 will outsell Wii U lifetime in Switch 2's first year on market.

If for some reason a tariff agreement is not reached by the end of April, i do not think Nintendo launches Switch 2 in NA the same time as everyone else. I do not know what happens then. I imagine the messaging becomes harder to control because everyone will have their own "hands on" experience to tell you about over social media. This is really a tricky situation, with no clear path forward at the moment.

I feel very badly for the Nintendo employees actually. They have gone from a "celebratory time" to a "wartime scenario" in 3 days. Truly remarkable. No one could have predicted this.

 

[GoldenEye98]

Gamers keeping using metrics that applied 30 years ago.

You are not getting distinct "launch lineups" anymore. The lines between systems are much more blurred.

 

[ADiTAR]

100% it sells out. That was never in doubt. Big tech nowadays always sellout. FOMO is a real thing. Don't go by the launch numbers.

My personal belief is we as a society are run too much at times by analytics. We have lost the "gut feel" for situations. My "gut" is telling me, Nintendo had a bad week, and it will take a little work to get this corrected.

If you guys go back to my comments during the reveal Direct, i said "something feels off" during the Direct. That what "my gut" was saying. Same feeling i had with Wii U. Switch 2 will outsell Wii U lifetime in Switch 2's first year on market.

If for some reason a tariff agreement is not reached by the end of April, i do not think Nintendo launches Switch 2 in NA the same time as everyone else. I do not know what happens then. I imagine the messaging becomes harder to control because everyone will have their own "hands on" experience to tell you about over social media. This is really a tricky situation, with no clear path forward at the moment.

I feel very badly for the Nintendo employees actually. They have gone from a "celebratory time" to a "wartime scenario" in 3 days. Truly remarkable. No one could have predicted this.

The audio felt off, I think that's what tanked the Direct for me. It was very hard to follow until I switched to the UK one.

But I do agree, my initial thought was it was a bad Direct and it felt like the WiiU where too much unnecessary shit was put in the console for no reason (the C button is dumb, the Race&Drag game looks bad). But, when I rewatched and watched again, I think it was a good direct. The prob should've started with the launch games, and then moved to the C button shit it was too cringy old Nintendo and not cool like the first Switch reveal.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

Gamers keeping using metrics that applied 30 years ago.

You are not getting distinct "launch lineups" anymore. The lines between systems are much more blurred.

I agree. But i do consider 'launch window" even more important that "launch lineup" was back in the day. They didn't show launch window well either. Again though, i suspect they get another chance to reintroduce this Switch 2.

 

[GoldenEye98]

I agree. But i do consider 'launch window" even more important that "launch lineup" was back in the day. They didn't show launch window well either. Again though, i suspect they get another chance to reintroduce this Switch 2.

It's basically Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong for the main exclusives in the "launch window"....

Everything else is basically QoL hardware upgrade related in terms of selling points over Switch 1.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

It's basically Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong for the main exclusives in the "launch window"....

Everything else is basically QoL hardware upgrade related in terms of selling points over Switch 1.

I understand. I meant 3rd parties as well. Is the Wheel Chair game a launch day game? When is MP4? None of this was communicated.

Again, i suspect if Nintendo wants to or not, another Direct is in their near future.

 

[Pasta la Vista]

Uh Switch had perhaps the greatest launch title of all-time, Breath of the Wild. That's all it needed.

Wii U game.

 

[GoldenEye98]

I understand. I meant 3rd parties as well. Is the Wheel Chair game a launch day game? When is MP4? None of this was communicated.

Again, i suspect if Nintendo wants to or not, another Direct is in their near future.

Wheel Chair game is more a tech demo than anything.

MP4 still doesn't have a specific release date as far as I'm aware. It could be a system seller of sorts but isn't an exclusive to Switch 2.

 

[RoadHazard]

Yeah, I mean, MKW is the only announced game I'm really interested in except for MP4, but that doesn't have a date yet. 3rd party games I'll play on my PS5 where they're generally much better.

 

[RoadHazard]

Wii U game.

It's as much a Switch game, and that version sold waaaaay more. The Wii U version was only released because that's what was originally promised, if Nintendo thought they could get away with cancelling that version they would have. Nobody thinks of BotW as a Wii U game.

 

[Woopah]

Yeah, i know. Madden, FVIIR and Street Fighter are great! College Football would be better, but it doesn't speak to the mainstream. Everyone knows "Madden and FIFA" Etc.

Look. IMO, looking back on this…Switch 2 was set to fail from the first second of the Direct.

Not because the product was not good, I believe it is. I believe it is superior to STEAM DECK. The miscommunication was epic. An all timer.

People going in with the assumption that there was a June Direct and more will be shown was a mistake.

