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[notseqi]

Traditionally, Nintendo's more "innovative" consoles/handhelds have been their most popular.

I guess the problem is that there's a fine line between innovation and gimmicks, and the most innovate space in gaming is VR, which has its own constraints that it seems like Nintendo doesn't want to support (yet).

Nothing wrong with having a "safe" console, though. If there's any innovation to be sad about, it's that Nintendo may be lacking innovation on their own games. There's so many franchise titles that have been pretty stagnant for a very long time, and not much in the way of new IP from them.

Pretty staggered by your utterances in this thread and others. You seem like a complete fanboy of a system, which threads I don't visit at all.
I am not claiming that I know what the Switch2 is or what it will be but you're so fast to deny a lot of things. Professional antagonist or a bit of a cunt? Everything on Switch has been shit, and it will continue to be shit on Switch2, for sure. No new well balanced and received Mario, no MK8 people play to this day, people trying to drop a rrrrrrrrange on emulators like nobody every believes, it's just a piece of kit, a blip in history, unlike everything else presented on any console this generation?

You're a subtle troll, ain't ya.

 

[notseqi]

Come on! We don't always have to try to reinvent the wheel every fucking time. If Switch 2 fails then Nintendo might think about something totally different next time.

and better
Like nobody else does.

Even without VR shit. I am not creaming myself about Nintendo everytime they release something, but it has always been solid. Tf you want, if you dont like Nintento, you post negative stuff here because you expect something from your home console that doesnt deliver. Mad, sad, and not very glad. Low key console pissing. They frame their world in a very different way from what you see in trailers (and what you akshuly get in games) and you are being dishonest about the output. Love to hate it.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Pretty staggered by your utterances in this thread and others. You seem like a complete fanboy of a system, which threads I don't visit at all.
I am not claiming that I know what the Switch2 is or what it will be but you're so fast to deny a lot of things. Professional antagonist or a bit of a cunt? Everything on Switch has been shit, and it will continue to be shit on Switch2, for sure. No new well balanced and received Mario, no MK8 people play to this day, people trying to drop a rrrrrrrrange on emulators like nobody every believes, it's just a piece of kit, a blip in history, unlike everything else presented on any console this generation?

You're a subtle troll, ain't ya.

Calling someone a "cunt" over a pretty level headed opinion? Nothing said there was anywhere close to warranting such a response. Why is it that the ones calling other names are the ones the most guilty of their character attacks? Time to reconsider your life choices, my man.

My comment wasn't even negative on the Switch 2 - just stating a pretty factual observation. I'm likely getting a Switch 2 day one. If such comments "stagger you", that's a personal problem.

 

[notseqi]

Calling someone a "cunt" over a pretty level headed opinion? Nothing said there was anywhere close to warranting such a response. Why is it that the ones calling other names are the ones the most guilty of their character attacks? Time to reconsider your life choices, my man.

My comment wasn't even negative on the Switch 2 - just stating a pretty factual observation. I'm likely getting a Switch 2 day one. If such comments "stagger you", that's a personal problem.

nah nah, you are being disruptive for disruptives' sake
take it, or don't. your personal quips do not interest me, i am not here for semantics either. if that is the wordage catching you out for being negative about a console that isnt out, doesnt rely on tflops and has always been about games, most of which have been quality, i do not know what to tell you.

 

[Kabelly]

Switch literally contains all of Nintendo's previous gimmicks besides 2 screens and 3D. They're one of the only devs still pushing motion controls and fun and interesting ways.

Only thing I wish is they didn't forgoe analogue controls and also I'm tired of back paddles not becoming a standard feature. that should be set in stone for controller design.

 

[existensmaximum]

The Wii was awesome, as was the DS.

I would say, despite their gimmicks - not thanks to them.

 

[bundylove]

Wake up sheep.
This is not a switch 2.
This is the switch pro sold as switch 2 and you will buy it. For 450 usd. And pay full price for years old third party ports and cross gen titles.

Oh do i remember the days of starfox on snes or doom on snes or n64 golden eye or resi 4 on gamecube the list is endless.

Stay sheep my friends.

 

[bundylove]

Switch literally contains all of Nintendo's previous gimmicks besides 2 screens and 3D. They're one of the only devs still pushing motion controls and fun and interesting ways.

