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[Dr. Wilkinson]

What's the cost of a ticket to the "museum"? They charge you 5000 yen a year to play on emulators.

Oh good grief, dude. Enough with the ridiculous hyperbole. Nintendo’s gonna pull brand new sealed NESs and SNESs manufactured in the 80s and 90s from their corporate archives, for the public to use? It’s just not practical, in any way. Not to mention hooking them up to modern displays.

Just accept that it makes sense in this situation, as a practical matter. Even if you don’t like it.

Also, Nintendo has entire arms of the company that literally exist to build emulators and middleware, for their own internal and external use. And have for decades.

Nintendo European Research & Development - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Krathoon]

Yeah. That is the problem. Nintendo is not sourcing their own roms. They are pulling them from rom sites and making a profit off them.

Then, they turn around and sue rom sites.

It is pretty obnoxious.

 

[ResilientBanana]

We own a license, they own the games.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Yeah. That is the problem. Nintendo is not sourcing their own roms. They are pulling them from rom sites and making a profit off them.

Then, they turn around and sue rom sites.

It is pretty obnoxious.

Agreed. It is obnoxious. Nothing illegal, though.

 

[Krathoon]

It is kind of like a film company getting a bootleg of their movie and then start selling the bootleg.

 

[MetalFreak]

Headline: Nintendo Sues Nintendo for Copyright Infringement

 

[PurePlatinum]

This is logical - there will be thousands of visitors a day to this museum and the displays and containers are going to get bumped by humans. If they had the consoles/cartridges hooked up they'd need a full-time crew to make sure everything is working daily.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

It is kind of like a film company getting a bootleg of their movie and then start selling the bootleg.

It’s not kind of like that, it literally is like that. But since they’re the original authors, it doesn’t matter. It’s their’s to do with as they want, nothing anyone can do about it. But it’s not as if every rom Nintendo sells was taken from a rom dump site. It’s the rare exception.

Nintendo European Research & Development - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[DeepEnigma]

The emulator isn't interesting. Where did they get the ROMs?

Internet Archive before they were taken offline

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

This is logical - there will be thousands of visitors a day to this museum and the displays and containers are going to get bumped by humans. If they had the consoles/cartridges hooked up they'd need a full-time crew to make sure everything is working daily.

This, exactly. It’s just not practical in any way. But people are gonna pounce on it because of the whole “legal battle/ rom war” thing.

Shit’s annoying, for real.

 

[UniformDeliverance]

Okay? They use a first party emulator for virtual console. And for their mini nes and snes…

Why… is this a story exactly?

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Okay? They use a first party emulator for virtual console. And for their mini nes and snes…

Why… is this a story exactly?

You are correct, it’s really not. It’s a story that could exist only on forums like this.

 

[Dacvak]

Wait until people find out that all of the games on NSO are also emulated. Everyone’s gonna lose their shit.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Wait until people find out that all of the games on NSO are also emulated. Everyone’s gonna lose their shit.

That’s different, man. It’s just different, okay?

 

[Sojiro]

Wait until people find out that all of the games on NSO are also emulated. Everyone’s gonna lose their shit.

Thankfully all the games on my NES and SNES minis aren't, or I would flip my shit!

 

[Rodolink]

god damn isn't this funny?

 

[Trilobit]

Oh good grief, dude. Enough with the ridiculous hyperbole. Nintendo’s gonna pull brand new sealed NESs and SNESs manufactured in the 80s and 90s from their corporate archives, for the public to use? It’s just not practical, in any way. Not to mention hooking them up to modern displays.

Just accept that it makes sense in this situation, as a practical matter. Even if you don’t like it.

Also, Nintendo has entire arms of the company that literally exist to build emulators and middleware, for their own internal and external use. And have for decades.

Nintendo European Research & Development - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

And yet they got busted reselling a ROM from the webs.

 

[VGEsoterica]

I mean there is the pot calling the kettle black and there is a level of hypocrisy that is gold medal level mental gymnastics amounts of wild...and Nintendo just took the podium

For a company that claims all emulation is "illegal" on their own websites and denies the legal right for the end user to back their software up when most jurisdictions allow for exactly that...to be caught using Windows machines and software emulation in their own history museum in Japan is one of the most hilarious self owns in a LONG time.

