coopolon said:The problem is she's a woman with an agenda who has no credibility (775 million) citing anonymous sources to bash a company she's known to dislike. You don't see any reason why some of us would have concerns about trusting this article?
No people don't like anonymous sources period. Do you believe all those rumors about games as well that come from anonymous sources?Jexhius said:Very few games journalists like Activision, or so it seems.
Many others seem to have fairly low credibility.
But people only seem to be going all "journalistic integrity/credibility" over this article because it's by her. I just haven't seen a similar level of scepticism applied to all of games journalism (not that such close attention would be a bad thing).
chogidogs said:you can't blame activision. i heard it cost 775 million dollars to add females to modern games.
Zoe said:Exactly.
As I said earlier, the focus should be on drawing more girls to gaming.
george_us said:If you're talking about merely placing female protagonists in genres made for and dominated by males i.e. FPS, then no I don't they wouldn't be expanding their market. If you're talking about creating games in genres specifically DO cater to females then I agree with you 100%.
Pimpbaa said:That's not going to happen until we get more women in the industry. Guys are going to design games they want to play.
Jexhius said:So because Leigh talks to a source they automatically become invalid? Now who has a crazy bias :lol[/suore]
Not at all. But Ms. Alexander has proven to both not be reliable and incredibly biased both on this topic and against this company, so if she has reliable sources, please name them.
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It's hilarious that people slam her article because they accuse her of looking through some feminist-centric lens, but then look out through their own anti-Alexander lens and ignore perfectly reasonable claims.
But people only seem to be going all "journalistic integrity/credibility" over this article because it's by her. I just haven't seen a similar level of scepticism applied to all of games journalism (not that such close attention would be a bad thing).
That's a separate issue for me, I think. I want more for female protagonists for my own personal tastes, not necessarily because I feel it'll recruit more female gamers into playing action-heavy genres.Zoe said:Exactly.
As I said earlier, the focus should be on drawing more girls to gaming. I couldn't care less if Master Chief was a woman--I'm not going to be playing Halo anyway.
2San said:From the things I've read about her she doesn't come off as a good source. If a gamedev himself would have said you might have point. I don't go for the whole anonymous source thing.
coopolon said:When I read news articles, before deciding whether or not I believe I am being told, I think about who wrote it, what information they had access too, etc. before accepting it as valid and allowing it color my opinions on things.
coopolon said:because I have no idea if she's telling the truth.
2San said:Even then Activision is just doing what they think is the best course of action to sell those games. I can hardly fault them for that. I'm just pointing out this isn't as big of a problem as you guys make it out to be. Since in the end of the they you don't really care.
Go ahead and not buy their games. If enough people follow your path, Activision might change their ways.
shidoshi said:Except that Heather (from SH3) was a failure as a female character.
Jexhius said:I'd hope that even if she was extremely biased in one direction, she wouldn't go as far to outright lie.
smh at the people in this thread who think "feminist" is a negative quailty, by the way, as though the OP was some sort of Dworkinesque screed or the SCUM manifesto.
badcrumble said:smh at the people in this thread who think "feminist" is a negative quailty
truly101 said:I thought the point of the article was that Activision tends to dictate the development of their games based on focus testing and market analysis, to an extreme degree. This particular example is female characters. Currently they don't sell like they used to in the late 90's early 2000's, so Activision is hamfisting developers that want a female character, to change to a male lead. Knowing Activision, this is not surprising. I don't see it as some smear campaign or crazy pro-feminism agenda, but that is just me.
This is kind of an odd argument.george_us said:Aren't there more girl gamers than guys? The majority of gamers aren't guys, the majority of gamers who play games in "hardcore" genres like FPS, RTS, Racing, competitive, are guys and I don't think putting female protagonists in games where you're shooting and stabbing people in the face are going to make females want to play those games. I don't believe genres like FPS and the like will ever catch on with females simply because they're not really built for them.
Oxymoron said:No one in the industry knows how to make female leads that aren't cookie cutter tough girl. That can change.
there's no such thing as a "games journalist"Jexhius said:Very few games journalists like Activision, or so it seems.
Many others seem to have fairly low credibility.
But people only seem to be going all "journalistic integrity/credibility" over this article because it's by her. I just haven't seen a similar level of scepticism applied to all of games journalism (not that such close attention would be a bad thing).