Only thing I wish is they didn't forgoe analogue controls and also I'm tired of back paddles not becoming a standard feature. that should be set in stone for controller design.

PUshing motion controls ????
Sorry i must go back to my psvr2 , with, you know, real motion controls

 

[Kabelly]

PUshing motion controls ????
Sorry i must go back to my psvr2 , with, you know, real motion controls

Yea and Sony is supporting that console so well. Sorry I don't know what fake motion controls are though.

My point is people are acting like it's the end of the world when the software is where Nintendo always shines. They put the tech they need in their consoles for the gimmicks they need for their games.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Well, they're not leaving handhelds which they've dominated for 35 years. Games are too expensive and take too long to make to try and develop for 2 platforms again. Even still if the joycons double as a mouse, that's very innovative and will unlock a lot of potential for game development. Plus the increased power lets their studios be more innovative on the game design side.

 

[ULTROS!]

Tbh I don’t think this will sell as much as Switch, probably around 3DS levels or slightly higher.

The way I see it, after releasing a “sequel” to a more known device, it won’t sell as much:

NES -> SNES
GB/GBC -> GBA
N64 -> GC
NDS -> 3DS
Wii -> Wii U

 

[ElCasual]

Wonder if Nintendo will return to the consoles like PS or all the future consoles will be portable/dock.

 

[bundylove]

Yea and Sony is supporting that console so well. Sorry I don't know what fake motion controls are though.

My point is people are acting like it's the end of the world when the software is where Nintendo always shines. They put the tech they need in their consoles for the gimmicks they need for their games.

Go play some psvr2 buddy. Fake motion controls????


You guys are funny.
Try out resi4 remake in vr then to see your fake motion control or metro or basically anything in vr.

But i guess nintendo fans are sooo stuck in the past they have no clue what else is out there

 

[Kabelly]

Go play some psvr2 buddy. Fake motion controls????


You guys are funny.
Try out resi4 remake in vr then to see your fake motion control or metro or basically anything in vr.

But i guess nintendo fans are sooo stuck in the past they have no clue what else is out there

VR is cool and all. No one is buying it. I own a Meta Quest 3 btw.

VR is innovating but people are not putting in the real time and money for the platform to flourish. Sony released the Horizon game and now what? I'd agree with you if Sony was actually investing in their own system and showcasing games for it. You paid for a peripheral that costs more than the console it's required to use and Sony is not releasing any first party games for it?

You're lauding Resident Evil 4 VR, and 20 year old game, when you're basically just playing the Wii Version in VR. Telling me I'm stuck in the past. You're a funny guy.

I like VR from what I've played but I also don't think it will ever reach the heights of console gaming. It's too isolating and also limiting since you're basically forced to play everything in first person. I haven't tried a 2D game on the quest yet. (if that's possible idk)

So yes I am excited for what Nintendo has to offer with the Switch 2. Splatoon is still Nintendo's most interesting game out there right now to me so I will always follow along for that. Splatoon gyro and gameplay mechanics are still the most fun use of motion controls personally.

 

[Thaimasker]

Brainrot

Tbh I don’t think this will sell as much as Switch, probably around 3DS levels or slightly higher.

The way I see it, after releasing a “sequel” to a more known device, it won’t sell as much:

NES -> SNES
GB/GBC -> GBA
N64 -> GC
NDS -> 3DS
Wii -> Wii U

The difference now is that Nintendo is putting 100% of their development focus onto 1 system. Their systems were essentially competing with each other. I'd be shocked if this sold less than a 360/ps3. I think over 100 million is safe as long as they aren't fucking over their studios like Sony.

 

[blacktout]

I found the Switch 2 reveal to be kind of bland too, but I would much rather Nintendo make intuitive, flexible hardware, even if it has no single defining gimmick, and save the innovation for their software, than chase one ill-conceived idea down the toilet a la the Wii U or Virtual Boy.

That said, I'd bet real American dollars that they still have some wonderfully silly shit hidden somewhere in this device that they haven't shared yet, even if it's just using the top USB-C port to support some goofy peripherals. They can't help themselves.

 

[fersnake]

this shit with innovative nintendo, hate the wii motes controllers, hate those little switch controllers too. just give me an old game system with actual controllers or call me when this shit happens...

i wil call that innovative.

 

[bundylove]

VR is cool and all. No one is buying it. I own a Meta Quest 3 btw.