That plus the recent Game Freak news...Nintendo is NOT having a good October these days

 

[OverHeat]

Hypocrisy at its finest…emulators creator should go after them.

 

[cash_longfellow]

I think there was already a thread posted about this.

 

[cash_longfellow]

News - Drama - Nintendo uses emulators at Japanese museum

So they can use them but we can't Well it is their property

www.neogaf.com

 

[Calico345]

And yet sadly, certain fanatics will find a way to defend it.

 

[nkarafo]

Can't watch the video right now.

Are they using their own made emulator? Or a homebrew? It would be too funny if it' the later.

 

[Alexios]

Right, we needed someone going to a museum to find out they use emulation when they want, like they didn't have the Wii Virtual Console, release the NES/SNES Classic, have emulation of all kinds of systems on Switch, as they didn't on 3DS either...

Nintendo's so evil but I love that bashing them brings in the views/food on my table (also love the irony when content creators engaging with their content can't monetize but I can, lul), keep following me for scoopz I saw elsewhere/copy pasted, thx.

PS: I do it for you guyz, not to promote muh channel, I get few views from you (so plz gimme more), I do it for the world, that's why I post in even smaller forums all over the net/never engage in any conversation outside my own content! /philantropy

 

[Mhmmm 2077]

if only Nintendo would remove/change the usb plug in&out sounds nobody would suspect a thing

 

[diffusionx]

Don't be daft. Nintendo has the right to use emulation the way they see fit, on their own products. For example Switch Online.

 

[Exede]

Haven't we had a thread about this already?

 

[VGEsoterica]

Don't be daft. Nintendo has the right to use emulation the way they see fit, on their own products. For example Switch Online.

Of course they do. The same way owners of games and hardware do too. It’s Nintendo’s language that “all emulation is piracy” and “backing up your games isn’t legal” that’s a flawed and untrue argument and clearly Nintendo is happy to do it when it’s for them while not being truthful about the legality of everyone else doing it

 

[begotten]

Haven't we had a thread about this already?

Yeah but OP is lazy and wants to just promote their YouTube channel.

 

[VGEsoterica]

Yeah but OP is lazy and wants to just promote their YouTube channel.

Lol or Gaf’s search function didn’t spit back a result. But sure the (checks stats)…40 views a month out of 400k that come from Gaf is what I was after

I’m sure the mods can merge it. It just didn’t pop up when I searched

 

[Hotel Security]

I mean there is the pot calling the kettle black and there is a level of hypocrisy

The only way you could call this hypocrisy was if Nintendo used an emulator to showcase material from the Xbox or Playstation. It's perfectly legal to emulate your own property. Heck, a lot of these "classic game collections" are essentially using an emulator packaged into a new game.

Nintendo having an issue with illegal emulators that steal their games is very different from them using one. This is an example of someone desperate to get Nintendo into a "Gotcha" moment and trying too hard.

And seriously why would anyone still be angry at Nintendo over this? You can find Nintendo emulators and ROMs everywhere and easily...it's not like they've managed to make them all go away.

Yeah but OP is lazy and wants to just promote their YouTube channel.

Figured. I'm not clicking on it. And why do I need to watch a ten-minute video about something that I can read about in 30-seconds?

 

[Katatonic]

I don't see the hypocrisy. Even if they use emulation, they still don't want potential buyers getting their stuff for free.

 

[yurinka]

I mean there is the pot calling the kettle black and there is a level of hypocrisy that is gold medal level mental gymnastics amounts of wild...and Nintendo just took the podium

For a company that claims all emulation is "illegal" on their own websites and denies the legal right for the end user to back their software up when most jurisdictions allow for exactly that...to be caught using Windows machines and software emulation in their own history museum in Japan is one of the most hilarious self owns in a LONG time.

That plus the recent Game Freak news...Nintendo is NOT having a good October these days

There is nothing wrong on emulating their own games. This is legal.

It's completely different than to profit from emulators or devices made to play pirated games and pirated bios. This is not legal.

 

[Punished Miku]

You really showed them OP.

P.S. if they decide to sue you someday, dont represent yourself in court.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I don't see the hypocrisy. Even if they use emulation, they still don't want potential buyers getting their stuff for free.

