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Nintendo Switch 2 Motherboard leaked, confirms TSMC N6/SEC8N
Buggy Loop
Member
Oh and TW for Taiwan does not mean TSMC
Samsung chips are packaged in Taiwan
Ampere cards
In fact, if the image is legit, S on that chip means Samsung.
Samsung chips are packaged in Taiwan
Ampere cards
In fact, if the image is legit, S on that chip means Samsung.
kevboard
Member
nothing that is uncensored on that chip tells us anything interesting sadly. but at this point it would be surprising if it was anything else than the long since leaked Tegra T239.
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HerjansEagleFeeder
Gold Member
It sucks. 100% guaranteed. You'll play some Nintendo exclusives on it, even most of them having sub native res and sub 30 fps. Lots of third party titles won't be on there (without streaming) like GTA6. And the ones that are on there will run at ridiculous performance targets making the coming Russian home console look competent.
RodriGames40
Member
This is actually surprising, means these LPDDR5X modules are actually rated beyond 120 GB/s... Peak.
Darkness_Arises
Member
That DLSS is gonna be a massive disappointment for anybody expecting a 1080p to 4K upscale. There are not enough tensor cores on this chip, plus it will need to be downclocked significantly to achieve the 10-15 W system power draw that Nintendo will be happy with. This is not like an Asus ROG or Lenovo Legion with 30W power draw. Third parties will be sub 1080p blurry messes running at 30 fps. I expect some simpler Nintendo games (Animal Crossing/Mario Party/Smash/Kart) to run at 4K/60 docked. I only hope that they have some enhanced BC that improves the playability of Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, that game was a true disgrace. Also, the resolution of XC2 and XC3 needs to be improved. DF should be shitting more on horrible running first party games like these.
As usual a dated and conservative design that can be sold profitably at a not-so-outrageous price (400 GBP/400 USD, assuming that tarrifs don't hit it hard).
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kevboard
Member
yeah, the visible parts and the visible parts of the APU name confirm the old leak.
so, if Nintendo doesn't fuck up the clock speeds, it hopefully means close to Series S performance in docked mode... and I am really looking forward to Nintendo games running on hardware like that, as their artstyle can be pushed to near perfection with that amount of hardware power and their typical Nintendo Polish™
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SweetTooth
Gold Member
Every cycle since since 2004, Nintendo fans hypes their consoles power to be hit with reality every damn time.
Remember when Wii was stronger than PS3?
Darkness_Arises
Member
I just wish for a stable 30 fps and 1080p with good upscaling on newer titles with good enhanced BC (atleast 1440p/60 for first party games), everything else is gravy. Do not plan on buying anything for it except Pokemon and Xenoblade. I just need a replacement for my OG Switch, which is on its last legs.
squidilix
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Handheld mode about PS4 Pro, LOL. And docked mode an Xbox Series S?
Xbox Series S isn't that much more powerful than a PS4 Pro.
Hero_Select
Member
Just say you have no idea what you're talking about lmfao
Astray
Member
This.
Why the fuck did people expect a Nintendo device to start entering the power chat all of a sudden? That would require chip parts to go down in price and Xbox or Sony leaving the console space.
These guys hit a price point that is low enough to be affordable and will guarantee big profit margins on consoles, then they rely on brand recognition and their distinctive game design ethos to sell the things. That's their model.
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There's something wrong here, because PS4 Pro and an Xbox Series S, if we don't go into details, both systems are 4 TFLOPS , and the difference between the two modes can't be that small, because otherwise, in portable console mode, it will eat up all the battery in about 30 minutes. Unless, of course, in portable mode it forcibly disables half of the graphic settings to unload the chip. So, in this leak, there's clearly something wrong.
ShakenG
Member
This doesnt sound realistic at all.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
What is the chips inside Rog Ally? And Steam deck? What is the most powerful handheld now?
