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*NO BOOK SPOILERS* Game of Thrones - Season 2 - Sundays on HBO (read rules in OP)
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Arya and Tywin, Theon's douchbaggery, the rushed assassination, Jon and Ygritte, Robert and Telisa, damn this episode was brilliant!
Though I saved the best for last; this is truly what made the episode special, it's not always the intimate and tense moments that stand out, no.. sometimes it's the warmth that sticks to you:
Though I saved the best for last; this is truly what made the episode special, it's not always the intimate and tense moments that stand out, no.. sometimes it's the warmth that sticks to you:
Joffrey getting caked and 3itch-slapped, hells-yeah.
BobTheFork
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This is Littlefinger we're talking about, there's no way he didn't figure out what was going on once he saw her.
Cornballer
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He leaned into it this week.
Low quality off of tumblr, but there should be some better versions sooner or later.
Nizz
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Kind of weird to me how Ghost seems to be behaving so distant from Jon lately. Wonder what the deal is there. But what an awesome episode last night, damn!
Show hit the ground running from the start. Kind of painful watching Theon turn on Winterfell like that. His execution of Roderik wasn't even a clean cut, having to chop a couple of times must have been gruesome to watch. I have a new found love for Osha as well. Glad to see she didn't turn on the Starks as well.
I laughed my ass off with the assassination scene with the guard knocking on Tywin's door. I thought "oh man, he made it back to Tywin in time". Then he falls dead with a dart to the neck.
Watching Joffrey get hit with cow shit was one of the most pleasing sights I've seen. Tyrion laying the smack down on Joffrey like only he can.
That whole scene (the mob attacking Joffrey) was tense throughout. I thought Sansa was done for till The Hound started wrecking fools left and right.
Like someone else had mentioned, I thought that prince in Qarth was in on that ambush of Dany's people and theft of her dragons. I really hope she gets them back. She's already lost what, half her entourage? Oh man now that I think of it, I don't remember seeing the lighter skinned girl who would help her with the dragons. The shorter, darker skinned one was seen dead last night.
Going to definitely watch the show again when it airs. This is going to be a long week till the next show...
Show hit the ground running from the start. Kind of painful watching Theon turn on Winterfell like that. His execution of Roderik wasn't even a clean cut, having to chop a couple of times must have been gruesome to watch. I have a new found love for Osha as well. Glad to see she didn't turn on the Starks as well.
I laughed my ass off with the assassination scene with the guard knocking on Tywin's door. I thought "oh man, he made it back to Tywin in time". Then he falls dead with a dart to the neck.
Watching Joffrey get hit with cow shit was one of the most pleasing sights I've seen. Tyrion laying the smack down on Joffrey like only he can.
That whole scene (the mob attacking Joffrey) was tense throughout. I thought Sansa was done for till The Hound started wrecking fools left and right. Like someone else had mentioned, I thought that prince in Qarth was in on that ambush of Dany's people and theft of her dragons. I really hope she gets them back. She's already lost what, half her entourage? Oh man now that I think of it, I don't remember seeing the lighter skinned girl who would help her with the dragons. The shorter, darker skinned one was seen dead last night.
Going to definitely watch the show again when it airs. This is going to be a long week till the next show...
I get the impression that Ghost is home and he feels closer to it than Jon. Direwolves may not be that mystic North of the Wall.
I thought this too, but it doesn't help that we don't have a sense of location in those scenes. I couldn't quite tell where they were to begin with. I was afraid Mormont would one of the dead..
Ah, a thing of beauty.He leaned into it this week.
Low quality off of tumblr, but there should be some better versions sooner or later.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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From TheBigLead:
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's really easy to predict when you're about to get some boobs in this series: the chicks just wear these Hulk Hogan clothes that you can just tell come right off because whoever is in charge of cinematography thinks it looks sexier when chicks just pull open their clothes right from the middle. Same exact thing happened with Margaery's outfit like 2 weeks ago.
Grimm Fandango
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I read the first book over spring break. I'll probably read this book after the season finishes but I won't continue. Prefer to watch the other books first then read.
Yeah, this was my interpretation as well.
I truly hope Joffrey stays alive, it's good to have someone as pure evil as him in the show. I like the fact that the king now, is the most incompetent person out there, and still he stays alive.
Tywin Lannister was also upped in my cool-wall. In the first season he was showed as this ruthless dude, with way to much money. But now he looks fairly reasonable, and he knows what he's doing. Like someone else said: He showed some of Tyrion's cunningness.
ThirstyFly
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I'm really tempted to. The Blu-rays for season one had a detailed guide going into the world and the history that made the show so much more interesting for me.
Problem is, I've got an army of books waiting to be read and these suckers aren't exactly the thinnest books around.
