This isn't Theon we're talking about. Remember the mirror-image beheadings? I think Jon will be tempted like Theon, but will stick to his oaths.
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This isn't Theon we're talking about. Remember the mirror-image beheadings? I think Jon will be tempted like Theon, but will stick to his oaths.
One thing that irrationally bothered me about that was Arya never got Needle back! C'mon, she named her sword and it was given to her from Jon Snow. Sucks it was taken by some soldier. I was hoping Jaqen was going to get that back to her. Oh well.
cuevas. PhD.
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That's what the older guy told him to do lol...
Jon has underlying issues that are apparent to those around him though. He's so easily manipulated that I can only imagine Mance will have an easy time converting him.
I actually feel sympathetic for Theon after this episode. Nothing he's done has resulted in the way he'd hoped for. The poor guy is losing it, he so dearly wants to be appreciated by someone. I can imagine his death being quite emotional, especially if its at the hands of Robb.
Yeah but the older guy has different intentions. When has Jon ever done what was expected of him? If Jon joins the wildlings it won't be with the intention of acting as an inside source, he's not smart enough for that.
I actually feel sympathetic for Theon after this episode. Nothing he's done has resulted in the way he'd hoped for. The poor guy is losing it, he so dearly wants to be appreciated by someone. I can imagine his death being quite emotional, especially if its at the hands of Robb.
Yeah but the older guy has different intentions. When has Jon ever done what was expected of him? If Jon joins the wildlings it won't be with the intention of acting as an inside source, he's not smart enough for that.
Nizz
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Yeah, I found that scene strange also. Seems she (the whore) was in on it somehow. Loved how Tyrion just went with the flow. And yeah about Cersei. I actually felt a little for her after last week's scene with her and Tyrion. But this week she was back to Queen Bitch mode.
Yes, it's a shame she didn't get her sword back. But hey, at least she got away with Gendry and hot pie(?). What I feel is a shame is how her three choices for assassination seemed wasted in a way. The first one was the test but the second one was out of desperation. For a moment I thought she was going to name Tywin.
Enosh
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I think this episode made Stanis a lot more sympathetic
he has always followed orders, always tried his best, but got screwed over in the end so now he said fuck it, lets try everything I can to get the throne, which he has the best claim for by, like he said, every law in westeros
he has always followed orders, always tried his best, but got screwed over in the end so now he said fuck it, lets try everything I can to get the throne, which he has the best claim for by, like he said, every law in westeros
She said she wanted him dead "right now", and he answered that he couldn't do it. She didn't properly name him, though.
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Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Pretty much. Tywin seemed to interpret Lorch's death as an attempt on his own life, so I would imagine his security would be much, much higher now.
I think that was the point of all the Arya-Tywin scenes - Arya seems smart enough to know that Tywin is the obvious choice to use Jaqen's services on, but she hesitated due to the fact he seemed rational and human enough at the time. Now that he's leaving, she suddenly realizes that Tywin is incredibly dangerous to her interests, but it's too late.
Arya was also basically spying. Since Tywin was clueless about her and felt comfortable divulging various bits of info on battle plans in her vicinity, she could potentially use that to the Starks' advantage later on. i.e. right now she knows that he's headed towards Robb so she's probably trying to set off to warn him.
Don't get what? He hasn't used it because the attack hasn't happened yet.
Who says he won't?
Last Hearth
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The issue wasn't that he couldn't or wouldn't kill Tywin if she named him, heck he looked like he was going to off himself if she insisted, which is why he begged her to unname him.
The issue is the "right now" part, he would probably have to go after Tywin and it might take weeks or months before he can pull it off if he does pull it off. Arya wanted Tywin dead before his army does harm to Robb, which is simply not possible.
The issue is the "right now" part, he would probably have to go after Tywin and it might take weeks or months before he can pull it off if he does pull it off. Arya wanted Tywin dead before his army does harm to Robb, which is simply not possible.
parrotbeak
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IIRC Cersei didn't want him knowing about it and he co-opted the production secretly, so no one is going to be talking about it openly.
It would be under better control with him rather than Joffrey or Cersei.
He may entrust a few with it instead of the whole wall for example.
Bronn is teaching him a lot.
well he didn't mention it a single time.
but probably he will do this way
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sounds good.
Only the tickler was a waste in my mind. The second guy needed to die for what he did to Yoren.
