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[pastrami]

What's my issue? I don't have one. Don't understand where I conveyed that I have an issue. I'm simply trying to understand the mindset of someone ready to shell out $250 because "that's where it needed to be" price wise. Instead it's $50 more. I don't see how that is a back breaking difference. Obviously if it was another $100, $150, or $200 more I'd get it. But a difference of $50 being some arbitrary cutoff doesn't seem to be a huge difference.

I get it. $250 would have been better. But it's not like we thought $250 and they destroyed us with $399 or something. I know people have different incomes. But if you can't afford another $50 by launch, wait a few weeks or months until you get it. Instead I've seen people in several threads claiming that they would have made an instabuy at $250 and now they won't buy it at a $299 price point. I'm not defending Nintendo, just surprised by such a huge backlash over $50.

Because we all determine what something is worth paying for. You seriously mean to tell me that there isn't some arbitrary cutoff point where you wouldn't buy a Switch? If it were $700 would you buy it? What about $650? And when you figure that out, think about what the price difference is between what you are willing and not willing to pay.

So I don't get why it's so hard to understand that people value the Switch at $250 and Nintendo asking for more than that means they won't buy the Switch. It doesn't matter that it's just a $50 difference. It only matters that it's more than people think the console is worth.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Will it really only launch with 4 games? The one game worth playing is also available on the WiiU - plus I imagine we can render it at 4k on CEMU.

http://www.polygon.com/2017/1/13/14241960/nintendo-switch-launch-titles-prices-release-dates

Emulator development is completely out of nintendo's control. I also don't think there's a way to legally make a disc image of wiiu games to play on PC.

 

[Karspankey]

Just woke up; did it go up for pre-order on Amazon yet?

 

[Nugg]

Depends on the retailer I guess ?

Nope, placeholder prices. Every retailer I checked is now showing 330.

Just woke up; did it go up for pre-order on Amazon yet?

Yep

 

[Rezae]

Why would anyone want to pick this up that didnt buy wii u?

Now we know why they were so quick to make it impossible to buy a new Wii U.


I'll be sitting on the sidelines until at least summer (maybe scalpers will be done by then). I'll either get it when Splatoon 2 is out, or possibly wait until Mario next holiday season. Not a fan of the price and launch line-up, other than Zelda and Bomberman.

 

[RPGamer92]

Does Gamestop.com charge as soon as you pre-order or not until it ships?

 

[nampad]

I am pretty certain that Switch will fail at this price point. It just shows that Nintendo has not changed at all. They are releasing old overpriced hardware with bad online functionality (e.g. voice chat).

And the prices in Europe are even worse.

 

[kiguel182]

Since this has a kickstand and a touchscreen I find it weird they didn't address how the OS behaves if you want to use this as a tablet. It seems like it makes sense for it to be a simple tablet replacement but no words on that. I mean, we wil know soon enough but I think they should've spent some time on that instead of showing concept games for example.

 

[Karspankey]

Nope, placeholder prices. Every retailer I checked is now showing 330.



Yep

Dammmmmittttt. Do you know when? Stayed up so late when I saw Best Buy and Wal-Mart go up.

Edit: I saw that it went up at 3:10 EST, I went to sleep around 2:20am. So close

 

[Back-In-Black]

I was mildly interested in the Switch before the price reveal along with everything else. I definitely won't be buying, hell I regret buying my 3DS. I might get the Switch about four years from now when the price drops significantly or some Gaffer sells their system for around $200 including a couple games bundled with it.

I already got a PS4, a PC, and an XBONE. I don't need the Switch, I don't even need an Xbone but it came bundled with my TV.

 

[Large Professor]

329€ in Europe is steep.

 

[Vanillalite]

$299 isn't bad even if $249 would have been better.