Either Nintendo needed to communicate that the games shown were coming in the first 60-90 days of launch and more will be discussed later -OR- THIS WAS NINTENDO'S E3 and you go ALL OUT!! I MEAN ALL OUT.

The reason was to show the price was justified in Switch 2, and you can get pretty much everything here. Simple. Switch 2 is an investment that you don't need other hardware for the average family.

It should have been Bonkers. MS has its own segment, Sony as well, Konami shows Metal Gear (if real), Red Dead 2 (if real), etc. This should have been non stop thrill ride with no let down at all. Something for everyone.

Let people know, there is no more Directs until September/October at the earliest. But you don't need another now.

I am a big proponent of "checking boxes". Checking categories, so to speak. Nintendo failed to do this. Show Sports (not just announce it), Show shooters, show farming sim (real and imaginary), Show cozy, show Western RPG, show JPRG, show racing (which we got), etc, etc, etc. Check every box, something for everyone.

They failed to do this. They tried to imitate the Switch 1 reveal and failed miserably.

They needed to show EVERYONE is here. EVERYONE! Hell, throw a Valve game in there too.

Open with Mario Kart and then go onto Hardware, then show 3rd parties then go onto first parties new and upgraded older titles.

I am big on transparency as well. They failed to be transparent as well. Again, another mistake.

Finally the pricing. That is a mess. End of story. I don't even have a problem with Mario Kart being $80. But Kirby Frogotten Lands Deluxe being $80, seems too much. Plus it creates confusion with DK being $70. It felt very, throw a price at the dart board. No rhyme or reason. I understand their logic, but the logic was faulty.

OG Switch 1 games need to probably go to $39.99, and upgraded games are $50, Deluxe games are $60, Switch 2 games are $70, and one or two exceptions are $80. (But the $80 will come with a cost, GaaS, no paid DLC, DLC is free).

Everyone would be ok with this if they explained it. They needed to be transparent and they were not. They couldn't explain anything, and seemed fearful in doing so. That is bad leadership. Truly. It feels like the messaging was a mess, and employees were set up to fail.

I agree with lot of your points, but Nintendo never promised this would be a blow out of games for the coming years and the consumer wasn't lied to. Most games shown were for the launch window and the vast majority were 2025.

They made it clear there are many other third party games not announced at the Direct. The new COD will be shown after it gets announced. Same for the new Sports titles.

I don't think they need to say that more games will be announced in future Directs, because they've already said they will continue doing Directs. They'll be announced 1 or 2 days in advance like always.

 

[KungFucius]

There's Mario Kart World and some third parties. And their one game is $80 digital.

I disagree, but it's not as good as it should be. They basically delayed DK because they didn't want people to choose that over MK. I'll get both. Also not launching with Metroid is kinda shit. I prefer to have a good single player game at launch. I think this lineup is better than xbone.

 

[schaft0620]

I just got turned away from the Nintendo NYC event because my plus 1 was a guy.

The couple in front of me without passes got in, I asked why, guy at the door said because they came in as a family. I asked him how he could tell whos family or not, and he said we didn't look gay to him. Insane.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

I agree with lot of your points, but Nintendo never promised this would be a blow out of games for the coming years and the consumer wasn't lied to. Most games shown were for the launch window and the vast majority were 2025.

They made it clear there are many other third party games not announced at the Direct. The new COD will be shown after it gets announced. Same for the new Sports titles.

I don't think they need to say that more games will be announced in future Directs, because they've already said they will continue doing Directs. They'll be announced 1 or 2 days in advance like always.

I agree. I was pointing this things out as hindsight. Nintendo needed to be more aware and forward thinking than they showed today. Arguably, Nintendo has done a masterful design job on Switch 2. Yet, again.
It was communication that failed them.

I didn't expect a blowout for years. Just for 2025. Explain to everyone why in the year 2025, we want Switch 2. Especially with the increased price of everything. Why do I want a Switch 2 preorder or to buy a Switch 2 for holiday? Why? Tell me why!? They didn't communicate this correctly.

The rest of my comment was from my perspective, only.
I personally, don't want the trickle of information. I think people want all the info, mostly at once and then let them sift thru it for a while and digest it.

Nintendo didn't want to talk about a lot of things and that was evident when Videogame media outlets asked about price and Nintendo said "no comment to everything", essentially. Clearly, they didn't have a plan fully developed due to tariffs and other things. Can't blame them, but as a multi billion dollar company, you need to have an answer ready for people as opposed to "no comment".

I assume COD is coming, but we have no proof of that yet. (Other than the mythical 10 year agreement, which we don't know when it starts).

Nintendo is in these forums, Reset, and Famiboards, and also i believe still on Gamefaqs. If they take anything away from these forum conversations, it is this:

Honesty and transparency go a long way, in today's world. They did not give their message in a transparent way.