Actually... (not technically a spoiler if you've been paying close attention, but just in case..)
he does reference it at the end of that scene, when he mentions the "pig shit"
I just wanted to chime in and ask if anyone else is feeling that the dialogue and conversations are markedly better this season?
The only slightly over the top conversation I heard this season was the Tyrion and Shae conversation, whereas last season there were a number of conversations and pieces of dialogue that seemed forced, unrealistic and even fairly poor at times.
I feel like the writers have certainly grown from last season, though I still feel this season woul have benefitted from a couple extra episodes.
The only slightly over the top conversation I heard this season was the Tyrion and Shae conversation, whereas last season there were a number of conversations and pieces of dialogue that seemed forced, unrealistic and even fairly poor at times.
I feel like the writers have certainly grown from last season, though I still feel this season woul have benefitted from a couple extra episodes.
I think the dialogue has been great this season, though a lot of people in the other thread seem to think differently. A lot of people think this season is the worst thing in the world lol.
I think we all feel this season could benefit from a 100 extra episodes.
He mentioned it specifically in this episode.
kame-sennin
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This series has way too many set-up episodes. The writers need to get their shit together.
She's Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter.
She might have sent Jamie to the Veil for safekeeping until Littlefinger can arrange a deal with the Lannisters.
She's Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter.
She might have sent Jamie to the Veil for safekeeping until Littlefinger can arrange a deal with the Lannisters.
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From the way it's been presented so far, King's Landing is woefully under-protected, and Stannis has an enormous army behind him. I thought the crew were all behind him, but then the camera lingered on someone giving him a dodgy look while they were on the boat during last night's episode (maybe one of Renly's guys?) which suggests that internal issues might ultimately stop Stannis from succeeding - not any effort by the Lannisters. I also can't see them wiping out Joffrey, Cersei and Tyrion in one fell swoop (although one or more of them could always flee I guess?)
I could see Joffrey and Cersei dying during the siege or in the aftermath but I doubt that Tyrion will die.
Dutch Gronk
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So haaawwwwt! I hope she lives forever!
Have to say, I really liked the episode, everything is setting up for a great ending to the season.
And Davos' son has disapproved of the path that Stanis has chosen since the first time we saw him so the stare doesn't really mean much other than the fact that he still doesn't completely agree with the path Stanis has chosen.
Doubt much will come from it.
Then why show it?
To confuse the clueless.
No matter what happens in the books (I don't have a clue for the record), Tyrion ain't dying in the series.
They foreshadow this with his conversation with Varys saying he is suited for the game and he likes it.
I was looking at the maps and Robb is way closer to the Lannisters than I thought. I was thinking he was headed to Kings Landing first.
Yeah, but their shooting schedule is so tight they said it's impossible to get a season per year with any more than 10 episodes with an epic show like this
also god I love reading all you guys predictions. it's like experiencing the series for the first time again all over
++vicariously living through GAF
Nizz
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Nothing would make me happier to see that little shit get his.
I really enjoyed the conversation Tyrion and Varys had. With Varys telling him (paraphrasing)
"I've heard whispers that Danearys Targaryen lives and she has dragons. Once they were fully grown, no one could hide". And Tyrion telling him "one game at a time my friend". They seem good together.
Nothing would make me happier to see that little shit get his.
I think the showrunners must concur, because so far they have not missed a single opportunity to have someone slap the fuck out of Joffrey
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Every time I see Tyrion lay the smack down on Joffrey I always have a smile on my face. I love it.
Every time I see Tyrion lay the smack down on Joffrey I always have a smile on my face. I love it.
So far he was slapped by Tyrion twice or three times, and once by Cersei right? Did anyone else slap him?
We'll need to build a "Joffrey gets slapped" montage. The actor who plays him has probably the most slappable face in world history, so it fits.
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Well aren't you pretentious? You really expect me to remember every single face in the show? When did his son last have a line in the show?
Nizz
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I believe that's the count so far.
Something else about the show, I'm kind of disappointed in how Ghost has seemingly abandoned Jon. He's completely disappeared. :/ It would be so awesome if Arya ran into her wolf as she's on the road.
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God fucking damn Oona is hot.
Oh, yeah, great episode too. I guess.
Oh, yeah, great episode too. I guess.
Grimm Fandango
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We already talked about it in the thread, Mance isn't Benjen.
VanillaPMP
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He is likely not happy that Stannis heeded Davos' advice to not bring Melisandre with them, as he was depicted as being a fanatic during one of the earlier episodes in season 2.
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