It's the fact that you have to add in paid online, crazy accessory pricing, and a micro SD to bump the storage up before that raised the pricing.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I am pretty certain that Switch will fail at this price point. It just shows that Nintendo has not changed at all. They are releasing old overpriced hardware with bad online functionality (e.g. voice chat).

And the prices in Europe are even worse.

I think the $300 is the early adopter hardcore Nintendo fan price. Just like the 3ds. They saw that a quick price drop there didn't really hurt them in the long run, so maybe they will be more eager to drop price in 2018.

Early adopters always always always pay more and even kind of get screwed. This is nothing new.

 

[Coffinhal]

Because we all determine what something is worth paying for. You seriously mean to tell me that there isn't some arbitrary cutoff point where you wouldn't buy a Switch? If it were $700 would you buy it? What about $650? And when you figure that out, think about what the price difference is between what you are willing and not willing to pay.

So I don't get why it's so hard to understand that people value the Switch at $250 and Nintendo asking for more than that means they won't buy the Switch. It doesn't matter that it's just a $50 difference. It only matters that it's more than people think the console is worth.

Yes. Basic economics here. It's all about perception, there's little rationnality.

I would love to know how and why Nintendo determined that price point, without any balancing whatsoever (maybe Zelda on day one was supposed to be a balance?)

 

[Futureman]

so Nintendo launch games are Zelda and 1-2 Switch?

any confirmed 3rd party games?

 

[Seik]

399.99$ Canadian dollars is really bold of them.

Can't see this being a success in Canada, but who knows...I'm getting one anyways.

 

[gamergirly]

I was so excited for the Switch, I really was......the launch lineup looks beyond abysmal, it's pretty much just Zelda, no thanks to that waggle stuff. I was always going into this as it being my 3DS XL Replacement, not Wii U replacement but Nintendo is really making it difficult on themselves, I honestly thought they learned.

I still do want one, strictly because it will hopefully replace my 3DS but this is definitely a wait and see, this has too many Wii U memories which burned me bad for buying it launch day.

The funny thing is that most launch lineups have always been piss poor. Zelda alone overshines what Wii U had in the launch lineup and launch window. It wasn't until Super Mario 3D World until the system really picked up....

 

[Lkr]

What has Nintendo been working on this whole time? Why don't they have Mario kart or splatoon ready at launch? Big mistakes

 

[ccbfan]

$300 with no game pack in (Amazed 1 2 switch is not a pack in) and paid online is insane.

Only positive is Zelda at launch but I already have a Wii U and can buy that one.

 

[Disagree Guy]

so Nintendo launch games are Zelda and 1-2 Switch?

any confirmed 3rd party games?

Skyrim

Spoiler

BAAAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[cereal_killerxx]

I might pick one up based on Super Mario Odyssey review scores. Something felt really off about that trailer. Mario in the real world doesn't do it for me.

 

[7DollarHagane]

399.99$ Canadian dollars is really bold of them.

Can't see this being a success in Canada, but who knows...I'm getting one anyways.

It's the exchange rate. Nintendo can't take extra losses because the currency exchange is unfavorable. $300 us is almost $400 Canadian right now. What can they do?

 

[Coffinhal]

Nope, placeholder prices. Every retailer I checked is now

Do you know if the price is given by Ninteno and retailers are forced to sale it at that price, or they can lower/rise it at their liking ?

Maybe if the preorders are down they could lower the price to 300 and/or make their own bundles ?

 

[vkris]

460$CDN for a pre-order at Bestbuy here in Canada :'(

 

[Remeard]

I might pick one up based on Super Mario Odyssey review scores. Something felt really off about that trailer. Mario in the real world doesn't do it for me.

People are saying flashbacks of Sonic 06, and they're not wrong. Everything else looked fine but incredibly empty. Like they only developed a block of the game world to show off because they were focusing so much on the city aspect.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I might pick one up based on Super Mario Odyssey review scores. Something felt really off about that trailer. Mario in the real world doesn't do it for me.