If I do get them though, I'll only read each book after its TV season to expand on the episodes. I won't read ahead because I enjoy watching the show too much like this.
yes, couldn't miss this gif.From TheBigLead:
btw the more I see khaleesi and the more I want to bang her.
He should have killed the wildling. Such a stupid thing to do, letting her live. He's now lost, put the rest of his men in jeopardy and himself. There's no place for chivalry and mercy where he is. He's not learning a damn thing and it would suit for it to be his downfall. I started out really liking the guy, but he's too nice. Clock is ticking on that one. (just a prediction, I haven't read the books).
yup, I can't hate on Theon, he clearly didn't intend this outcome (the old man was practically asking for it). Amazing episode, Assassin guy proofed once again that he's the best - I fucking hope they don't just randomly kill him off at the end of this season, I want him to be a mainstay character
Roderik spit on Theon. How is that NOT death penalty worthy?
I think the point of that scene was that he is actually lost because someone who was purely evil would've ordered his death immediately. Even the way he was talking with Bran when he entered his room wasn't really intimidating or evil but rather doing what he thinks he has to.
I mean of course he's an asshole and deserves to die, but all his actions imply him trying desperately to please his father rather than being purely evil.
cuevas. PhD.
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His whole "I was never really part of your family" is BS considering Rob trusted him enough to send him out on his own.
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I might read the first and second. I'm having too much fun experiencing the story through the show.
He was spitting on a traitor who knew the only reason he got as far as he did was for treacherous reasons. The scene is based on respect and honor, but Theon did nothing to deserve that and he knew it. He knew that the man was angry about the betrayal. He knew what Winterfell thought of him. The reactions were perfectly understandable. They weren't to Theon's crew because they did not know anything about the Starks. It didn't concern them if he killed everyone in Winterfell. Theon knew exactly how vile a dude he was though. That's what makes him evil in my view.
I think someone honorable would have had the right to order his death immediately. The person who threw the cowpie at Joffrey deserved to die because he was the king and despite his absolute evilness, he didn't do anything treacherous to get to the throne and that's the penalty for attacking the king. He gained it fair and square as far as he knew.
Theon was not that guy and he knew it. He didn't kill him because he deserved to die. He killed him because of peer pressure. There is a huge difference between treachery & invasion. This was treachery and deserved a spit in the face. Theon knew that 100% without a doubt. The whole thing was emotions running wild which is why Theon did it to begin with and why he handled it so sloppily- literally and figuratively. The scene was perfect, but the lack of remorse afterward is what seals the deal. He's loving the life or his expectation of it at least.
I think one can be evil for various reasons and bad parenting doesn't excuse that. For all we know, his dad was possibly nicer than his granddad. He wasn't pleasing his father by doing this considering his father gave no command to invade Winterfell to begin with and had no say in the killing of one of its top men. If anything, it's more like sibling rivalry (I can't wait until that meeting).
Also, Theon as a bad guy is OK although I hope he dies sooner than later. A good show needs them, I just can't quite get the sympathy angle. the only ones that should get sympathy from this is the Starks who are way too trusting.
I really do sympathize with Theon. He's stuck between his birth family and the family that raised him in a society that stakes a lot of pride in family. He'll never be a Stark because he's a Greyjoy and, yet, he'll never be a Greyjoy because he's a Stark.
That said, fuck Theon. The sympathy card only goes so far.
That said, fuck Theon. The sympathy card only goes so far.
Brian Fellows
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Yeah being a pathetic loser with daddy issues just makes him worse in my mind. I'd have cut Balon in half the second he slapped me during that first meeting.
This is definitely arguable with the rumour that Joffrey may be the son of Cersai and Jamie meaning that its not his birth right to be the King. And I'm sure some of those people believe that as I heard people calling for Stannis to be their King.
Theon had to kill him if he had any intentions to rule Winterfell. Can't have the message that people can spit on him and get away with it. And I'm not sure sympathetic is right word... it definitely wasn't a sympathetic scene for him, but it wasn't an outright evil scene either. Joffrey calling the death of Ned was pure evil. Theon is still cast as a bad guy and I don't feel sorry for him, but at the same time I'm able to recognize his actions are solely to please his father (or to show that he is better than his sister, which is still the same thing in my mind).
cuevas. PhD.
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Fuck Theon hope he dies from an STD he got from the slave.
You'd cut your dad in half for slapping you?
There'd be a ton of patricides in the world if this were the case. So to summarize, I'm saying you're full of it, and if you wanted to gain your father's respect, you'd do something daring. You know like take the seat of your father's most hated enemy.
I don't think it's smart that Theon did this, he's cut off from the rest of his father's men and he doesn't have that many in the first place.