VR is innovating but people are not putting in the real time and money for the platform to flourish. Sony released the Horizon game and now what? I'd agree with you if Sony was actually investing in their own system and showcasing games for it. You paid for a peripheral that costs more than the console it's required to use and Sony is not releasing any first party games for it?

You're lauding Resident Evil 4 VR, and 20 year old game, when you're basically just playing the Wii Version in VR. Telling me I'm stuck in the past. You're a funny guy.

I like VR from what I've played but I also don't think it will ever reach the heights of console gaming. It's too isolating and also limiting since you're basically forced to play everything in first person. I haven't tried a 2D game on the quest yet. (if that's possible idk)

So yes I am excited for what Nintendo has to offer with the Switch 2. Splatoon is still Nintendo's most interesting game out there right now to me so I will always follow along for that. Splatoon gyro and gameplay mechanics are still the most fun use of motion controls personally.

Special kind of stupid you are you see lol

20 year old wii game????

Its resi 4 remake you dummy.
You really have no clue



Yeah i play now a ton of games on psvr2

Also got subside that looks amazing.


And the fact that the switch 2 wont even come close tp these vr graphics is a joke.

But sure splatoon.....yeah you live in the past

Here are some more psvr2 games that are mind blowing









I can go on and on

Psvr2 caught up now and you have many great titles you can play at close to pc vr settings.

 

[Robb]

I love quirky Nintendo but I don’t see that changing. They do iterative systems all the time.

And now they’ve made the JoyCons into mice and I’m sure we’ll get a launch game based on that gimmick alone.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Wonder if Nintendo will return to the consoles like PS or all the future consoles will be portable/dock.

God I hope they do stationary again. That has always been my primary way of gaming. And no, having an anemic handheld in a dock in not an adequate substitute.

 

[DoomGyver]

Hardware does not matter. Great Switch 2 exclusive games will sell hardware like gangbusters. Nintendo will ride that wave into the next PS6 timeframe and then come out with something completely new and innovative.

I wish I could buy a Switch 2 box that was just for tv gaming at a lower cost because I don’t use the handheld mode very often. A new Zelda or Starfox will have me buying day one regardless.

 

[Zathalus]

We don't have a lot of details on the console, so seems a bit premature to be stating there is no innovation. For one, the JoyCons might be able to be used as mice, which would be new. Who knows what else might be, or might not be, present once Nintendo actually does more than a teaser.

 

[March Climber]

God I hope they do stationary again.

They discovered the golden goose of a hybrid console. They are never going back.

 

[daclynk]

 

[Oberstein]

Gimmicks are not always innovations. There was nothing revolutionary about the 3DS, and even the DS's dual screen didn't serve much purpose other than permanently displaying the menu or map.

So by criticizing Nintendo for not constantly “innovating”, you're also pushing them into the dead end of useless gimmicks and making it look like you're bringing something new to the industry. This is not always the case.

The Wii was a real innovation at a given moment, and it created monstrous children in its wake (Kinect, PlayStation Move). Now all that's behind us, and we've forgotten these tools that were supposed to make us forget the controller. In the end, it was the controller that buried them.

Innovation must also be long-term.

 

[Majukun]

you can't try to reinvent the wheel every cycle, or you end up with a wii u..
also nintendo being conservative with portable consoles is not a news
only really had one big leap between GBA and DS, the rest were merely iterative stuff..the one slight innovation the 3ds had (the 3d slider) actually got taken away in future iterations of the console...

 

[Physiognomonics]

Fuck's sake, it's just a 2 minute trailer, 90% of which was just hovering shots of the hardware.

Of course, but's that's a big problem. Usually they focus on the games. And that Mario Kart trailer was bad.

 

[Goalus]

So sad!

 

[ValiantInstance]

Why would they change it? They've found their niche that isn't a gimmick.

 

[Hero_Select]

Wake up sheep.
This is not a switch 2.
This is the switch pro sold as switch 2 and you will buy it. For 450 usd. And pay full price for years old third party ports and cross gen titles.

Oh do i remember the days of starfox on snes or doom on snes or n64 golden eye or resi 4 on gamecube the list is endless.

Stay sheep my friends.

 

[Davevil]

Special kind of stupid you are you see lol

20 year old wii game????