It's just one world. To me it looked almost based on donkey Kong '94 in its style and atmosphere.

Having a old school donkey Kong themed world is interesting. The original donkey Kong and Mario Bros had real world city settings.

 

[chronomac]

Is there a Chrome extension of any kind that will alert you to when an Amazon page updates? I had the email update thing checked for the Switch and, of course, didn't get one.

 

[Mantorok]

Seriously, has the WiiU not taught them anything? The price is arrogant, as is the accessory prices and online.

If they want to become a main contender again they need to start realising they're not Apple, they can't shovel the same sh*t with gold-plated price tags.

This has gone from day 1 to day 365 for me.

 

[sabertoothzombie]

Yep

I'm guessing it sold out on there then, I'm still seeing unavailable

 

[Cmerrill]

460$CDN for a pre-order at Bestbuy here in Canada :'(

Bahahaha. Same price as a PS4 Pro. Nintendo is just trying to go third party at this point.

 

[Stasis]

When ppl say things like "lol at you guys for drawing the line at $50" etc... you're looping us all into one bunch.

As a gamer who grew up on Nintendo and hasn't owned a system of theirs since the SNES, and later an inherited Wii, $400 CAD, +taxes in Quebec, with those accessory prices? That just went from a cool $300 throwback where I get to play some new Mario and Zelda, to a $500+ investment into something I'm not even sure I'll like. It's definitely a deal breaker. Add in weak specs, battery life, and yet again poor launch title lineup and lack of third party support...

A resounding meh was felt. For us more casual Nintendo gamers, or older guys wanting to get back in, it's not super appealing anymore. It was. Now I just want the NES and hopefully SNES classic. The rest will go into my primary PC.

For die-hard Nintendo lovers, I'd still be fully onboard even with the price hike and weak everything. Just for Zelda and future Mario Kart etc. Overall I think this looks like a fail. I don't wish it to be, I don't take sides or even understand fanboy console wars, but I don't see how it'll do well without a price cut and stronger lineup quickly. I'll revisit down the line, like many will I'd bet.

 

[onemanasylum]

so Nintendo launch games are Zelda and 1-2 Switch?

any confirmed 3rd party games?

Third party was nearly non existent.

 

[miksar]

I honestly think that the less people buy Switch at launch, the better it may turn out for the console in the long run. If Nintendo goes into panic mode like it did with 3DS (the price goes down to $200-250 this year and then Nintendo makes sure that its holiday line-ups for the next few years are really strong), I can see them pulling it off. If they use the same strategy as with Wii U (announce the games that everyone expects anyway along the games that won't come out for the next 2-3 years), it will be a struggle even if their output improves significantly as a result of abandoning 3DS software development and some of the 3rd party developers following their lead.

 

[TimeEffect]

Pay to play is a big mistake. Isnt Nintendos online very minimal? How much can we expect added to improve it? I remember party chat being the big bonus for XBL. Will they even have a Free Game per month program?


The split joycons are super gimmicky and wont be useful for two players. Notice they emphasize mini multiplayer. Its really just one of those things that will be long forgotten as anything worthwhile. It also looks way too tiny and uncomfortable outside of these weird mini games. People need controllers.

Im not sure how comfortable the controller will be. Clearly it isnt good enough if there is a Pro controller. Has anyone used it yet? Im curious how it feels.

The abysmal battery of the tablet kills any hope of portable gaming, or off screen gaming. But Id be playing on my bed anyway and dont mind wiring a charger. However, theres no way this can replace a 3DS. Nintendo is going to have a proper 3DS successor right?

 

[Santiako]

Skyrim

Spoiler

BAAAHAHAHAHAHA

Not even a launch game, it's fall.

 

[cyberheater]

Hardly the cheap price rumoured. I think it's going to fall on it's arse at that price.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Welp, by the time I buy it, it will be cheaper. So far only want it for Xenoblade 2, that retro RPG looking game from SE and the new SMT game. None of those are coming to NA in 2017, just no way.