I don't think anyone gets killed in the show or the books because they deserve it. Otherwise Joffrey would have been given to the Tickler in the second episode.
Last Hearth
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What made that scene so good was that Theon clearly didn't want to do it. He deep down still want the people in Winterfell to love him as their new lord like they loved Ned Stark. It never even occurred to him to kill Rodrik until Dagmar pressured him into it.
He thought he could just drop in on Wintefell, take over, and everything can be the same as it was before, Bran will be his ward instead of the other way around, Luwin will still serve him, and everyone else goes about business as usual and he could live out his fantasy of being the next Ned Stark.
Ultimately that's why I feel sorry for him, he really is just another guy who gets into something way deeper than he can handle.
He thought he could just drop in on Wintefell, take over, and everything can be the same as it was before, Bran will be his ward instead of the other way around, Luwin will still serve him, and everyone else goes about business as usual and he could live out his fantasy of being the next Ned Stark.
Ultimately that's why I feel sorry for him, he really is just another guy who gets into something way deeper than he can handle.
quite right, but he's in a rather terrible position right now. Robb is sending 300 riders to Winterfell and all he's got to defend the castle is a petty band of pirates. I'm curious to see how he's going to get out of that mess.
kame-sennin
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I read the scene very differently. As has been said on the show, power lies where men believe it resides. Theon's grip on power is extremely tenuous because his men have no confidence in him. Any display of weakness and he's fucked. His first intension was to throw Rodrick in the dungeon, but his first mate, who is the only person in Westeros on his side, saved his ass by pointing out that Rodrick needed to be executed. And Theon wasn't being malicious when he did a poor job cutting off Rodrick's head. If he had the strength and skill to cut cleaner, he would have. Theon wasn't going to perform the execution at all, but Rodrick - who throughout the scene could see straight through Theon - goaded him into it. He referenced Ned Stark's credo. Rodrick knew that bringing up Theon's surrogate father, the man he was in the process of betraying to please his own father, would throw Theon off balance emotionally. Theon's flaw is that he is incredibly easy to manipulate due to his feelings of abandonment. That's what the scene was about in my view.
No there isn't.
That scene was really funny. It was like two kids arguing over the rules of some game.
Brian Fellows
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I'd cut my dad in half right now for fun if I could get away with it.
kame-sennin
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That's what started this mess, but now everything he's doing is survival based. Remember that as soon as he failed to warn Rob about the invasion, which would mean betraying his father to protect the people who kept him as a hostage, he made himself an enemy of the Starks. At that very moment, his only chance of survival was for Balon Greyjoy to succeed, because otherwise, Rob would take his Theon's head. His only options are to help his father win the war, or wait patiently for death.
Yet you didn't see what Catelyn thought of the Greyjoys? Even Jon had a bit of a crappy childhood because Cat didn't accept him, but at least he had Ned as a father-figure and WASN'T traded off from his real parents when he was 10 like Theon was. Stuff like that can do things to a child, things that could lay dormant for a long time until something snaps (in this case, Theon got back home and was treated like a traitor when he thought he'd be getting a hero's welcome).
cuevas. PhD.
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Idk it seemed like John had a much worse time than Theon. Even Theon talked shit to him about being a bastard.
I'm not sure they ate him (although I did think the same), but that wasn't just any fat guy. I think he would be equivalent to the pope in their religion
Joffrey didn't know that and there still wasn't an heir to the throne. that's what the wars were for. He was standing king and was working under the rules of the iron Throne.
He already had Winterfell and every one of his actions made it less likely he would rule Winterfell with any sort of real respect. No one is going to side with him even if Starks lose because. Robb barely got the Houses together for battle and now all he's done is draw attention to Greyjoy. He was only trying to gain apporval of his men which meant nothing.
The Baratheon's were not taken in by the Mad King. Listening to Theon now is to forget that he has on numerous occasions likened his relationship to the Starks as being like family.
No way could I compare the actions of Theon. Based on the show info, there was good reason to battle the targaryns (To the point that they had no one on their side iirc). The last anyone heard from Theon, he was on a mission to get help from his family and then shows up as conquering Winterfell - his home.
For me the scene is Theon's last shot at redemption. He has one more time to act decently and he blows it.
That's not Joffrey's problem. His "father" bestowed the kingship to him. A revolt is a revolt, but if the guy who threw the pie is caught, it makes sense that he gets the ax.
EDIT: Just noticed you said "ATE" lol. Now I'm wondering what happened to the guy. They were pretty hungry...
I was going to say the same thing but I'm apparently fuzzy on season 1 realtionships. To me it seemed that Robb was closer to Theon and the younger siblings loved Jon and no one other than Jon was struggling with their reputation.
TheJollyCorner
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maaaaaaaan.... The Hound fucking owned this episode.
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