Raploz
Member
It's not 6nm, the code in the middle of the chip starts with SN. All Nvidia chips made by Samsung start with S (some are SA or S1), including the 1050 and all 30xx cards. We can't rule out a more advanced Samsung node yet, but based on the size it's likely 8nm, like all Ampere cards.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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x6+
Darkness_Arises
Member
The rog ally is powered by the AMD Z1 extreme, which is an ancient SoC by tech standards (though still newer than the Nvidia SoC powering the Switch 2). The most powerful mainstream handheld is the MSI Claw 8 AI+ powered by the Intel Core Ultra 7 258V. I believe that it will be surpassed by upcoming handhelds powered by the AMD Z2 extreme, which will be showcased at CES 2025.
tusharngf
Member
The architecture difference is massive here. S does everything better than ps pro
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yeah but it's not a handheld -> docked performance gap. not anywhere close
Dirk Benedict
Member
Buying this and a 5090. HAPPY NEW YEAR!
SweetTooth
Gold Member
SweetTooth
Gold Member
Oh and TW for Taiwan does not mean TSMC
Samsung chips are packaged in Taiwan
Ampere cards
In fact, if the image is legit, S on that chip means Samsung.
Nvidia has so much power over Nintendo they didn't even put Nintendo name of the chip
Darkness_Arises
Member
There might be some Nintendo branding on the final product SoC. Though why should there be, this is not like Sony adding features to AMD architectures. Nintendo simply buys off the shelf Nvidia SoCs. They bought Tegra 1s that no one wanted for the Nintendo Switch at bargain basement prices (Android phones had access to far better Qualcomm designs). This Switch 2 SoC will cost Nintendo more as Nvidia knows there is money in this well. There are Android phones selling at 200-300$ with insanely good power sipping LTPO OLED displays boasting FHD+ resolution. Watch Switch 2 come with a cheap ass LCD and the Nintendo faithful will praise it to high heavens. I will buy it for the Nintendo 1P games, but fully expect the hardware to be an underpowered mess.Nvidia has so much power over Nintendo they didn't even put Nintendo name of the chip
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Haint
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I think there may be a couple of those weird $2000 Chinese handhelds no one buys with slightly faster laptop APU's in them, but as far as mainstream products go, the Z1 Extreme Rog Ally is still the most powerful. The more recent Ally X has the same APU but adds faster memory for even more performance. The Z1E's GPU has a theoretical peak of 8.6 dual mode teraflops, which would translate to somewhere around 5 - 5.5TF's in gaming workloads (as the "fake" dual mode terraflops only give gaming a 20-30% boost in general, not double). It doesn't actually reach those levels in practice though, likely due to memory bandwidth bottleneck and and power/thermal throttling. It's roughly equivalent to a 3-4 teraflop console/desktop GPU, with a very good CPU.
A Samsung 8nm Switch 2 is most likely to be somewhere between a base Xbox One and base PS4 in raw rasterized performance as Samsung 8nm is trash and will be underclocked into the dirt. It's also dirt cheap though, a guaranteed 100 million unit customer like Nintendo would be getting every wafer for around 1/5th the cost of a newer TSMC node. DLSS will push performance a bit higher, but we don't really know how much benefit it will be in such a small power constrained SOC. A Samsung 8nm Switch 2 will be the most outdated and generationally underpowered console in videogame history save for the OG Wii. By 2025 standards it's significantly more outdated than Switch 1 was in 2017---unless DLSS really pulls off a miracle, or Nintendo pays for a more advanced node to push clocks to the moon.
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SweetTooth
Gold Member
If Im about to sign a huge deal to manufacture +15m chips I sure as hell would ask to give some branding on the chip or even change its name ( EE on PS2), Xenox on 360 ...etc
Astray
Member
They're buying mostly ready-made chips.
Adding your branding to an internal part that most won't ever see is just extra overhead that takes from your margins.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
steamdeck goodbye I can feel the powers of dlsss in my hands
SweetTooth
Gold Member
What current device is powered by Switch 2 chip? (Based on the rumored specs of course)
Astray
Member
Could be anything really.
Nvidia makes a lot of SKU@s that aren't immediately for gaming (the original Tegra chip was most notably used in the Nvidia tablets).