Getting one at $200 would be awesome.

 

[kiguel182]

Will it really only launch with 4 games? The one game worth playing is also available on the WiiU - plus I imagine we can render it at 4k on CEMU.

http://www.polygon.com/2017/1/13/14241960/nintendo-switch-launch-titles-prices-release-dates

Pay 400 dollars to play a Wii U game!

 

[jacobeid]

I don't know why $50 makes such a difference to me because in the grand scheme of everything it's basically negligible. That said, instead of getting $300 now Nintendo will get nothing from me

Spoiler

until Mario.

 

[Jonboy]

So have they actually confirmed Gamecube VC or not?

It seemed like they were about to confirm VC for all old systems when they were going through the history, but stopped short of doing so. Hate to say it, but Gamecube VC was one of my most anticipated features.

 

[The Technomancer]

The funny thing is that most launch lineups have always been piss poor. Zelda alone overshines what Wii U had in the launch lineup and launch window. It wasn't until Super Mario 3D World until the system really picked up....

This. Other launch lineups this generation have included such classic titles as Knack and Ryse: Sone of Rome. The launch lineup isn't the problem, the problem is that there's jack shit for the rest of the year. They needed to show me that they have indie devs on board with this thing and they didn't

 

[~Cross~]

$50 bucks wont break me at all and I'd happily fork them over if it meant that the console would have lasting appeal. But those $50 bucks in this case is telling me nintendo just doesn't feel competitive and a failure with the Switch might cause them to kneejerk into releasing another portable exclusive console, which defeats the only thing I like about the switch, the idea of an unified nintendo ecosystem. Them mulling around the issue only compounds my fears.

 

[onemanasylum]

This. Other launch lineups this generation have included such classic titles as Knack and Ryse: Sone of Rome. The launch lineup isn't the problem, the problem is that there's jack shit for the rest of the year. They needed to show me that they have indie devs on board with this thing and they didn't

Except one problem, you are chery picking, PS4 and x1 had all major third parties, major franchises like COD, Baattlefield on launch, and assured no long software droughts..... So no it is not the same.

 

[Brhoom]

Everyone forgot that the Gamecube was more powerful and cheaper by 100$ than the PS2 during launch, but that did not help it.

Stop saying that price and power determines a console's success.

 

[Disagree Guy]

Not even a launch game, it's fall.

Wow for a joke I tried to pull, that 'fall' punchline is even funnier!

I can't believe Nintendo sometimes

 

[JonnyKong]

Is there a trailer anywhere for Snipperclips?

 

[jufonuk]

software wont be region locked..

are Nintendo listening to us?

 

[Dierce]

Well, at least this has me looking forward to Nintendo eventual release of their games on the PlayStation and Xbox.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Nintendo didn't learn anything from Wii U.

Wii U 2.0, I guess the only thing they learned was to move away from Wii branding.

 

[Grimalkin]

This is my 2 cents. This thing is a disaster. It's not just $300 for the Switch, which is bad enough. But then it's $80 for the Joy Cons with a $50 "charging pad" thing or $70 for a Pro Controller that won't play the games with forced waggle (ARMS, etc.). Paid online would be fine if the value proposition is going to be like PSN/XBL but I have serious doubts. The storage is pathetic, 30% of the console market is all-digital now so that market segment has to pay extra on top of everything else for more storage.

Seems like Nintendo just said "fuck it" and crammed every gimmick from everything they've made in the last decade into one console. Waggle, gryo, touch pad, fuck it, do it all and charge way more than the competition.

The casual market doesn't care enough about Nintendo to drop $300+tax on this thing. Not when the PS4/XB1 is sitting right there for $250 bundled with some games.

I've been a Nintendo fan since the very beginning, have purchased every Nintendo console and handheld and hundreds of games but I'm out, not supporting the Switch unless they do a serious turnaround.