Big Ass Ramp said:does it really matter that there aren't any female heroes in Acti games? It wouldn't bother me as a guy if there weren't any male heroes, and it wouldn't bother me as a white guy if they weren't white. I think the writer is a little over-sensitive.
Oh give me a fucking break.Gravijah said:How would you really know, since you are both white and male, and don't have to worry about being in the minority?
Guy LeDouche said:there's no such thing as a "games journalist"
it's not a real thing.
Gravijah said:How would you really know, since you are both white and male, and don't have to worry about being in the minority?
I'd say it's because her public screw-up was particularly recent and particularly taints this article given the target. I know the unprofessional-ism finger has been pointed at others but I'd argue that she basically hit the Trent Lott Target, and that we expect low-brow idiocy out of 1UP but at least some restraint from Gamasutra writers.Jexhius said:But people only seem to be going all "journalistic integrity/credibility" over this article because it's by her. I just haven't seen a similar level of scepticism applied to all of games journalism (not that such close attention would be a bad thing).
Prime crotch said:There's nothing wrong with being pro-feminism.
I dunno man, I haven't seen many journalists use a failed game (Mirror's Edge) a character long past being relevant (Lara Croft) and an informal twitter poll to bolster their arguments.Jexhius said:I just haven't seen a similar level of scepticism applied to all of games journalism (not that such close attention would be a bad thing).
Dance In My Blood said:Oh look, it's Leigh Alexander.
Pimpbaa said:It's hard not to when so many of them have an agenda to make men feel bad about their sexuality.
some people may try to pretend, but those people are wrong, and if they self-identify as a "games journalist" they have inferiority complex issues stemming from the fact that "games journalist" is not a real thing.Jexhius said:Says you!
Pimpbaa said:It's hard not to when so many of them have an agenda to make men feel bad about their sexuality.
oh godPimpbaa said:It is when you have been neutered in the process.
ahahaha what the hellPimpbaa said:It is when you have been neutered in the process.
Your posts are so relentlessly awful.Pimpbaa said:It is when you have been neutered in the process.
badcrumble said:I think what's weird in the movie industry is that there's an almost entirely separate ecosystem for black-targeted movies (Tyler Perry stuff, etc.) from the whiter Hollywood ecosystem, with different writers/directors/casts et cetera, and the fact that this exists says that mainstream Hollywood isn't doing a very good job of catering to anything but white people.
When we get a Marvel or DC superhero movie with a black lead, I may change my mind.
The movie industry is much, much better about its treatment of female characters and protagonists, though, for the most part, even if it's not perfect.
Dude Abides said:Did you read the article or the OP? She addressed the banal and obvious "Activision is just following the market" argument that the armchair David Ricardos are making.
Also BladeElFly said:Steel.
badcrumble said:When we get a Marvel or DC superhero movie with a black lead, I may change my mind.
The movie industry is much, much better about its treatment of female characters and protagonists, though, for the most part, even if it's not perfect.
HK-47 said:Yes I'm sure you are an expert on feminism and bothered to go beyond the stereotype, Mr I Jizz at the Sign of CG Tits. You definitely project the aura of someone knowledgeable about this sort of thing.
all of these women are castrating mebadcrumble said:oh god
you're one of those
Stumpokapow said:Does anyone remember when GTA: San Andreas was announced and the collective reaction on GAF (as well as elsewhere on the internet) leant heavily towards "I don't like the main character. It's not racist, I just can't 'relate'. I can't 'see myself in his shoes'"?
Stumpokapow said:13 million sellers in the last 15 years. The earliest NPD numbers we have are from about 1997, give or take. Pretty shitty. Of course I don't have full PS360 numbers or even full PS2 numbers, but I don't think anything else is close. I know Cooking Mama Wii is past 800k.
Dresden said:Your posts are so relentlessly awful.
*GTA4 is announced starring a Slavic immigrant who is a former soldier of brutal Eastern European conflicts*Stumpokapow said:Does anyone remember when GTA: San Andreas was announced and the collective reaction on GAF (as well as elsewhere on the internet) leant heavily towards "I don't like the main character. It's not racist, I just can't 'relate'. I can't 'see myself in his shoes'"?
*shakes head*
I think he's doing this as retail only with non-compilation games, but yeah, it actually did phenomenally well.coopolon said:Not that it really effects your point, but did Portal really not sell a million between XBL, Orange Box on 360 and PS3, and Steam?