When Nintendo communicates next time, please make sure you do this!

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

Wheel Chair game is more a tech demo than anything.

MP4 still doesn't have a specific release date as far as I'm aware. It could be a system seller of sorts but isn't an exclusive to Switch 2.

You proved my point.

This is a communication failure.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Launch lineups aren't as important as the first six months or so. It's not like you won't have things coming out in that timeframe. Not to mention back compat for games you that might be enhanced and that you haven't played yet.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

Launch lineups aren't as important as the first six months or so. It's not like you won't have things coming out in that timeframe. Not to mention back compat for games you that might be enhanced and that you haven't played yet.

Yes ,launch window is considered first 9 months or so. You are correct, "Launch Window" is important.

BC is nice, but it is not the big feature you think it is historically, in terms of importance.

Again, I am not arguing with anyone.

This was my perspective as to why Nintendo had major trouble this week. Tariffs, and communication being two huge parts of their problems. Notice, I did not mention price.

Tariffs, and communication are the big issues. I suspect the end outcome is Nintendo will choose to "reintroduce" the Switch 2 at some point in the near future. How they do this, i don't know. Maybe call it a "Nintendo Special". So it is not a Direct, per se.

I expect the communication style to be drastically different. I suspect at that point as well, you see some additional content for unannounced and announced games.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

I just got turned away from the Nintendo NYC event because my plus 1 was a guy.

The couple in front of me without passes got in, I asked why, guy at the door said because they came in as a family. I asked him how he could tell whos family or not, and he said we didn't look gay to him. Insane.

 

[SScorpio]

Yes ,launch window is considered first 9 months or so. You are correct, "Launch Window" is important.

BC is nice, but it is not the big feature you think it is historically, in terms of importance.

Again, I am not arguing with anyone. This was my perspective as to why Nintendo had major trouble this week. Tariffs, and communication being two huge parts of their problems. Notice, I did not mention price.

Tariffs, and communication are the big issues.

The other major issue is games supporting the previous console as well for years after the release of the new one.

We used to have hard cutoffs, now you can still play many of the new releases and only need to upgrade for better visuals and performance and a smaller and smaller list of exclusives. Are 3-4 games after the first two years that you are interested in worth upgrading? Sure it will be for some people. But many parents won't see the value, there's no $199 Switch Lite to buy each of your kids it's not 2.25x or 2.5x if you want an game on each system.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

I just got turned away from the Nintendo NYC event because my plus 1 was a guy.

The couple in front of me without passes got in, I asked why, guy at the door said because they came in as a family. I asked him how he could tell whos family or not, and he said we didn't look gay to him. Insane.

I hope this is not true. Truly, it would only create a much larger issue.

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

The other major issue is games supporting the previous console as well for years after the release of the new one.

We used to have hard cutoffs, now you can still play many of the new releases and only need to upgrade for better visuals and performance and a smaller and smaller list of exclusives. Are 3-4 games after the first two years that you are interested in worth upgrading? Sure it will be for some people. But many parents won't see the value, there's no $199 Switch Lite to buy each of your kids it's not 2.25x or 2.5x if you want a game on each system.

So, yes. Games are supported longer, but there will be Switch 2 versions of these recently announced Switch 1 games like Rhythm Heaven and Tomodachi Life. So, that is really smart business move. Games that won't sell as well, have two platforms to sell on.

As for the Switch Lite. You are right, it would be hard to make a cheap handheld. I suspect that is why there will be a Switch 2 TV. A small tv only console, like a PlayStation or Xbox. The component cost of something like this with a joycon, you probably could get the price under $299. That will be your Switch 2 Lite.

 

[SScorpio]

So, yes. Games are supported longer, but there will be Switch 2 versions of these recently announced Switch 1 games like Rhythm Heaven and Tomodachi Life. So, that is really smart business move. Games that won't sell as well, have two platforms to sell on.

As for the Switch Lite. You are right, it would be hard to make a cheap handheld. I suspect that is why there will be a Switch 2 TV. A small tv only console, like a PlayStation or Xbox. The component cost of something like this with a joycon, you probably could get the price under $299. That will be your Switch 2 Lite.

Has there been confirmation about a Switch 2 TV yet, or it is just hopes and dreams. That also does nothing to help solve the Switch Lite family situation. People as a whole have moved to mobile rather than gaming on a PC or in front of a TV. You can't take that cheaper TV box and play it during a cross country drive or flight. Sure you can play in tabletop mode, but yay, a GBA sized view will really show off the graphics of that $80 game on the new $450 system.

Nintendo also stalled preorders in the US due to the tariffs. We'll see what the real price ends up being. Nintendo really should have launched last fall, with the tariffs and economic uncertainty, it won't hit as wide of an audience. It will still sell out to the diehards, but it won't have the momentum it could have had.