Eh, I don't think that's going to happen. As far as I can remember, we haven't seen Casterly Rock yet, but I imagine that it's got some sort of defenses, so I'm guessing Robb won't be able to just walk over and take it. Even if he does, he's got the combined Lannister/Tyrell force to contend with now, which would make actually holding onto Casterly Rock pretty tricky.
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Eh, I don't think that's going to happen. As far as I can remember, we haven't seen Casterly Rock yet, but I imagine that it's got some sort of defenses, so I'm guessing Robb won't be able to just walk over and take it. Even if he does, he's got the combined Lannister/Tyrell force to contend with now, which would make actually holding onto Casterly Rock pretty tricky.
No clue, but Tywin certainly seemed to think he might
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I am not sure exactly where Casterly Rock is located but wouldn't it make more sense that he was worried about Robb taking Harrenhal? He did leave a garrison there commanded by The Mountain.
I guess I should rephrase.. there's nothing saying that Robb won't attack on Casterly Rock, just that I think it wouldn't go too well if he does. Given that news travels by bird, there's going to be a delay before he even hears about the whole mess with Stannis.
Still, wasn't Robb's overall goal to kill Joffrey and free his sisters? I had always assumed that he was planning on marching straight to King's Landing.
Even before they showed subtle hints like him flinching when they moved a torch in front of his face. No idea how you would miss all of that combined (even w/o remembering where his facial scars come from).
However, I thought his "fuck it" speech was also due to him being drunk.
I mean, even with his fear of fire (and was that really his first fight that involved fire?) he would not just say "fuck the king" to the king he is sworn to protect? That's basically treason and they probably let him only go because he's the fucking Hound
In the first season he even kills the butcher's boy with no remorse because he was told to do it.
Unless by now he simply grew tired of being treated shitty, I guess there were some hints for that as well this season.
It came off as mostly due to his traumatic fear of fire, though his probable loathing Joffrey doesn't hurt. That's a guy the Hound must find utterly inadequate at king and Joffrey is also someone who never hesitates to treat him like shit ("Dog"). Joffrey also treats Sansa like shit and there have been various overt and subtle hints throughout the series that the Hound cares for her.
But the fires raging around him greatly precipitated the Hound wanting to get the hell out of dodge. There is a clear intent in the way the scenes progressed - not only does he make a couple of comments regarding the fire beforehand, but literally right before he turns and decides to go off and have some wine, there are some POV shots with burning and screaming men in slow-mo with the battlefield aflame and the Hound looking understandably fearful, at which point he's like "yeah, nope."
Robb has no idea what the fuck he's doing. If Stannis and 100k+ couldn't take Joffrey, what chance does he have?
He had a whole rant about how Robb was too close to Casterly Rock and wouldn't be afraid to attack it
Yes, I always assumed the same. I'm not sure what attacking Casterly Rock would accomplish, especially with the Tyrell situation and the Lannister's war with Stannis over
kame-sennin
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Sorry to get all history nerd about this, but when Hannibal Barca attacked Rome, he travelled around the Italian peninsula defeating one Roman army after another for years. He wasn't beaten until the Roman general Scipio launched a counter invasion of Carthage, Hannibal's home. When Scipio invaded Carthage, Hannibal was forced to return and defend his home. Scipio was fully prepared for the battle and defeated Hannibal.
Getting back to GoT, we've seen this idea play out quite a bit. The lords of the seven kingdoms have to maintain power in their homelands for political purposes and to maintain supply lines ("there must always be a Stark in Winterfell"). No lord would stand by while the seat of their house was being invaded. Rob has been greatly distracted by the attack on Winterfell and almost left the front to handle the situation himself. Tywin has the same obligation to Casterly Rock. If Rob wants to defeat the Lannisters, it may be more effective, and certainly easier, to attack their unguarded homeland than to lay siege to King's Landing, which is the most heavily fortified city in Westeros and has never been taken. If he can take Casterly Rock, Rob can force the Lannisters into battle on his own terms. If he defeats Tywin's army and holds Casterly Rock, then Joffrey has no more access to the money and resources of his house, making him easier to unseat.
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So apparently Eddard comes back wielding Mjölnir in the season finale.
I think they may be straying too far from the source material here...
I think they may be straying too far from the source material here...
Obviously you don't understand the concept of TV adaption.
IAmtheFMan
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Let's be honest. That'd be all sorts of bad-ass.
Indeed, it is quite a smart move as now Robb has at least a day delay in following the Lannister troops south. And with The Mountain still at the original drop Tywin probably hopes to be back before Robb can conquer it. I just hope Robb defies the odds and takes down the castle.
So apparently Eddard comes back wielding Mjölnir in the season finale.
I think they may be straying too far from the source material here...
DAMMIT people is it so hard to follow a few rules!!!!???
lol
Sigh.
I KNEW some one would post something like this.. But it still made me laugh out loud on my bus.. Now people are staring at me
Al-ibn Kermit
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He was talking to advisers about battle strategies and even sharing anecdotes about teaching his son to read. There's no way he would do that in front of somebody who he actually thought was a Stark.
Apparently only a couple guards are at the gate at night, so it wasn't exactly a high security prison. Arya definitely didn't get the same amount of personal attention that Sansa is getting from her captors.
I would think Gregor Clegane would just be left with a skeleton crew at Harrenhal. It's not clear yet if the Tyrells will fight against the Starks for the Lannisters, so even if Tywin managed to get back to Harrenhal, he may not have much troops to bring back depending on how many men he lost to Stannis.