Its resi 4 remake you dummy.
You really have no clue



Yeah i play now a ton of games on psvr2

Also got subside that looks amazing.


And the fact that the switch 2 wont even come close tp these vr graphics is a joke.

But sure splatoon.....yeah you live in the past

Here are some more psvr2 games that are mind blowing









I can go on and on

Psvr2 caught up now and you have many great titles you can play at close to pc vr settings.

 

[Trilobit]

That said, I'd bet real American dollars that they still have some wonderfully silly shit hidden somewhere in this device that they haven't shared yet, even if it's just using the top USB-C port to support some goofy peripherals. They can't help themselves.

They could probably put some USB-C minifan on top that increases in strength the faster you drive in Mario Kart.

 

[TheKratos]

All I know it will be a massive success and I will buy once Monster Hunter Generations 2 comes out on it.

 

[Melon Husk]

All I wanted was 3D - maybe Nintendo is saving that gimmick for the next one, Switch 3D.

 

[Trilobit]

All I wanted was 3D - maybe Nintendo is saving that gimmick for the next one, Switch 3D.

What if it'll be possible to attach a 3D screen on top using the USB-C port?

 

[Luipadre]

Nintendo doesn't need gimmicks to make great games, infact im glad they didnt went that route

 

[Hudo]

I can 100% guarantee that if Nintendo had gone with a completely new concept for their next console, Eurogamer would have written an article called "If Switch was the last time Nintendo made a hybrid device, there's much to be sad about".

 

[LordOcidax]

Special kind of stupid you are you see lol

20 year old wii game????

Its resi 4 remake you dummy.
You really have no clue



Yeah i play now a ton of games on psvr2

Also got subside that looks amazing.


And the fact that the switch 2 wont even come close tp these vr graphics is a joke.

But sure splatoon.....yeah you live in the past

Here are some more psvr2 games that are mind blowing









I can go on and on

Psvr2 caught up now and you have many great titles you can play at close to pc vr settings.

"What happened with PS VR2, Shu?", prompting his "Let's move on"

 

[Trilobit]

I would say, despite their gimmicks - not thanks to them.

I disagree. I've been returning to both consoles and those things make them wonderfully unique.

 

[Horseganador]

-Nintendo takes a risk with something new = they should have continued with the first Switch.

-Nintendo continues with a continuous line = they should have taken a risk with something new.

Everything is wrong, it is impossible to get it right.

 

[Killer8]

I don't know why people are still expecting anything radical. It's not like the Switch was that dramatic, it just seemed so on paper - "it's a combination of a console and handheld, holy sheeiiit!" - but to anyone paying attention Nintendo were simply refining the idea originally put forward by the Wii U. They could finally realise the idea once SoCs weren't lagging so far behind home hardware and so were able to shift the focus from primarily a console to primarily a portable with video output.

 

[bundylove]

"What happened with PS VR2, Shu?", prompting his "Let's move on"

THird party is saving it big time.
I am only playing vr for the past 2 weeks ever since i looked back at the games.
I ignored it for a long time as i had no hope but turns out there a lot of big quality games.
I mainly went back to see games that were updated for the pro.
Gt7 , no man sky ans some others look significantly better.
Now handling it for long sessions though?
Makes me wanna puke after a couple hours. Cant get over that hurdle

 

[Elginer]

The media: we want weird shit!!

The media: we don’t want weird shit!!!

Fuck em all

 

[Tams]

Pretty staggered by your utterances in this thread and others. You seem like a complete fanboy of a system, which threads I don't visit at all.
I am not claiming that I know what the Switch2 is or what it will be but you're so fast to deny a lot of things. Professional antagonist or a bit of a cunt? Everything on Switch has been shit, and it will continue to be shit on Switch2, for sure. No new well balanced and received Mario, no MK8 people play to this day, people trying to drop a rrrrrrrrange on emulators like nobody every believes, it's just a piece of kit, a blip in history, unlike everything else presented on any console this generation?

You're a subtle troll, ain't ya.

Ignore him. He was all over the Switch 2 announcement thread going after anyone even slightly critical of it.

 

[LordOcidax]

-Nintendo takes a risk with something new = they should have continued with the first Switch.

-Nintendo continues with a continuous line = they should have taken a risk with something new.

Everything is wrong, it is impossible to get it right.

Those are the same people that said that the Switch 1 was going to flop… Nothing has changed.