The more important question is why would Nintendo care about putting their name on a non-custom part? They're not gonna be shy about using off-the-shelf parts.
existensmaximum
Member
Finally, a sensible reply in this thread. This is what people should be expecting, stop being delusional.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
I asked because I believe there is no current device that uses these chips and Nintendo is the only vendor for them (currently)
But knowing how horrible Nvidia as partners this should be the least of Ninty fans worries
SegaSnatcher
Member
Can someone confirm if those specs show memory hitting at least 100GB/s bandwidth?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
DLSS upscale from 1080p will not affect handheld mode but docked mode and leaked images seem to have improved airflow in the dock too. In docked mode I do not see them limited to 15 Watts.
Astray
Member
Steam Deck will likely stomp this thing hard in terms of power, even being the aged device that it is.steamdeck goodbye I can feel the powers of dlsss in my hands
ValiantInstance
Member
Steam deck power is fine. Having owned a deck (and sold it), it's a great device but the battery life drove me nuts. You basically have to gimp the performance to squeeze more than 90 minutes out of it. I'm sure Nintendo will maintain that 6 hour battery life.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Look, I just want this fucking thing to be PS4 Pro-ish in terms of capability. A goddamn new console that looks good enough and is up to the task of running the sorts of games Nintendo makes. I just don't want a repeat of the Switch 1 where it was woefully inadequate trash from day 1.
ValiantInstance
Member
I know back compat has already been confirmed, with these specs it would be a massive dissapointment if Switch 1 games didn't run uncapped on the Switch 2. I need Zelda in 60fps without using an emu.
existensmaximum
Member
Of course it will.
Sintoid
Member
Last time I've seen the words "Impressive" and "Nintendo Hardware" on the same phrase was referred to Nintendo 64 and it was very exaggerated
Zathalus
Member
I don’t see this being slower than a Steam Deck. Even in handheld. The only specification it comes up a bit short in is the RAM amount and there the Switch does have the advantage of not having to worry about RAM allocation between GPU/CPU like the Deck does.
GPU wise it’s a 1536 core Ampere+ GPU up against the 512 core RDNA2 one in the Deck. Probably clocked lower but less than a third seems unlikely.
Edit: The Nvidia leak had the clocks at 660mhz for portable, which will be just over 2 Tflops. Should be similar performance to the Deck then.
GPU wise it’s a 1536 core Ampere+ GPU up against the 512 core RDNA2 one in the Deck. Probably clocked lower but less than a third seems unlikely.
Edit: The Nvidia leak had the clocks at 660mhz for portable, which will be just over 2 Tflops. Should be similar performance to the Deck then.
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
"Switch 2 Handheld Mode: above PS4 Pro"
I really doubt that, but if that's true, It would be fantastic.
This actually has little significance. If we take the same Japanese market, which is 100% the most important for Nintendo, one of the reasons why so many Switches are sold is not only because it is portable, but also because this console holds its charge surprisingly well. The OLED version, depending on the game and screen + volume settings, usually lasts about 2-6 hours, and one of the reasons why the Switch Lite sells so well in Japan is because it holds its charge even better, on average +1 hour (3-7 hours But you pay for the best charge by not having a TV connection). That's why Nintendo will 100% aim for about the same figures, if they make a console that will be like the PS4 PRO in a portable form but will hold its charge for only 1 hour, I'm afraid the Japanese won't appreciate such a product.
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Madserb2023
Member
That doesn't make sense let alone realistic. So it's going to be 4tf in handheld and 4tf when docked then
Muddy
Member
As always, Nintendo hardware specs being overhyped by the usual fans before reveal. Get ready for disappointment when the actual specs are revealed by Nintendo.
A company which sells at a profit even at launch. PS4 Pro/XSS specs my backside at 400 dollars. A Steamdeck/Base PS4 with DLSS is more realistic. Nvidia aren't known to give bargains either.
A company which sells at a profit even at launch. PS4 Pro/XSS specs my backside at 400 dollars. A Steamdeck/Base PS4 with DLSS is more realistic. Nvidia aren't known to give bargains either.
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Hyet
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[Citation needed]