Some people say that Robb should take over Casterly Rock but tha is a totally meaningless city to capture if your terminal goal is to take King's Landing, since Casterly Rock is way out of the way to the west while Harrenhal is directly on the path to King's Landing. So you actually have to capture Harrrenhal to get to King's Landing, while taking something like Casterly Rock would leave all the lands that Robb has taken over so far totally exposed. Tywin would be able to march all the way up to Winterfell if he wanted to.
I think we'll see Robb go for Harrenhal. It's the only logical choice. Of course if he gets news about his brothers being dead/on the run, he'll probably march a portion of his army back to Winterfell himself. Delaying him even longer.
One thing I'm wondering is how many men does Stannis actually have left? He lost a lot with that initial wildfire explosion and then he predicted that "thousands" would die trying to take the mud gate. It does sound like he still has a large amount of forces though, and could still take King's Landing if he and Robb have a proper alliance. Of course it's hard to imagine Catelyn/Brienne letting that happen.
Funky Papa
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After this Davos can only be alive, if only to keep being tortured by the writers and hate the red bitch even more fiercely.
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After this Davos can only be alive, if only to keep being tortured by the writers and hate the red bitch even more fiercely.
She would not have any say in it as Rob is running the show now. The problem is that Catelyn has set her self up as she promised not to interferre with Brienne's revenge. That's going to bite her in the arse if Rob tries to get cosy with Stannis.
Did Stannis escape? I though he was captured at the end of the episode.
I think that was his men dragging him away from the battle.
Ahh cool. That leaves everything still up in the air.
Great, just one episode left and then we have to wait for a year..
Enosh
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if davos is alive and his son isn't...
oh boy, I wouldn't want to be Tyrion
Except for Sibel Kekilli. She actually won some awards for her acting.
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Well yeah, but Kekilli has been a full time actor for years, and tried to distance herself from her porno past.
I don't understand how Tyrion could sustain a wound like that without dying? Slashed across two parts of his face.
I think he'll still be alive though. Just so we can see the reactions from Cersei, Joffrey and Tywin when they realize Tyrion kept the mens hopes alive and lead the battle. Not to mention that he also did wipe out quite a bit of Stannis' fleet.
I think he'll still be alive though. Just so we can see the reactions from Cersei, Joffrey and Tywin when they realize Tyrion kept the mens hopes alive and lead the battle. Not to mention that he also did wipe out quite a bit of Stannis' fleet.
Looking at Robb's path it looks like he's trying to conquer as many holdings as possible and cut kings landing off.
Having Casterly also shuts off the gold supply. Retaking Harranhal would be easier and better positioned strategically. He could then march left or right as needed.
Yeah thats what I was thinking too. The wound doesn't make sense to me. He'd surely have to have either a deep cut across his whole face diagonally or have had his whole head cut off..
Funky Papa
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He moved/turned his face at the right moment. The slash went from his temple to the opposite cheeck. It was a NASTY cut.
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Yup, actually at the time nobody knew that she was a porno actress. She was pretty unkown before she played in Head On/ Gegen die Wand. That movie won a shitload of awards and people started delving into her past. Then the porn video's of her started popping up and it became this big scandal thing (atleast in Turkey). But she turned it around and has become a respectable actress. Even in Turkey people don't care anymore seeing she has a leading role comming up in a Turkish movie.
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He moved/turned his face at the right moment. The slash went from his temple to the opposite cheeck. It was a NASTY cut.
He better not be dead! I will write a super angry email if he is.
Funky Papa
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Not worth it. Trust me.
Majmun
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GOOD GOD. The first two are nasty pro's. Dayyum. O_O
ElectricBlue187
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Episode 8 I didnt feel was all that great but now after 9 i could not be more hyped for the finale
Funky Papa
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I just realised that Brienne comes from a noble house, probably aligned with Renly Baratheon. Since Stannis and Renly's armies were combined after the shadow baby incident, I wonder if Brienne's little adventure has not put her house at risk.
Shit sucks.
Shit sucks.
Funky Papa
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Undoubtedly he hasn't figured out who Arya really is otherwise he wouldn't have just "left her with the Mountain." In fact, he likely doesn't even realize Arya has been missing. King's Landing may have tried to keep that a secret as much as possible (they don't want Robb to know that they don't have both girls), and even Tyrion didn't know until he arrived in KL.
I'm anticipating a scene next episode where Tywin is finally informed by Cersei that Arya is missing, and then realization dawns upon him.
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I've been trying to figure out who the other female extra was in the scene with Bronn and the boys, but it seems like she was just an extra, after all, who was barely onscreen.
I was thinking the same thing. I'm just trying to remember if he mentioned something in the past about her missing and how stupid Joffrey was around the time Jaime was caught.
Littlefinger knows they're gone too. He may not know where that batch of prisoners came from as he likely doesn't know that Joffrey had all Baratheon bastards killed and so he may not know that his men were used to go after the Wall convoy.
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So do you guys think the final scene in this season can top the dragon ending from last season? I have no idea how they can top that.
I really don't think it'll top Season 1's ending in terms of impact and eye-candy, but I'm sure it'll still be memorable.
Sickboy007
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The only way to top that is with another dragon ending (and Emilia Clarke finally getting nekkid)
Yeah, I think they might end the season with the halls of the undying and show something wicked. There's a preserved corpse of a grown dragon in there and Dany will get to spazz with her eyebrows like no tomorrow.
Poor wording. I was talking about Tywin.
Wasn't she already naked in the very first episode in season 1?
Sickboy007
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She was never naked in this season, i kept tabs on it.
fifasnipe2224
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Wait....... I think she was. I recall her going into some type of hot bath and we saw her back side.
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