Emulators can't get their stuff for free.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

controversial opinion but, fuck Nintendo and their hypocrisy

 

[midnightAI]

And yet sadly, certain fanatics will find a way to defend it.

So you can only be a fanatic to say it's their property and they can do whatever they want with it?

Well ... It's their property and they can do whatever they want with it

 

[BlackTron]

The only way you could call this hypocrisy was if Nintendo used an emulator to showcase material from the Xbox or Playstation. It's perfectly legal to emulate your own property.

That's just it, Nintendo goes after emulators that aren't doing things like including repositories of games, that you could use to emulate your owned game, and going on record simply stating emulators are illegal...while setting them up on windows PC in a museum.

I mean, if you're going to say all emulators are illegal, at least keep it on the DL emulating GBA games on Switch. Don't drop a Windows PC in your fucking museum lol.

 

[Lokaum D+]

You can use an emulator all you want on games YOU own.

Fixed for you

 

[touchfuzzy]

That plus the recent Game Freak news...Nintendo is NOT having a good October these days

Literally no one outside of message boards will ever hear about these things, let alone care about them.

 

[rodrigolfp]

You can use an emulator all you want on games YOU made.

Their own made emulator, yes.

What does it matter? They’re the original authors of the software. It’s fun to make jokes, but why is that an important factor either as a legal or practical matter?

Same reason as downloading a ROM for a game you own. It's still illegal.

 

[VGEsoterica]

That's just it, Nintendo goes after emulators that aren't doing things like including repositories of games, that you could use to emulate your owned game, and going on record simply stating emulators are illegal...while setting them up on windows PC in a museum.

I mean, if you're going to say all emulators are illegal, at least keep it on the DL emulating GBA games on Switch. Don't drop a Windows PC in your fucking museum lol.

Exactly. It’s not like I’m saying “oooooh Nintendo broke the law”…I am referencing the fact that in all their communications they insist emulation is used for nothing but piracy and illegal activities. And tell anyone reading their website they aren’t allowed to do what the law gives them the legal right to do

Then they emulate in their own museum. Like they couldn’t find a dozen SNES consoles to do it with real hardware

 

[Hotel Security]

So you can only be a fanatic to say it's their property and they can do whatever they want with it?

Well ... It's their property and they can do whatever they want with it

Yes some people don't seem to understand how copyrights work or why businesses try to defend them.

Literally no one outside of message boards will ever hear about these things, let alone care about them.

Very true. There's nothing social media does more than inflate their own importance.

 

[rodrigolfp]

The only way you could call this hypocrisy was if Nintendo used an emulator to showcase material from the Xbox or Playstation.

If it's not their own made emulator it's hypocrisy.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Their own made emulator, yes.


Same reason as downloading a ROM for a game you own. It's still illegal.

No, it’s not the same reason. They created the software. People who bought a copy have no ownership of anything other than their (once) plastic cartridge or disc.

 

[rodrigolfp]

No, it’s not the same reason. They created the software. People who bought a copy have no ownership of anything other than their (once) plastic cartridge or disc.

Doesn't matter. Download a copy not made by yourself is illegal.

 

[midnightAI]

Exactly. It’s not like I’m saying “oooooh Nintendo broke the law”…I am referencing the fact that in all their communications they insist emulation is used for nothing but piracy and illegal activities. And tell anyone reading their website they aren’t allowed to do what the law gives them the legal right to do

Then they emulate in their own museum. Like they couldn’t find a dozen SNES consoles to do it with real hardware

To be fair, they aren't wrong in 99% of cases (made up figure, but it's obvious, unless you think that people are really dumping their own bios and roms and not downloading them at all). They know it, but they know they can't go after everyone suspected of downloading roms so they put the squeeze on the emulator makers instead (rightly or wrongly,but they know these emulator makers are highly likely to be using downloaded bios and roms also to test/tweak emulation)

 

[midnightAI]

Doesn't matter. Download a copy not made by yourself is illegal.

Who they gonna sue? Themselves?

 

[rodrigolfp]

Who they gonna sue? Themselves?

Ask the law.

 

[midnightAI]

Ask the law.

Would that be civil law, not criminal law? (Clue: it is)